OOWL Game 3- The Fall -The End. Bye Bye Wolfies

[pr0ner]

Ok, so am I an army of 1 on the Isgrimnur thing? I kind of like my reasoning there, but it seems I may be the only one.

Also, why Pr0ner? Is this a poke the silent, or is it something else that I may be missing? If the isgrimnur thing is not going to get any traction, I can change my vote.

pr0ner tends to be quiet and thus hard to read but I mostly placed my vote there because he and purge were the only players with 2 votes and I figured this is the first game purge has been back in a while so I'd vote pr0ner to see what happened. So far all that has happened is an amazing amount of nothing.

So you'd rather vote for me than for the person who's throwing his vote around all willy-nilly?

Fascinating.

My Willy may be Nilly, but at least I get my facts straight.

Touche', sir. And funny, to boot.

[pr0ner]

Ok, so am I an army of 1 on the Isgrimnur thing? I kind of like my reasoning there, but it seems I may be the only one.

Also, why Pr0ner? Is this a poke the silent, or is it something else that I may be missing? If the isgrimnur thing is not going to get any traction, I can change my vote.

pr0ner tends to be quiet and thus hard to read but I mostly placed my vote there because he and purge were the only players with 2 votes and I figured this is the first game purge has been back in a while so I'd vote pr0ner to see what happened. So far all that has happened is an amazing amount of nothing.

So you'd rather vote for me than for the person who's throwing his vote around all willy-nilly?

Fascinating.

I actually shared my exact thinking on why I voted you as opposed to him. Its interesting that you feel the need to try and make something more out of it though. As for throwing his vote around, why not throw it around?

 Remus West 
 


How's that for throwing a vote around?

Trying to divert attention from your wolfy pal Purge?

[Remus West]

Ok, so am I an army of 1 on the Isgrimnur thing? I kind of like my reasoning there, but it seems I may be the only one.

Also, why Pr0ner? Is this a poke the silent, or is it something else that I may be missing? If the isgrimnur thing is not going to get any traction, I can change my vote.

pr0ner tends to be quiet and thus hard to read but I mostly placed my vote there because he and purge were the only players with 2 votes and I figured this is the first game purge has been back in a while so I'd vote pr0ner to see what happened. So far all that has happened is an amazing amount of nothing.

So you'd rather vote for me than for the person who's throwing his vote around all willy-nilly?

Fascinating.

I actually shared my exact thinking on why I voted you as opposed to him. Its interesting that you feel the need to try and make something more out of it though. As for throwing his vote around, why not throw it around?

 Remus West 
 


How's that for throwing a vote around?

Trying to divert attention from your wolfy pal Purge?

Yes, that is absolutely what I am doing because on day 1 what the wolves really want is for both of their players to attract as much attention as possible so Purge and I sat back and said, "Damn it. How can we both look suspicious at the same time?"

You make me feel better and better about voting for you. You aren't even trying to find wolves.

[pr0ner]

Ok, so am I an army of 1 on the Isgrimnur thing? I kind of like my reasoning there, but it seems I may be the only one.

Also, why Pr0ner? Is this a poke the silent, or is it something else that I may be missing? If the isgrimnur thing is not going to get any traction, I can change my vote.

pr0ner tends to be quiet and thus hard to read but I mostly placed my vote there because he and purge were the only players with 2 votes and I figured this is the first game purge has been back in a while so I'd vote pr0ner to see what happened. So far all that has happened is an amazing amount of nothing.

So you'd rather vote for me than for the person who's throwing his vote around all willy-nilly?

Fascinating.

I actually shared my exact thinking on why I voted you as opposed to him. Its interesting that you feel the need to try and make something more out of it though. As for throwing his vote around, why not throw it around?

 Remus West 
 


How's that for throwing a vote around?

Trying to divert attention from your wolfy pal Purge?

