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malchior wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:37 pmI know what you're arguing. What I don't think you're getting is that you're completely wrong about what that means or how it works.

You always say the sweetest things.

First that isn't completely accurate and as Smoove_B mentioned...that's part of that job? It's also irrelevant. Paying taxes isn't popular either but we live in a civilization.

Yes, and we have rules about how we decide what our responsibilities are. Congress is at the heart of that system. Now I suspect we agree that Congress is broken, but that doesn't change the role it has to play. And it is very deliberately NOT playing that role.

Which sucks for pandemic management.

Hey, this Trump-loving conservative has two friends who are also Trump-loving conservatives, and they both died of COVID. That means that 100% of people who died of COVID are Trump-loving conservatives. That is stone cold proof, my friend.

Maybe I'm missing something here.
Lin Wood, the lawyer, is saying "Covid is a partisan virus." Which to me means he is saying Covid is specifically attacking Trump loving Republicans. Therefore, since Trump got the vaccine and is now fine, shouldn't all Trumpers get the vaccine so they can also be fine?

Wow.

Lin Wood mentioned Pressley Stutts. He was the leader of the Republican party is my area. Big news here that he died. Wonder if it will change anything.

Am I wrong for hoping that this winter the Delta burns through the red states like Sherman burned through the south? And I am I wrong for hoping that the hospitals in blue states turn away the red stater's as well?

Because if so... I am very... very very very wrong.

To his surprise, he discovers that all the Martians MAGAers have been killed by an onslaught of earthly pathogens, to which they had no immunity: "slain, after all man's devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth"

Drazzil wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:06 amAm I wrong for hoping that this winter the Delta burns through the red states like Sherman burned through the south?

I'm not proud of myself when I say "No" to that. A large number of people have basically embraced a death wish. Just to spite Libruhls.

I've kind of reached a point where I'm trying to see the silver lining. With all these idiots running around aiming guns at each other, there will be fewer of them in the years to come to aim guns at everyone else. If COVID is turning into a partisan virus, it's only through the choices being made by the political party members and not some grand conspiracy by the other side.

Death is too big a price to pay for any lesson. However, this may be a rare occasion when the lesson cannot be avoided, and no other price is an option. If only one can be so "lucky" as to see a loved one die, rather than do so yourself? (Or both.)

That said, people have been dying in horrific numbers for well over a year and incorrect thinking appears no closer to being corrected en masse.

Yeah, but some of us anti-Trumpers (ANTIFA???) live in those red states.

You're not ANTIFA unless you go to weekly meetings and receive the quarterly (by mail).

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:34 amYeah, but some of us anti-Trumpers (ANTIFA???) live in those red states.

I know, and I'm sorry. I have nothing but sympathy for those who tried to do the right things through this and still come out hurting.

I just don't know what to do about people lining up to kill themselves, then scream that it's all a hoax as they drown in their own fluids. They hurt everyone else around themselves in doing so.

Just some numbers from last night:

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1428527092866691074

U.S. COVID update: More than 1,000 new deaths for 3rd day in a row as Florida reports backlog

- New cases: 178,700
- Average: 145,402 (+4,853)
- In hospital: 92,912 (+1,778)
- In ICU: 22,887 (+378)
- New deaths: 1,765

On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:10 am On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

He's saying the opposite. He's saying that there is a conspiracy to use COVID to kill conservatives. He's an evil man.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:12 am

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:10 am On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

He's saying the opposite. He's saying that there is a conspiracy to use COVID to kill conservatives. He's an evil man.

He's not alone in having that opinion, either.

Funny how when it's a hurricane wiping out a liberal population it's "God's cleansing wrath" but when it's COVID wiping out conservatives it's an evil conspiracy.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:12 am

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:10 am On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

He's saying the opposite. He's saying that there is a conspiracy to use COVID to kill conservatives. He's an evil man.

That's the one hand. But when I read it without the context of knowing Wood's a nut, it sounds like a plea. What reasonable person could think CDC and hospital systems are conspiring against republicans and the shot is a red herring while US medicine is killing people based on their knowledge of voting records. That's Modest Proposal writing. He's outlining the dire need to not treat COVID a partisan issue. There are no coincidences. Connect the dots.

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:39 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:12 am

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:10 am On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

He's saying the opposite. He's saying that there is a conspiracy to use COVID to kill conservatives. He's an evil man.

That's the one hand. But when I read it without the context of knowing Wood's a nut, it sounds like a plea. What reasonable person could think CDC and hospital systems are conspiring against republicans and the shot is a red herring while US medicine is killing people based on their knowledge of voting records. That's Modest Proposal writing. He's outlining the dire need to not treat COVID a partisan issue.

You are completely misreading what Lin wrote, even if read without the context of knowing Wood's a nut. For him, connecting the dots is that his two conservative friends got Covid, were treated in a hospital, and died anyway = Covid is partisan.

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:39 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:12 am

LordMortis wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:10 am On the one hand, Lin Wood is nuts, so I can see that statement being a nuts statement.
On the intuitive hand, Lin Wood is saying what every one saying "just get your damned shot" has been saying all along and it sounds like a plea to change your stance and not treat immunization as a partisan issue.

I can't give Wood the benefit of the doubt because there was no statement that said "get your damned shot" but boy does it sound like a plea.

He's saying the opposite. He's saying that there is a conspiracy to use COVID to kill conservatives. He's an evil man.

That's the one hand. But when I read it without the context of knowing Wood's a nut, it sounds like a plea. What reasonable person could think CDC and hospital systems are conspiring against republicans and the shot is a red herring while US medicine is killing people based on their knowledge of voting records. That's Modest Proposal writing. He's outlining the dire need to not treat COVID a partisan issue. There are no coincidences. Connect the dots.

