That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
My first question (and I'd love to ask this to a room of lawyers), are they following EPA guidelines?El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:40 pm First, I've never heard of electrostatic disinfection. Second, haven't we already settled that disinfecting spaces that a COVID positive person went through does nothing to prevent the spread of COVID?
I am hoping the rumors are true and that it's a very, very vocal minority that is making it feel like more people are against doing anything to stop the uncontrolled spread right now. When you add in the elected officials that are amplifying these fringe-actors, it makes it seem like there's even more people against sensible actions.malchior wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pm People are losing their minds over the still unannounced plan from Biden likening him to a dictator. This isn't going to go the way we want it to.
Honestly I think this motivated by the need to be seen to be doing something. The individual employers are responsible for the COVID protocols that actually matter (people working from home, people wearing masks in the offices, people getting vaccinated, etc.). But I imagine the building owner is worried that if they don't announce some action alongside the "FYI someone tested positive in case you were in the office that day" notice, then the tenants might get mad at them. So they add "Fear not, we are cleaning the elevator with science!" to the e-mail.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pmMy first question (and I'd love to ask this to a room of lawyers), are they following EPA guidelines?El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:40 pm First, I've never heard of electrostatic disinfection. Second, haven't we already settled that disinfecting spaces that a COVID positive person went through does nothing to prevent the spread of COVID?
In terms of doing it, it's not necessarily *bad*, but if that's the only thing they are doing, I'd be more concerned. Like, if their entire COVID prevention plan is hinged on sci-fi foggers, that is not good.
Also use of these in an elevator is...odd. These devices are typically used to deal with large areas. Someone with a bucket and cloth could handle an elevator.
I mean, the people who are going to liken Biden to a dictator on this stuff are not likely to vote for his reelection anyway, whereas reducing the spread of COVID will likely help improve things in a way that will help his reelection.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:41 pmI am hoping the rumors are true and that it's a very, very vocal minority that is making it feel like more people are against doing anything to stop the uncontrolled spread right now. When you add in the elected officials that are amplifying these fringe-actors, it makes it seem like there's even more people against sensible actions.malchior wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pm People are losing their minds over the still unannounced plan from Biden likening him to a dictator. This isn't going to go the way we want it to.
I need to believe this because if the majority of people are genuinely against what Biden is proposing, then it's time for me to change careers and move; I cannot take much more of this.
From where I sit it's not a majority but it is not a very small minority either.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:41 pmI am hoping the rumors are true and that it's a very, very vocal minority that is making it feel like more people are against doing anything to stop the uncontrolled spread right now. When you add in the elected officials that are amplifying these fringe-actors, it makes it seem like there's even more people against sensible actions.malchior wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pm People are losing their minds over the still unannounced plan from Biden likening him to a dictator. This isn't going to go the way we want it to.
I need to believe this because if the majority of people are genuinely against what Biden is proposing, then it's time for me to change careers and move; I cannot take much more of this.
LordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:47 pmFrom where I sit it's not a majority but it is not a very small minority either.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:41 pmI am hoping the rumors are true and that it's a very, very vocal minority that is making it feel like more people are against doing anything to stop the uncontrolled spread right now. When you add in the elected officials that are amplifying these fringe-actors, it makes it seem like there's even more people against sensible actions.malchior wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pm People are losing their minds over the still unannounced plan from Biden likening him to a dictator. This isn't going to go the way we want it to.
I need to believe this because if the majority of people are genuinely against what Biden is proposing, then it's time for me to change careers and move; I cannot take much more of this.
"They can't touch you." "It's not the law. It's just a mandate.""hey, it's not up to us - it's Biden's rule, what can you do?"
Yeah, but in general employers don't need *that* much additional support because the real message is "get vaccinated or you're fired." There being some unenforceable federal rule is mostly useful for any negative PR fallout.LordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:50 pmLordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:47 pmFrom where I sit it's not a majority but it is not a very small minority either.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:41 pmI am hoping the rumors are true and that it's a very, very vocal minority that is making it feel like more people are against doing anything to stop the uncontrolled spread right now. When you add in the elected officials that are amplifying these fringe-actors, it makes it seem like there's even more people against sensible actions.malchior wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:38 pm People are losing their minds over the still unannounced plan from Biden likening him to a dictator. This isn't going to go the way we want it to.