Yes, that is absolutely what I am doing because on day 1 what the wolves really want is for both of their players to attract as much attention as possible so Purge and I sat back and said, "Damn it. How can we both look suspicious at the same time?"

You make me feel better and better about voting for you. You aren't even trying to find wolves.

It's not like you're doing anything, either.

Neither is Isgrimnur. Or Triggercut. Or Qantaga.

[pr0ner]

In fact, why is  Qantaga 
 
so quiet?

[RMC]

In fact, why is  Qantaga 
 
so quiet?

Actually a great question.

Why the quiet act Mr. Q?

[theohall]

In fact, why is  Qantaga 
 
so quiet?

I agree. 3 posts the whole game??

 Qantaga 
 

[Isgrimnur]

After the low profile wolfitude in Game 1, I'm willing to push in that direction.

 Qantaga 
 

[Qantaga]

Sorry kids, it's called real life. I've got a huge project due Monday afternoon and have barely had time to think, much less post.

If you need to dispatch me for that, feel free.

I am not a wolf, but I am a safe target to keep the Seer hidden.

[triggercut]

Dig pr0ner calling folks out for not posting anything. That's adorable!

[Isgrimnur]

Fair enough. Hell, I'm at work today myself in preparation for a code drop Tuesday night.

 withdraw Qantaga 
 

[purge]

Just so I get my meta-excuses out of the way, I've got a DR (disaster recovery) test that starts Monday at 8:00am and runs 24hrs a day for up to four days.

That being said, I've missed this so much that I am stimula-- wait, that sounds bad. Exuberant. Let's go with that word instead.

[Isgrimnur]

So we've pretty much got tomorrow and Tuesday morning to run someone up the flag pole. Isn't day one always so much fun?

[Lassr]

1 Remus West ----------- bb2112 -- RMC -- pr0ner
2 pr0ner ----------- purge -- Remus West Qantaga
3 Qantaga ----------- Remus West
4 theohall ----------- Qantaga -- proner -- Qantaga
5 triggercut ----------- RMC -- bb2112
6 purge ----------- bb2112 -- isgrimnur -- proner -- bb2112
7 RMC ----------- pr0ner
8 bb2112 ----------- Remus West -- Isgrimnur
9 Isgrimnur ----------- purge -- Qantaga
.
Qantaga ----------- 2
pr0ner ----------- 2
Remus West ----------- 1
Isgrimnur ----------- 1
bb2112 ----------- 1
-----------
-----------

Majority = 5
Deadline Tuesday Noon CDT

[Qantaga]

I have a few minutes before heading out on a four hour drive to present my project. I will be able to participate more beginning this evening.

Some very quick observations:

- I still find it interesting the way Remus felt compelled to explain his vote to Purge, but looking back, it does appear more as an explanation of to/too/two, than an explanation of the actual vote.

- I'm curious why both RMC (once) and theohall (twice) tried to defend Remus.

- Most interesting, though, is how little theohall has actually had to say. His posts are very calm and fluffy. His most definitive assertion so far is his vote on me, but even that is based on post count and not any "theo" instinct. This is the calmest/least opinionated theo I've seen in a long time.

I plan to do a full readthrough early this evening, but at the moment, theo is tingling my spidey senses the most. I'll cast a vote tonight (on theo or otherwise), when I can take a better look at the game.

For now:

 withdraw Remus 
 

[RMC]

I have a few minutes before heading out on a four hour drive to present my project. I will be able to participate more beginning this evening.

Some very quick observations:

- I still find it interesting the way Remus felt compelled to explain his vote to Purge, but looking back, it does appear more as an explanation of to/too/two, than an explanation of the actual vote.

- I'm curious why both RMC (once) and theohall (twice) tried to defend Remus.

- Most interesting, though, is how little theohall has actually had to say. His posts are very calm and fluffy. His most definitive assertion so far is his vote on me, but even that is based on post count and not any "theo" instinct. This is the calmest/least opinionated theo I've seen in a long time.