He leads off stating that the NIH, CDC, doctors and hospitals are misleading and killing "us" based on political agenda and profit motives. He's providing all the needed context right there.

Nowhere does he support vaccination, even implicitly, but he explicitly states that there is a conspiracy against conservatives. It's a call to arms.

As someone who is stuck in the middle of a red state, I do get sick of the de-facto COVID death threats for me and my family. Do I want to see the idiots bringing this on get what their comeuppance? Sure. But I'm not wishing suffering or death on thousands of innocent bystanders (including the assholes' own children who are too young to decide for themselves) to get it.

YellowKing wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:34 am Funny how when it's a hurricane wiping out a liberal population it's "God's cleansing wrath" but when it's COVID wiping out conservatives it's an evil conspiracy.

Isn't it funny how God hates the same people that they do?

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:01 pm

YellowKing wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:34 am Funny how when it's a hurricane wiping out a liberal population it's "God's cleansing wrath" but when it's COVID wiping out conservatives it's an evil conspiracy.

Isn't it funny how God hates the same people that they do?

Every holy war and sports team has believed so. Let's make it politician teams now, too. Religion and politics always mix well. It's like peanut butter and hydrochloric acid.

Everything is going fine here in SC (click to embiggen).

Here's Chicago's detailed dashboard.

Lots of different looks and drilldowns.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:34 am Yeah, but some of us anti-Trumpers (ANTIFA???) live in those red states.

If you're vaccinated you will *probabally* be fine. I haven't heard of many cases of breakthru where ppl die.

Second Edit: Yes there are. Damnit.

Oof

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1428796490072399875

Who in their right mind thought this shit was over?

malchior wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:14 pm Oof

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1428796490072399875

Poor decision.


I just bought 4 of those tests yesterday to have on hand at home just in case.

Good lord. Did not see that one coming.

Sudy wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:33 am Death is too big a price to pay for any lesson.

Is it though? I'm prepared to make the case that if you go around without a mask and don't vaccinate, you are culpable in murdering those around you. When you drive drunk and wipe out and kill a family, you are punished to the fullest extent of the law. If you go unmasked, and un vaccinated and you expose a family and they die, that's just tough breaks I suppose? I would argue that not taking proper precautions is worse then drunk driving, as you can expose hundreds, or even thousands before you even know you have it.

Drazzil wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Sudy wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:33 am Death is too big a price to pay for any lesson.

Is it though? I'm prepared to make the case that if you go around without a mask and don't vaccinate, you are culpable in murdering those around you. When you drive drunk and wipe out and kill a family, you are punished to the fullest extent of the law. If you go unmasked, and un vaccinated and you expose a family and they die, that's just tough breaks I suppose? I would argue that not taking proper precautions is worse then drunk driving, as you can expose hundreds, or even thousands before you even know you have it.

Well...you are not wrong.

Drazzil wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Sudy wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:33 am Death is too big a price to pay for any lesson.

Is it though? I'm prepared to make the case that if you go around without a mask and don't vaccinate, you are culpable in murdering those around you. When you drive drunk and wipe out and kill a family, you are punished to the fullest extent of the law. If you go unmasked, and un vaccinated and you expose a family and they die, that's just tough breaks I suppose? I would argue that not taking proper precautions is worse then drunk driving, as you can expose hundreds, or even thousands before you even know you have it.

If you are vaccinated and do mask there is still some risk of transmission. Would that be like "buzzed" driving?

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:43 am Just some numbers from last night:

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1428527092866691074

U.S. COVID update: More than 1,000 new deaths for 3rd day in a row as Florida reports backlog

- New cases: 178,700
- Average: 145,402 (+4,853)
- In hospital: 92,912 (+1,778)
- In ICU: 22,887 (+378)
- New deaths: 1,765

The number of deaths in FL sure make it seem like they are under-reporting

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yes, FL switched how they report to try and juice their numbers. They refuse to follow standardized reporting protocol and short of a sternly worded letter, I'm not sure what anyone can do about it. Hopefully federal funding is cut from them in some capacity as a result of their nonsense, but I just don't know anymore.

Speaking of FL and related topics - stay off cruise ships:

https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1428856276080107523

CDC warns older adults, travelers in COVID high-risk groups not to take cruises, even if they're vaccinated

Drazzil wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Sudy wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:33 am Death is too big a price to pay for any lesson.

Is it though? I'm prepared to make the case that if you go around without a mask and don't vaccinate, you are culpable in murdering those around you. When you drive drunk and wipe out and kill a family, you are punished to the fullest extent of the law. If you go unmasked, and un vaccinated and you expose a family and they die, that's just tough breaks I suppose? I would argue that not taking proper precautions is worse then drunk driving, as you can expose hundreds, or even thousands before you even know you have it.

There should be consequences. I don't know what they should be. They shouldn't be made to die, no. And I won't cheer when they do. I can't wish a covid death on anyone.

They're exercising their right to die, and their implied right to harm others. I don't relish any aspect of the result. But what do you do? Start breaking down doors? That's obviously too much. But it seems like those are the only stripes left on the spectrum. Maybe there should be a more dedicated form of outreach beyond blunt reminders to vaccinate from politicians and health officials. But I don't know what it is. We're talking about deprogramming on a cultural level. We're talking North Korea.

Passports and limited mandatory vaccination requirements may swing those riding the fence, but it will only entrench the extremists. Show them the sick and the dead and they'll believe it's part of the conspiracy.

https://twitter.com/evanasmith/status/1 ... 1098244100

NEW from @texastribune: More than 12,800 Texans are hospitalized with COVID-19. We’re nearing our pandemic peak