I need to believe this because if the majority of people are genuinely against what Biden is proposing, then it's time for me to change careers and move; I cannot take much more of this."They can't touch you." "It's not the law. It's just a mandate.""hey, it's not up to us - it's Biden's rule, what can you do?"
It is something called a Temporary Emergency Standard. They dropped one on healthcare providers in June to make healthcare providers develop a plan to reduce exposure risk to COVID-19. Is it legal? I don't know. Do I really care at this point? A little but enough is enough with these assholes.El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:46 pmBut this sounds like rule making, which takes forever, so unless there's some emergency process in place I suspect that this won't go into effect until after it no longer matters.
“Please DO NOT apply if you have taken any vaccines for COVID-19,” read the job posting for watercraft retailer Souris River Canoes . “We will only be considering unvaccinated individuals.”
The posting is aiming to fill two full-time roles and one part-time position for workers to start in October with six-month renewable positions. The company in Atikokan, Ont., was established in 1985 and is owned by a husband and wife team.
The company stood by its position in an emailed response to one of its critics that has since been shared on Reddit.com. In their statement, owners Arlene and Keith Robinson said, “We stand against government and corporate bullying of people’s right to health freedom using vaccine mandates and vaccine passports.”
They said they support the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Constitution and the Nuremburg Code.
“You have a right to your judgemental attitudes and opinions, just as we have a right to make our own business hiring decisions.”
...The Kentucky Department for Public Health reported 5,252 new COVID-19 cases Thursday, as well as 36 additional coronavirus-related deaths.
The new cases include 1,602 teens and kids age 18 and younger.
The COVID-19 test positivity rate is 14.04% as of Thursday, and all but two counties are in the red zone. Cases are being reported at high or substantial rates across the entire commonwealth, which means masks are recommended in indoor public places and crowded outdoor events.
Why am I speechless?"Our hospital situation has never been more dire in my lifetime than it is right now," the governor said. "That means if you get COVID and you need to be hospitalized, there's never been a greater likelihood that there's not a bed for you or your family members or your friends. At the same time, if you were in a car accident today and you need emergency treatment, that emergency room has never been more full than it is right now."
Vaccine mandates that ignore natural immunity ignore the science, are unscientific, and should not be adhered to or promulgated by the government.
Well, he's not a good person, at the least.Victoria Raverna wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:41 pm He really believe that or he is just an evil person?
Do you even need step 4? If the gun crazies don't see anything wrong with any of step 3 they are more than likely going to go along with whatever fascist dictatorial crap one thinks up, as long as it is couched it in terms of owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:26 am 1. Get all the gun-owning crazies on your side against the bleeding heart liberals who would defend them were it the other way around.
2. Seize complete control of the government.
3. Subdue/disempower the bleeding hearts.
4. Turn on the gun crazies. Take their guns.
5. You have won.
If you happen to get a viral pandemic that helps you with steps 3 and/or 4, embrace it.
Is step 5 actually a step? There's no action there.raydude wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:08 amDo you even need step 4? If the gun crazies don't see anything wrong with any of step 3 they are more than likely going to go along with whatever fascist dictatorial crap one thinks up, as long as it is couched it in terms of owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:26 am 1. Get all the gun-owning crazies on your side against the bleeding heart liberals who would defend them were it the other way around.
2. Seize complete control of the government.
3. Subdue/disempower the bleeding hearts.
4. Turn on the gun crazies. Take their guns.
5. You have won.
If you happen to get a viral pandemic that helps you with steps 3 and/or 4, embrace it.
They're too much of a wildcard. They will follow Trump to the ends of the earth. What's to say they won't find another less controllable demagogue?raydude wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:08 amDo you even need step 4? If the gun crazies don't see anything wrong with any of step 3 they are more than likely going to go along with whatever fascist dictatorial crap one thinks up, as long as it is couched it in terms of owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:26 am 1. Get all the gun-owning crazies on your side against the bleeding heart liberals who would defend them were it the other way around.
2. Seize complete control of the government.
3. Subdue/disempower the bleeding hearts.
4. Turn on the gun crazies. Take their guns.
5. You have won.
If you happen to get a viral pandemic that helps you with steps 3 and/or 4, embrace it.
