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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:29 pm
by Skinypupy
In other news, Mike Lee continues to be an utter embarrassment to the state of Utah

Sen. Mike Lee says KSL.com is too liberal, wants the LDS Church to sell it.
Sen. Mike Lee has become something of a media critic in recent weeks.

On his personal Facebook page, Lee has repeatedly criticized KSL.com and The Associated Press, attacking them for “bias” and inaccurate reporting.

He has gone so far as to call for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to sell the news website, creating the hashtag #sellKSL.

It appears the sustained campaign began Aug. 15, when the senator ripped into KSL.com for a tweet about an AP story. The tweet read “President Donald Trump’s younger brother, Robert Trump, a businessman known for an even keel that seemed almost incompatible with the family name, died after being hospitalized in New York, the president said in a statement.”

That tweet comes almost verbatim from the AP story. That story also supported that statement with quotes from the president, including this paragraph: “Donald Trump once described his younger brother as ‘much quieter and easygoing than I am.’”

Lee called the KSL tweet “appalling” and said KSL was “spiking some sort of political football.” He finished the Facebook post calling for the church to sell KSL.
For the record, KSL is about as conservative as you would expect from a Mormon-owned news organization. Only those completely down the MAGA/OANN derphole (like Lee) would ever think otherwise.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:32 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Maybe he knows someone interested in buying it and wants to depress the price. This campaign certainly does that if it gets any momentum.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:46 am
by Skinypupy
I typically find myself avoiding 9/11 on social media, as I've noticed a shift towards extreme jingoism and veiled (or often not-so-veiled) anti Muslim sentiments over the last few years. Doubly so this year.

Watching the same MAGA crowd that talks about the sacrifices they are willing to make to prevent another terrorist attack that killed 3,000, yet cries "TYRANNY!" and refuses to make even the slightest sacrifice to help prevent the deaths of 200,000 Americans (and counting) feels like the height of hypocrisy.

YMMV.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:59 am
by malchior
Skinypupy wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:46 am I typically find myself avoiding 9/11 on social media, as I've noticed a shift towards extreme jingoism and veiled (or often not-so-veiled) anti Muslim sentiments over the last few years. Doubly so this year.

Watching the same MAGA crowd that talks about the sacrifices they are willing to make to prevent another terrorist attack that killed 3,000, yet cries "TYRANNY!" and refuses to make even the slightest sacrifice to help prevent the deaths of 200,000 Americans (and counting) feels like the height of hypocrisy.

YMMV.
I'm right here with you on this one. I saw a few posts this morning and I just about threw up my hands at this aspect.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:52 pm
by Isgrimnur
BI
California is making it easier for formerly incarcerated firefighters to go professional, with a new law enabling nonviolent offenders to have their criminal records expunged.

For decades, liberal California has relied on its massive prison population to fight wildfires. Detained men and women are trained on how to fight blazes, sleeping in camps, and earning a couple of dollars a day. But until now they were largely unable to put that experience to use once free.

In a statement on Friday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he was signing a bill, AB 2147, to fix that.
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Many fire departments reject candidates with a troubled legal past. Under AB 2147, formerly incarcerated people can petition a county court to have that past excised.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:01 am
by malchior
As Antifa Rumors Spread in Oregon, Residents Defied Evacuation Orders
NY Times wrote:Ralph Mitchell’s neighbors were fleeing. Ash rained from the sky. And outside Mr. Mitchell’s natural-medicine business, a police cruiser announced on loudspeaker: “This has been declared a life-threatening fire emergency. You need to evacuate the city.”

Mr. Mitchell was having none of it. He was staying.

“There’s already reports that antifa’s in town, going down the streets looting,” he said, echoing widely discredited rumors on Twitter and Facebook that left-wing activists had been systematically setting blazes. “I’m getting texts.”

Every natural disaster has its holdouts. But the political fear-stoking that accompanied a tumultuous summer of racial-justice protests in Oregon has become a volatile new complication in the catastrophic wildfires that pushed closer to Portland on Friday, as authorities try to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people.

Law enforcement officials across the state said they had been swamped with calls about social media misinformation and begged people to “STOP. SPREADING. RUMORS!” In the line of fire, the swirl of rumors actually helped goad some people into defying evacuation orders so they could stay and guard their homes.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:50 am
by dbt1949
I don't know why the news media keeps reporting on stupid/bad things Trump says. Those of us who hate him can't hate any more and those who love him don't care.
Are there any undecideds anymore?

