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I think that was Trump's goal. I believe McConnell was more realistic.RunningMn9 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:36 am That was the GOP’s goal with the judicial takeover. Trump’s goal was a judiciary that would be loyal to whatever bullshit he wants.
It's this and more. The most damage was done at the *appellate* level and up level. Maybe these cases make it there or maybe they don't but the record on the pre-election cases was mixed at best if you want to say that Trump had little effect on the election legally. The Roberts Court in particular seemed to take a new position championed by Kavanaugh/Alito/Thomas (and Gorsuch to a lesser extent) taking very leave it to the States views on the issues of gerrymandering, voting rights, and more. Which will only exacerbate the EC problem in the long-term. Gerrymandering will be the GOP plan to get the House back with re-districting coming up. The lesson GOP legislatures will take from this election is that they have the freedom to make it harder to vote and especially in areas important to the Democratic coalition. For example, drive-thru voting in Texas which they furiously backed away from for election day to keep the case out of the appellate level. Expect them to restrict mail-in and absentee voting. Expect them to aggressively purge voter rolls, etc. And Congress will not be able to pass a new Voter's Right Act to fix the damage.stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:30 amThe takeover wasn't to win this election - it was to set precedents for years to come. We won't know if it truly worked for years, but there is no reason to think it won't.Little Raven wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:19 am Trump's much touted "takeover" of the judiciary is bearing no fruit.Federal judges have already begun to toss last-minute lawsuits brought by President Donald Trump's campaign, which has turned to attempting to litigate a victory as its electoral hopes dwindle.
The campaign, which has falsely alleged that Democrats are trying to "steal" the election by counting all the votes cast, has so far filed lawsuits in three states: Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Within hours, judges had thrown out the suits in Georgia and Michigan. The Supreme Court has already declined once to rule on the Pennsylvania case.
On Thursday, the campaign announced its intent to file a fourth suit in Nevada. It has also vowed to request a recount in Wisconsin, where Democratic nominee Joe Biden has what appears to be an unassailable 20,000-vote lead.
Election law experts called the suits frivolous and unlikely to make a difference.
"They're totally small potatoes," Jon Sherman, senior counsel at the Fair Elections Center, told Salon. "Each has been rejected so far, and honestly, I'd rather not give them any oxygen."
And more importantly, Trump let McConnell and his allies pick the judges. So they're overwhelmingly judges that support McConnell's goals more than ones that support Trump's goals (though there's some overlap, to be sure).stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:37 amI think that was Trump's goal. I believe McConnell was more realistic.RunningMn9 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:36 am That was the GOP’s goal with the judicial takeover. Trump’s goal was a judiciary that would be loyal to whatever bullshit he wants.
This is where Trump's transactional worldview hurt him immensely. He doesn't have the mental capacity to realize that smart people at that level adopt much more sophisticated models to achieve the results they seek. He complained but they gave him all sorts of breaks to escape accountability. They accepted his emergency appeals, etc. That was easy. Smashing glass all over the ground to save his Presidency. That isn't in the cards.El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:03 amAnd more importantly, Trump let McConnell and his allies pick the judges. So they're overwhelmingly judges that support McConnell's goals more than ones that support Trump's goals (though there's some overlap, to be sure).
Moderates everywhere broke heavily for Biden. Probably near realistic maximum levels - something like 65-70%.El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:35 am FWIW I was a poll watcher in New Hampshire (Portsmouth Ward 3, to be specific). Mostly uneventful, and while there were Republican challengers there they weren't aggressive and didn't really do or challenge anything. Far as I am aware there wasn't much of a GOP suppression / challenge effort in NH.
As an aside, not totally sure why NH wasn't on the radar and wasn't close this year. Biden won it by ~ 7%, while Clinton squeaked by there with a 0.3% margin (literally less than 3,000 votes). Did NH get more sane over the past 4 years? Was there less voter suppression efforts there?
Also looking back at the results again, something like 7% of the vote went to third parties. Guessing Biden cleaned up the strong majority of those votes.malchior wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:49 amModerates everywhere broke heavily for Biden. Probably near realistic maximum levels - something like 65-70%.El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:35 am FWIW I was a poll watcher in New Hampshire (Portsmouth Ward 3, to be specific). Mostly uneventful, and while there were Republican challengers there they weren't aggressive and didn't really do or challenge anything. Far as I am aware there wasn't much of a GOP suppression / challenge effort in NH.
As an aside, not totally sure why NH wasn't on the radar and wasn't close this year. Biden won it by ~ 7%, while Clinton squeaked by there with a 0.3% margin (literally less than 3,000 votes). Did NH get more sane over the past 4 years? Was there less voter suppression efforts there?