5. Throw a party.El Guapo wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:16 amIs step 5 actually a step? There's no action there.raydude wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:08 amDo you even need step 4? If the gun crazies don't see anything wrong with any of step 3 they are more than likely going to go along with whatever fascist dictatorial crap one thinks up, as long as it is couched it in terms of owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:26 am 1. Get all the gun-owning crazies on your side against the bleeding heart liberals who would defend them were it the other way around.
2. Seize complete control of the government.
3. Subdue/disempower the bleeding hearts.
4. Turn on the gun crazies. Take their guns.
5. You have won.
If you happen to get a viral pandemic that helps you with steps 3 and/or 4, embrace it.
He probably doesn't believe it.Zaxxon wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:51 pmWell, he's not a good person, at the least.Victoria Raverna wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:41 pm He really believe that or he is just an evil person?
I don't suppose the "Fitwel Viral Response Module" means anything to anyone? And by "anyone" I mean Smoove?The health and well-being of our tenants have always been a priority for [building], and the COVID-19 pandemic has brought this commitment to the forefront. We are very pleased to announce that [building] has been recognized for achieving the rigorous requirements of the Fitwel® Viral Response Module (VRM). This designation of excellence affirms our commitment to providing a healthy environment for all tenants, staff and visitors that spend time in our building.
Fitwel's Viral Response module is the most rigorous tool of its kind - setting science driven-requirements to maximize health and safety in light of Covid-19, based upon a thorough review of public health evidence with the US Center of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and global academic experts. Visit fitwel.org to learn more.
Building staff have implemented a variety of measures to protect your health in the face of Covid-19, addressing key priorities such as indoor air quality, cleaning protocols, hand hygiene, outbreak preparedness planning and more. You can download the attached PDF to learn about specific policies and practices designed to keep you safe now and into the future - whether we're facing a pandemic surge or annual flu season.
Your health and well-being are important to us, and we hope you will feel confident knowing that the highest caliber safety measures are in place to protect you.
I've legitimately never heard of this:El Guapo wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:39 pm I don't suppose the "Fitwel Viral Response Module" means anything to anyone? And by "anyone" I mean Smoove?
It's almost like...accreditation for building/infrastructure health. They might be at the intersection of civil engineering (HVAC) and public health, which is just a bit outside my experience. Definitely interesting.Fitwel is the world's leading certification system committed to building health for all®. Generated by expert analysis of 5,600+ academic research studies, Fitwel is implementing a vision for a healthier future where all buildings and communities are enhanced to strengthen health and well-being.
Fitwel was originally created by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Prevention and U.S. General Services Administration. The CDC remains the research and evaluation partner for Fitwel. The Center for Active Design was selected as the licensed operator of Fitwel, charged with expanding Fitwel to the global market.
.Generated by expert analysis of 5,600+ academic research studies
Are they claiming that entire sentence as a registered trademark, or just the word "all"? Or the phrase "building health for all"?Fitwel is the world's leading certification system committed to building health for all®.
Sounds like a facilities survey or some sort like those green building certifications, except this one has to do with the ventilation things.El Guapo wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:39 pm The building that I work in is applying science to keep us safe:
(Fitwel Viral Response Module stuff snipped)
The US is now the least vaccinated G7 country.
Oddly enough, no ivermectin.More than a dozen gorillas at Zoo Atlanta were diagnosed with COVID-19 after they were seen coughing, with runny noses and losing their appetite.
Atlanta’s animal handlers took fecal samples and nasal and oral swabs from the gorillas and sent the samples to a lab at the University of Georgia, which returned a presumptive positive result, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The entire troop quarantined together for six weeks. Two received steroids and antibiotics and one of them got an experimental monoclonal antibody treatment. The others showed mild symptoms and healed just with ibuprofen, according to ABC10 News.
I'm waiting for confirmation, but I do not believe a lab-leak is involved.A professor of microbiology at Davidson College wrote in Forbes magazine that gorilla populations could be further threatened by this new pathogen. Evidence of this virus in non-human primates also raises fundamental questions about the transmission of viruses between species and the evolution of pathogens, Professor David Wessner wrote.
“The transmission of this novel coronavirus from bats to humans to gorillas and other animals does shed light on the complex process of viral evolution and confirms the importance of robust emerging infectious disease surveillance programs,” he wrote in Forbes.
I was surprised to see Japan was as high as your graph showed, because I have friends there that have shared with me the great resistance to (this?) vaccines in Japan....