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:07 am
by malchior
dbt1949 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:50 am I don't know why the news media keeps reporting on stupid/bad things Trump says. Those of us who hate him can't hate any more and those who love him don't care.
Are there any undecideds anymore?
It comes down to how many people have been apolitical or alienated enough to not pay attention at all. I can't help but feel like that is a small number but it is hard to say.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:44 am
by Kraken
dbt1949 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:50 am I don't know why the news media keeps reporting on stupid/bad things Trump says. Those of us who hate him can't hate any more and those who love him don't care.
Are there any undecideds anymore?
I recently read that 3% of voters are undecided or persuadable. If true, that's enough to change the outcome.

Nothing can shake the 40-42% who approve of trump, and they're already highly motivated, but the 50+% who disapprove are less enthusiastic. Democrats need to make sure that number stays high and those people vote.

Myself, I can't believe 40% of Americans look around and think "Yup, things are good. Let's keep doing this."

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:48 am
by malchior
Kraken wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:44 amMyself, I can't believe 40% of Americans look around and think "Yup, things are good. Let's keep doing this."
That's the problem. Not enough people listened to these folks and realized we had this massive cancer growing here. They've been manipulated into a cult by the very people who made their lives worse. In some ways we have to understand they are victims too.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:42 am
by Ralph-Wiggum
Kraken wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:44 am
dbt1949 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:50 am I don't know why the news media keeps reporting on stupid/bad things Trump says. Those of us who hate him can't hate any more and those who love him don't care.
Are there any undecideds anymore?
I recently read that 3% of voters are undecided or persuadable. If true, that's enough to change the outcome.
Sure, but at this time in 2016 that number was in the teens. I feel much more comfortable with 3 or 4% undecided with a decent Biden lead than 10% undecided and the same lead.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:44 pm
by Kurth
Kraken wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:44 am
dbt1949 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:50 am I don't know why the news media keeps reporting on stupid/bad things Trump says. Those of us who hate him can't hate any more and those who love him don't care.
Are there any undecideds anymore?
I recently read that 3% of voters are undecided or persuadable. If true, that's enough to change the outcome.

Nothing can shake the 40-42% who approve of trump, and they're already highly motivated, but the 50+% who disapprove are less enthusiastic. Democrats need to make sure that number stays high and those people vote.

Myself, I can't believe 40% of Americans look around and think "Yup, things are good. Let's keep doing this."
Well, come on down to Jacksonville, FL, where I lost count of the “Law Enforcement for Trump” lawn signs this morning. It’s our first full day down here, and the political climate couldn’t be more different than our town outside of Portland. I expected it, but to see it up close is still something to behold . . .

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:04 pm
by Daehawk

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:40 pm
by Isgrimnur
Texas
U.S. District Judge Janis Jack said Friday she will once again hold Texas health and human services officials in contempt of court, a punishment that may come with hefty fines, for failing to make progress toward foster care reforms she ordered to be implemented last year.

Jack indicated she would give the state about a month to make improvements before deciding whether to assess fines of up to several thousand dollars per day.

If finalized, the contempt finding would mark the second time in 10 months that Jack has punished state officials for being out of compliance with her demands, which are the culmination of a decade-long class-action lawsuit that brought the state under federal court supervision. Her announcement followed a two-day hearing, held by video conference, in which she frequently chided some of Texas’ top child welfare bureaucrats.
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The hearing focused on more than a dozen of Jack’s orders, which required state officials to beef up oversight of residential facilities that house kids, improve the timeliness of state investigations into abuse and neglect in foster homes, and build software to alert caregivers and caseworkers about instances of child-on-child sexual aggression. Jack also urged state officials at the hearing to improve communication between two separate state agencies: one that oversees children in foster care and one that licenses homes and facilities that house large numbers of foster children.
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Texas foster care officials testified Thursday that they had recently stopped placing children in one facility where monitors identified problems. A Texas Department of Family and Protective Services official testified that the agency was terminating its contract this week with Prairie Harbor, a Houston-area residential treatment center where a teen died in February from a pulmonary embolism associated with a blood clot in her leg.