Except for the libertarians who are just as irrelevant and in this case contradictory as ever.El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:54 amAlso looking back at the results again, something like 7% of the vote went to third parties. Guessing Biden cleaned up the strong majority of those votes.malchior wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:49 amModerates everywhere broke heavily for Biden. Probably near realistic maximum levels - something like 65-70%.El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:35 am FWIW I was a poll watcher in New Hampshire (Portsmouth Ward 3, to be specific). Mostly uneventful, and while there were Republican challengers there they weren't aggressive and didn't really do or challenge anything. Far as I am aware there wasn't much of a GOP suppression / challenge effort in NH.
As an aside, not totally sure why NH wasn't on the radar and wasn't close this year. Biden won it by ~ 7%, while Clinton squeaked by there with a 0.3% margin (literally less than 3,000 votes). Did NH get more sane over the past 4 years? Was there less voter suppression efforts there?
It's all the Starr quote.Fretmute wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:47 pm There is a zero percent chance that Trump wrote a sentence with the word morass in it.
Yeah, and even going back and looking at the thread (the link is missing one tweet about the Legislatures making the rules), I really can't figure out what his complaint is.
His complaint is that he's not going to be President for much longer.stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:52 pmYeah, and even going back and looking at the thread (the link is missing one tweet about the Legislatures making the rules), I really can't figure out what his complaint is.
Well, yeah. I meant specifically what Starr was complaining about.Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:56 pmHis complaint is that he's not going to be President for much longer.stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:52 pmYeah, and even going back and looking at the thread (the link is missing one tweet about the Legislatures making the rules), I really can't figure out what his complaint is.
That makes more sense. My point stands!Isgrimnur wrote:It's all the Starr quote.Fretmute wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:47 pm There is a zero percent chance that Trump wrote a sentence with the word morass in it.
I think any list of horsemen of the Democractic Apocalypse is incomplete without Roger Ailes.malchior wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:37 pm Now the shenanigans. Quoting Ken Starr. Blech. One of the four horseman of the Democratic apocalypse.
Here are my other horsemen - if so inclined to name your own! Mitch McConnell, Newt Gingrich, and Karl Rove.
He probably knows and doesn't care. That message is for his followers to feed their rage with.
I'll accept it, but it's worth noting that Philly numbers reflect the fact that Philadelphia universities (Penn, Drexel, Temple, La Salle, St. Joseph's, etc) have sent their students home this semester. They're voting in other counties or other states.
Sweet, can't wait for that!Vladimir Putin said today about Hillary and Dems: "In my opinion, it is humiliating. One must be able to lose with dignity." So true!
Is there some political motive? Tennessee vote count has been over for days.Daehawk wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 pm Post Offices are being attacked now. They better hurry and get this shit over with.
https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/42877466/7 ... -nashville
7 Post Offices vandalized, burglarized around Nashville
I saw it as the cult of deplorables attacking the USPS due to them thinking the mail in votes lost the election for them by cheating.Holman wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:59 amIs there some political motive? Tennessee vote count has been over for days.Daehawk wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 pm Post Offices are being attacked now. They better hurry and get this shit over with.
https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/42877466/7 ... -nashville
7 Post Offices vandalized, burglarized around Nashville
Seven post offices in one night sounds like a scheme to grab arriving social security checks or something.
VP casts deciding votes on ties.Jaymann wrote:If the Senate is split 50-50, does the VP cast the deciding vote on the majority leader?
So if we get to 50-50 Moscow Mitch is out!Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:08 pmVP casts deciding votes on ties.Jaymann wrote:If the Senate is split 50-50, does the VP cast the deciding vote on the majority leader?
Maybe it’s today’s euphoria talking, but I don’t feel terribly concerned about a violent reaction from MAGAs.Blackhawk wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:55 pm Now the winner is declared. Now's when I go from nervous to tense. Now we see the reaction to Trump losing.
It will be interesting to see the fundraising totals for the two GA runoffs.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:08 pmVP casts deciding votes on ties.Jaymann wrote:If the Senate is split 50-50, does the VP cast the deciding vote on the majority leader?
And not only that, but honestly, if I were a Republican, I would hardly be wracked with despair right now. (and indeed, a quick glance at National Review suggests most Republicans are not) Sure, they lost the Presidency. But everyone (including me!) expected the GOP to be absolutely demolished....and that didn't happen. They won the statehouse race, did surprisingly well in the House, and have a decent shot at keeping the Senate. Perhaps most importantly, they finally started significantly expanding into minority populations, which is huge. They have some significant problems to overcome, no doubt, but living with Biden for 4 years and taking another shot in 2024 has to sound better than picking up a rifle for 99.999% of Republicans.YellowKing wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:16 pmThe vast majority of people understand elections and they abide by the results.