I plan to do a full readthrough early this evening, but at the moment, theo is tingling my spidey senses the most. I'll cast a vote tonight (on theo or otherwise), when I can take a better look at the game.

For now:

 withdraw Remus 
 

I did not defend him so much, as ensure everyone looked at the times that the posts were. <shrug> I have no idea who is a wolf or not, but I want to make sure we are making good decisions and no band wagons form on overlooked information.

I for one still think Pr0ner is a great day one lynch. He is acting different from games I have played with him in the past, and that to me implies either a change in style or a wolf role in a small game that demands the change in style.

So either way, it makes him stand out as someone who is worthy of seeing if he is a wolf. At least to me.

[triggercut]

Deadline is coming up fairly soon. I think I shall vote for  Qantaga 
 
as a safe choice.

[bb2112]

Well my Isgrimnur revelation is getting no traction. Since Q already has 3 votes, and has been fairly quiet, I guess I can go that route.

That would be N-1 on Q.

 Qantaga 
 

[Isgrimnur]

Revelation? Really? I suppose from the strictest definition, you've revealed your thoughts, but calling a gut feeling opinion a revelation is kinda stretching the usual usage of the word.

[Remus West]

Well my Isgrimnur revelation is getting no traction. Since Q already has 3 votes, and has been fairly quiet, I guess I can go that route.

That would be N-1 on Q.

 Qantaga 
 

Why push him to the edge when he made it clear he won't be around until tonight? Why not vote pr0ner?

[Isgrimnur]

Deadline is at noon tomorrow. We're close enough to it that I have no issue with the timing of the vote. But I will look askance at anyone that shoves him over without a chance to respond.

[theohall]

Let's fix this.

 withdraw Qantaga

Pr0ner 
 

[bb2112]

Well my Isgrimnur revelation is getting no traction. Since Q already has 3 votes, and has been fairly quiet, I guess I can go that route.

That would be N-1 on Q.

 Qantaga 
 

Why push him to the edge when he made it clear he won't be around until tonight? Why not vote pr0ner?

That is why I put the big

That would be N-1 on Q.

tag on it. Q can respond tonight. The only reason why I didn't vote Pr0ner is because he was at 2 and Q was at 3.

With Theo's switch, now I believe both are at 3. I can go either way.

[bb2112]

Revelation? Really? I suppose from the strictest definition, you've revealed your thoughts, but calling a gut feeling opinion a revelation is kinda stretching the usual usage of the word.

Ok, so it is not a revelation of Biblical proportions, I will grant you that. However, I didn't want to minimize my awesome analytical skills either.

[Qantaga]

Whew. I feel like it's the first day of summer, getting that silly project behind me.

I'm going to try to find some dinner, then look back through the thread.

In the meantime, some quick comments.

trig's post strikes me as strange:

Deadline is coming up fairly soon. I think I shall vote for  Qantaga 
 
as a safe choice.

First, this came with 23 hours to go before the deadline. I can see wanting a "safe" choice within a few hours of the deadline, but not an entire day before. Wouldn't it be best to vote on a potential wolf, rather than a safe choice?

Second, trig's calling me a safe choice, and not a wolf, seems to imply that he *knows* I'm just a safe choice and not a possible lycan (something that only the two wolves and I know for certain, at the moment).

bb2112's n-1 vote also feels a bit like piling on ("3 votes already and I'm fairly quiet"). bb, do you think I'm a wolf because I've been fairly quiet (and already have 3 votes) or are you just trying to advance the game to the night cycle? Why is the number of votes on someone important?

The only reason why I didn't vote Pr0ner is because he was at 2 and Q was at 3.

I would think that you would want to put a little more effort in finding a wolf, than just voting on the person with the most votes. I know Isgrimnur is your first choice, but shouldn't you be voting on who you think most wolfish, rather than just the top vote getter? If you think I'm evil, by all means, have at me, but don't vote for me because I have the most votes, especially since we have the rest of the evening and tomorrow morning to decide.