The home has yet to have its license pulled, though state officials indicated that was a possibility.
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In November 2019, Jack held the state in contempt of court after a similarly fiery hearing for failing to comply with her orders, at the time focusing on a requirement that large foster homes have 24-hour, awake supervision. Based on initial information from the monitors, she said then she no longer found the state’s child welfare agency “to be credible in any way.”

She fined the state $150,000 at the time.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 pm
by Kurth
Help me out with something: In talking politics with my brother in law tonight, we got to talking about Supreme Court nominations and McConnel’s refusal to hold hearings on Merrick Garland. I was pointing to that as one of the clearest examples of MConnel not giving a fuck about the Constitution, and he made 2 points:

(1) The Constitution doesn’t actually say the Senate has to hold hearings, and
(2) Right or wrong, McConnel was just following precedent set by Ted Kennedy when he refused to hold hearings on a Reagan appointee.

What’s he talking about?

Maybe on the first point I at least understand what he’s getting at. I think it’s correct that the Constitution doesn’t specifically say, “hold hearings,” but there’s obviously an obligation to have a process to confirm (or not) the President’s nominees. So, stupid point, but at least understood.

But I’m at a loss on the second point. I know Ted Kennedy shoulders blame fir the politicization of the SC nomination process due to his handling of the Bork nomination, but it’s not like he refused to hold a hearing.

Anyone know what’s behind this right wing talking point???

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:33 pm
by malchior
Kurth wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 pmBut I’m at a loss on the second point. I know Ted Kennedy shoulders blame fir the politicization of the SC nomination process due to his handling of the Bork nomination, but it’s not like he refused to hold a hearing.
I personally think this is was one of the origin stories where the current GOP uses to justify their march into hypocrisy. In reality, the GOP has had a dark side for a long time and Bork was a key actor in their misconduct. Nominating the guy who 'fired the gun' in the Saturday Night Massacre was completely out of bounds. Especially since the SCOTUS seat had been promised to him by Nixon for 'firing that gun'. Those bothersome ethical dilemmas being meaningless to the GOP -- it became the smoking gun reason that Republicans blame the Democrats for politicizing Supreme Court nominations. In other words, it was just an early example of GOP projection.

Edit: The Kennedy bit i assume is a reference to how Kennedy quickly after the nomination bashed the nomination and vowed to fight it. I dont think a hold or filibuster was involved and it more turned into a slugfest.
Anyone know what’s behind this right wing talking point???
There isn't anything behind it. McConnell made up a rule on the fly. That this has trans-morphed into something with 'historical' backing is just the bullshit people do to solve for the cognitive dissonance.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:11 am
by LawBeefaroni
So Oracle inexplicably gets a "partnership" deal with TikTok.

Well, you inexcplicable if you ignore the fact that Larry Ellison and Safra Catz are huge GOP and Trump supporters.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:32 am
by Tao
Personally I don't believe there is an equivalency between Bork and Garland. Bork's nomination was contentious but it went to the full senate for a vote, he simply lost. Garland's nomination was stalled for over 290 days and simply expired without the process of a proper hearing. I would liken Bork more to what we saw with the Kavanaugh nomination, in that it was highly politicized and put under public scrutiny to a degree I don't believe had ever been done before. Senator Ted Kennedy made a public speech excoriating Bork and the hue and cry was taken up by a good number of folks outside the Senate in a public manner. Apparently Joe Biden, years before, had made a comment in regards to not nominating Justices during an election year, which would have probably been a more apt reference for your BIL rather than Kennedy.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:36 pm
by malchior

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:52 pm
by El Guapo
Hey, who doesn't confuse deer and people all the time?

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:57 pm
by ImLawBoy
My dad and I were driving to my soon-to-be brother-in-law's bachelor party (the tame version, presumably) and we were on an overpass above an interstate in suburban Chicago. There was a large thump and something rolled up the hood. We were face-to-face with a rather startled deer. My dad memorably quipped, "Th... th... that's a deer!" It then rolled off the hood and ran away, never to be seen again.

I am happy to contribute to this discussion.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:00 pm
by Jaymann
ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:57 pm My dad and I were driving to my soon-to-be brother-in-law's bachelor party (the tame version, presumably) and we were on an overpass above an interstate in suburban Chicago. There was a large thump and something rolled up the hood. We were face-to-face with a rather startled deer. My dad memorably quipped, "Th... th... that's a deer!" It then rolled off the hood and ran away, never to be seen again.
How do you know this?

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:20 pm
by ImLawBoy
Jaymann wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:00 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:57 pm My dad and I were driving to my soon-to-be brother-in-law's bachelor party (the tame version, presumably) and we were on an overpass above an interstate in suburban Chicago. There was a large thump and something rolled up the hood. We were face-to-face with a rather startled deer. My dad memorably quipped, "Th... th... that's a deer!" It then rolled off the hood and ran away, never to be seen again.
How do you know this?
We made sure of it. :ninja:

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:23 pm
by Ralph-Wiggum
Back in the mid 90s, my mom's friend's teenage son ran over what he assumed was a deer in the middle of the night on a back country road with no street lights. He went back to check on it and the morning and discovered it was a now deceased person. Apparently a homeless man had been sleeping (passed out?) in the middle of the road. Because he hadn't checked on it or called the authorities when it it first happened, I think he was charged with involuntary manslaughter. Unfortunately, I don't remember (or was never told?) how the case was resolved.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:16 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Growing up in the outskirts, we always kept a.pair of gloves in the trunk to clear dead stuff off the road. We always stopped if we hit something that wasn't an obvious small rodent corpse.

Something like a deer you always check and clear the road, even if it was already dead. A few times we had to euthanize an injured animal. Then get home, call DNR.


You always stop. Who doesn't stop? State AGs I guess.


Also:
The attorney general had been driving home to Pierre after attending the Spink County Lincoln Day Dinner in Redfield, Bormann said. The event was hosted at Rooster’s Bar and Grill from 5 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., according to the website of the South Dakota GOP.
Pretty sure we know why he didn't stop.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:20 pm
by malchior
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:16 pm Growing up in the outskirts, we always kept a.pair of gloves in the trunk to clear dead stuff off the road. We always stopped if we hit something that wasn't an obvious small rodent corpse.

Something like a deer you always check and clear the road, even if it was already dead. A few times we had to euthanize an injured animal. Then get home, call DNR.


You always stop. Who doesn't stop? State AGs I guess.


Also:
The attorney general had been driving home to Pierre after attending the Spink County Lincoln Day Dinner in Redfield, Bormann said. The event was hosted at Rooster’s Bar and Grill from 5 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., according to the website of the South Dakota GOP.
Pretty sure we know why he didn't stop.
Yup was about to say this. He knew he might be looking at a Death by Auto (or whatever the SD equivalent is). This cockamamie story gets him out of the whole thing potentially. I'd love to see his cell phone data...it'd probably be very illuminating in both calls, searches, and GPS information...

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:26 pm
by Isgrimnur
Man, Elmo & Patsy are going dark for 2020.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 pm
by Smoove_B
malchior wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:44 pm Fuck ICE. Shut. It. Down.
I guess this goes here? I'm not even sure? Do we have a crimes against humanity subforum in R&P?


‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center:
Several legal advocacy groups on Monday filed a whistleblower complaint on behalf of a nurse at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center documenting “jarring medical neglect” within the facility, including a refusal to test detainees for the novel coronavirus and an exorbitant rate of hysterectomies being performed on immigrant women.

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, was employed at the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC) in Georgia, which is operated by LaSalle Corrections, a private prison company. The complaint was filed with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) by advocacy groups Project South, Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm
by malchior
I'd say im speechless but there are hints we are the baddies all the time now. This might be a solid indicator.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:29 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Yep. We can pin only so much on Putin. We own this one.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:32 pm
by Jaymann
Motherfucking genocide. We need confirmation that Biden will stop this.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:42 pm
by LawBeefaroni
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm I'd say im speechless but there are hints we are the baddies all the time now. This might be a solid indicator.
It's far from a first. We have over a century doing this. That it's still happening it disgusting though. Makes each subsequent one worse, IMO.

I guess when the punishment is a joke, it'll keep happening.
Eugenics Compensation Act: In December 2015, the US Senate voted unanimously to help surviving victims of forced sterilization. North Carolina has paid $35,000 to 220 surviving victims of its eugenics program. Virginia agreed to give surviving victims $25,000 each.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:57 pm
by Isgrimnur
When the only punishment is a fine, that just means it’s legal for rich people/entities.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:17 pm
by Holman
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:42 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm I'd say im speechless but there are hints we are the baddies all the time now. This might be a solid indicator.
It's far from a first. We have over a century doing this. That it's still happening it disgusting though. Makes each subsequent one worse, IMO.