Of course, I realize we're flying blind on Day 1, but if I do meet my demise, all of this will be worth considering by my fellow do-gooders.

I will be back in an hour or two for a thorough read-through and a vote of my own, if I'm still alive, of course. If there is a need to kill me before I return, I will re-iterate what I said earlier. I am not a wolf, nor am I the Seer.

[Isgrimnur]

Revelation? Really? I suppose from the strictest definition, you've revealed your thoughts, but calling a gut feeling opinion a revelation is kinda stretching the usual usage of the word.

Ok, so it is not a revelation of Biblical proportions, I will grant you that. However, I didn't want to minimize my awesome analytical skills either.

I'll await your admission of fallibility after the game.

[bb2112]

Whew. I feel like it's the first day of summer, getting that silly project behind me.

I'm going to try to find some dinner, then look back through the thread.

In the meantime, some quick comments.

trig's post strikes me as strange:

Deadline is coming up fairly soon. I think I shall vote for  Qantaga 
 
as a safe choice.

First, this came with 23 hours to go before the deadline. I can see wanting a "safe" choice within a few hours of the deadline, but not an entire day before. Wouldn't it be best to vote on a potential wolf, rather than a safe choice?

Second, trig's calling me a safe choice, and not a wolf, seems to imply that he *knows* I'm just a safe choice and not a possible lycan (something that only the two wolves and I know for certain, at the moment).

bb2112's n-1 vote also feels a bit like piling on ("3 votes already and I'm fairly quiet"). bb, do you think I'm a wolf because I've been fairly quiet (and already have 3 votes) or are you just trying to advance the game to the night cycle? Why is the number of votes on someone important?

The only reason why I didn't vote Pr0ner is because he was at 2 and Q was at 3.

I would think that you would want to put a little more effort in finding a wolf, than just voting on the person with the most votes. I know Isgrimnur is your first choice, but shouldn't you be voting on who you think most wolfish, rather than just the top vote getter? If you think I'm evil, by all means, have at me, but don't vote for me because I have the most votes, especially since we have the rest of the evening and tomorrow morning to decide.

Of course, I realize we're flying blind on Day 1, but if I do meet my demise, all of this will be worth considering by my fellow do-gooders.

I will be back in an hour or two for a thorough read-through and a vote of my own, if I'm still alive, of course. If there is a need to kill me before I return, I will re-iterate what I said earlier. I am not a wolf, nor am I the Seer.

My vote for you is based on logic:

1. Because we are getting close to a deadline
2. I have stated many times, I would prefer Isgrimnur, but NOBODY has seconded that vote - with 24 hrs left, time to move on
3. I would love to find a wolf. I hope you are it. If you aren't, then being at N-1 gives you a chance to respond with a little pressure. I should be around tonight to change my vote if I deem it necessary.
4. You already claimed not being the seer, so worst case scenario, we get a villager, best case a wolf (I am hoping for the latter)
5. Give me a better reason to vote for someone else. My vote is no way set in stone, but right now, with limited/no information you are in my top 3 suspects based on gut, insight, and my biblical Isgrimnur revelation.

[bb2112]

I'll await your admission of fallibility after the game.

We shall see, grasshopper, we shall see.

[pr0ner]

Let's fix this.

 withdraw Qantaga

Pr0ner 
 

Why? Because Remus wants you to?

[pr0ner]

 triggercut 
 


For considering Qantaga the "safe" choice, for his snarky response to being called out for being quiet, and for contributing practically nothing to the game.

[Remus West]

Let's fix this.

 withdraw Qantaga

Pr0ner 
 

Why? Because Remus wants you to?

There is a difference between asking "Why not" and asking "Will you?" Its a bit of an important distinction.