I guess when the punishment is a joke, it'll keep happening.
Eugenics Compensation Act: In December 2015, the US Senate voted unanimously to help surviving victims of forced sterilization. North Carolina has paid $35,000 to 220 surviving victims of its eugenics program. Virginia agreed to give surviving victims $25,000 each.
It's nauseating to see it now, though. This is the kind of thing we were taught was left behind generations ago. It's the sort of the things parents wished were left out of history class so their kids would grow up confident and patriotic.

DHS and ICE need to be razed to the ground. And Stephen Miller (who almost certainly has a hand here) needs to be treated as one of the villains of American history.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 pm
by Holman
Also this: we’ve reached the point where concentration-camp experiment analogies are no longer hyperbole.

This administration can go to Hell.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am
by Kurth
For once, I think I may agree with ICE here: This one deserves some skepticism.

I’d like to see a little more evidence before I’m comfortable with the notion that ICE is responsible for implementing a plan to stem illegal immigration by performing mass hysterectomies.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:52 am
by Paingod
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:20 pmHe knew he might be looking at a Death by Auto (or whatever the SD equivalent is). This cockamamie story gets him out of the whole thing potentially. I'd love to see his cell phone data...it'd probably be very illuminating in both calls, searches, and GPS information...
If he was anyone but the DA, I'd agree. Instead I'd posit that he's likely the best and most informed person as to what actions to take to avoid a DUI Manslaughter charge without needing to resort to panicked calls to friends and Google. GPS, though, may show that he stopped and continued. That would be the real gold to find in a data hunt.
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 pm
Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.
After hearing about a law on the books in (Virginia, I think) that allowed guardians of disabled people to have them sterilized "for the greater good" until very recent history, I wouldn't be surprised that to hear the current administration using it as a terror tactic to drive back immigrants.

I'd like to know which doctors are responsible for this, if it's happening, so their licenses can be revoked. I.C.E. goons aren't performing surgery.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:19 am
by LawBeefaroni
Kurth wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am For once, I think I may agree with ICE here: This one deserves some skepticism.

I’d like to see a little more evidence before I’m comfortable with the notion that ICE is responsible for implementing a plan to stem illegal immigration by performing mass hysterectomies.
It's not as stratecic as that. It's more like, "these people are trash, sterilize them." As mentioned, we have a long history of this thinking. And it's not ICE, it's the doctor(s) they use. Probably why they use rhe particular doctor(s) though.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:09 am
by Holman
Kurth wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am For once, I think I may agree with ICE here: This one deserves some skepticism.

I’d like to see a little more evidence before I’m comfortable with the notion that ICE is responsible for implementing a plan to stem illegal immigration by performing mass hysterectomies.
Hopefully we'll get evidence. Reports are of multiple people coming forward.

I wouldn't assume a "plan" yet, as this could be as simple an evil as the presiding doctor running up a bonus he gets for every major surgery. But such a thing could only go forward in the moral climate already established under Trump and ICE.

I won't be surprised to learn that memos went up and down the chain about this and that no one in authority objected.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:18 am
by malchior
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:19 am
Kurth wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am For once, I think I may agree with ICE here: This one deserves some skepticism.

I’d like to see a little more evidence before I’m comfortable with the notion that ICE is responsible for implementing a plan to stem illegal immigration by performing mass hysterectomies.
It's not as stratecic as that. It's more like, "these people are trash, sterilize them." As mentioned, we have a long history of this thinking. And it's not ICE, it's the doctor(s) they use. Probably why they use rhe particular doctor(s) though.
Or it could be indicative that they don't care about the significant impact to the person of the procedure. I don't see this as being some Mengele type but it could be someone deeply unethical. To counter balance the skepticism somewhat, the person who came forward to blow the whistle is in the medical unit allegedly. I think it is very likely that something off is happening. The reason/motives are however totally unknown if and when confirmed. The more important part to me is that it indicates that they do not treat these people with dignity. And that isn't unreasonable since this is ICE. They've shown disregard for human rights that we shouldn't tolerate at all.