[Qantaga]

This:

Since Q already has 3 votes, and has been fairly quiet, I guess I can go that route.

is very different from this:

but right now, with limited/no information you are in my top 3 suspects based on gut, insight, and my biblical Isgrimnur revelation.

[Qantaga]

After a re-read:

Remus West: Out front, highly participatory. My instincts still cringe at his response to Purge about his (Remus') bb2112 vote, when I would not have expected a response from Remus in that situation.

pr0ner: I'm not getting an evil pr0ner vibe.

theohall: This is a kinder, gentler theohall, which seems highly out of character (compared to previous theos, good/bad/Seer). Not sure how to read him, but it makes me antsy.

triggercut: As mentioned previously, I'm a bit confused by the "safe choice" vote, and timing thereof.

purge: As others have pointed out, he is quite free with his votes. Just looking to kill someone/anyone?

RMC: A farily typical and expected RMC performance. I am a bit surprised that he didn't jump to vote against me when I noted that he defended Remus. Leaning good.

bb2112: Very suspicious, especially with his "revelations" and his desire to vote for the top vote-getter (not to mention his contradictory reasoning).

Isgrimnur: The new, more vocal Issy. He used this to his benefit in OOWL 2. Hopefully, he is savvy enough to switch it up and not be out front and center again as another wolf. If he is a wolf again, I will vote for him on Day 1 from now into the foreseeable future.

My top three, at the moment (in no particular order):

theohall, bb2112, triggercut

[Lassr]

1 Remus West ----------- bb2112 -- RMC -- pr0ner
2 pr0ner ----------- purge -- Remus West -- Qantaga -- triggercut
3 Qantaga ----------- Remus West
4 theohall ----------- Qantaga -- proner -- Qantaga -- pr0ner
5 triggercut ----------- RMC -- bb2112 -- Qantaga
6 purge ----------- bb2112 -- isgrimnur -- proner -- bb2112
7 RMC ----------- pr0ner
8 bb2112 ----------- Remus West -- isgrimnur -- Qantaga
9 Isgrimnur ----------- purge -- Qantaga
.
pr0ner ----------- 3
Qantaga ----------- 2
triggercut ----------- 1
-----------
bb2112 ----------- 1
-----------
-----------

Majority = 5
Deadline Tuesday Noon CDT

[Qantaga]

 bb2112 
 

[bb2112]

Ok, now that I've seen Q's response I'm very happy leaving my vote where it is. He was number three on my threat assessment list and now I have moved him up to number 2.

Q, your analysis smacks of when you were evil last time. You were quiet, then posted a run down of everyone to deflect suspicion. Very similar.

[bb2112]

This:

Since Q already has 3 votes, and has been fairly quiet, I guess I can go that route.

is very different from this:

but right now, with limited/no information you are in my top 3 suspects based on gut, insight, and my biblical Isgrimnur revelation.

Nope not different at all. You were not my top choice, but still are a good candidate.

[Qantaga]

Q, your analysis smacks of when you were evil last time. You were quiet, then posted a run down of everyone to deflect suspicion. Very similar.

That is the nature of my playstyle, not an indicator of an evil alignment.

You call it deflecting suspicion, while it is, in fact, my personal observations of the game so far.

[triggercut]

pr0ner gets like this when he's got something going on. He's either a badguy or our seer.

I think he's a great candidate to run up... and I think he's at 3 votes...

But then I think: "What if he's our seer and we end up outing him?"

And then I think: "If he's not a wolf, they've probably noticed it too, and he's their first snack anyway, so we won't get any useful scans from him."

So.

I think pr0ner's special, I think there's a 2 in 3 chance that he's a wolf, and if he isn't a wolf, I think there's a chance approaching 0% that he survives to give us a scan result anyway.

 pr0ner 
 


(Plus, triggercut principle!)

[Isgrimnur]

I'd like to give him another opportunity to respond, but I'm down with playing those odds tomorrow.