Octopus Overlords

Remus West wrote:I'm fine with targetting you due to your reaction to him suggesting we do so.

I only just now went back to read what I wrote.

You are so full of it Remus, but - like I said in my scandalous reaction to Qantaga:
Frankly, we are all going to be interrogated, probably a couple times - not sure why you feel the need to actually try and give people some reason..

Scoop20906 wrote:certainly hasn't happened on my team

ooooh. Scoop is on my team! Woot! Now we can both flounder around helplessly trying to figure out what the hell is going on together.

Unagi wrote:

Remus West wrote:I'm fine with targetting you due to your reaction to him suggesting we do so.

I only just now went back to read what I wrote.

You are so full of it Remus, but - like I said in my scandalous reaction to Qantaga:
Frankly, we are all going to be interrogated, probably a couple times - not sure why you feel the need to actually try and give people some reason..

Meh, you come across as defensive regarding his post. I really got nothing else. May as well be a repeated day 1 vote as far as I can tell unless we out ourselves and outing ourselves seems to be a "here KIM, go ahead and win" maneuver as best I can tell so you get the slightest hint of dirtiness vote going your way.

 stessier 
 


he stinks like KIM!

Aggregate vote history:
bb2112 to interrogate Chaosraven(1)
Qantaga to interrogate Unagi(1)
Lassr to interrogate Chaosraven(2)
Unagi to interrogate Chaosraven(3)
Remus West to interrogate Unagi(2)
Chaosraven to interrogate Unagi(3)
stessier to interrogate Unagi(4)
Newcastle to interrogate stessier(1)

Individual vote history:
bb2112: to interrogate Chaosraven
Qantaga: to interrogate Unagi
Lassr: to interrogate Chaosraven
Unagi: to interrogate Chaosraven
Remus West: to interrogate Unagi
Chaosraven: to interrogate Unagi
stessier: to interrogate Unagi
Newcastle: to interrogate stessier

Currently Targeted:
syntax: soandsoistargeted(withthismanyvotes): bythesepeople
Chaosraven(3): bb2112, Lassr, Unagi
Unagi(4): Qantaga, Remus West, Chaosraven, stessier
stessier(1): Newcastle

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: El Guapo, Scoop20906

 Unagi 
 


Seems as good an interrogation target as any. I'm not 100% sold on Qantaga's argument, but it's as good as any.

My current question: what value do we get by torturing someone to death? I guess that rules out someone as KIM. Oh, and thereby validates their clues, though that's just as valuable to the other non-KIM team as to one's own non-KIM team.

 Unagi 
 

Aggregate vote history:
bb2112 to interrogate Chaosraven(1)
Qantaga to interrogate Unagi(1)
Lassr to interrogate Chaosraven(2)
Unagi to interrogate Chaosraven(3)
Remus West to interrogate Unagi(2)
Chaosraven to interrogate Unagi(3)
stessier to interrogate Unagi(4)
Newcastle to interrogate stessier(1)
El Guapo to interrogate Unagi(5)
bb2112 wd Chaosraven(2)
bb2112 to interrogate Unagi(6)

Individual vote history:
bb2112: interrogate Chaosraven, Unagi
Qantaga: interrogate Unagi
Lassr: interrogate Chaosraven
Unagi: interrogate Chaosraven
Remus West: interrogate Unagi
Chaosraven: interrogate Unagi
stessier: interrogate Unagi
Newcastle: interrogate stessier
El Guapo: interrogate Unagi(5)

Currently Targeted:
syntax: soandsoistargeted(withthismanyvotes): bythesepeople
Chaosraven(2): Lassr, Unagi
Unagi(6): Qantaga, Remus West, Chaosraven, stessier, El Guapo, bb2112
stessier(1): Newcastle

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: Scoop20906

Voting is closed.

Returning to Svatá Klára only a day later, you note with irony that in days gone by, Czech hospitality toward those of ill will consisted of jettisoning them out the window. Now, malefactors are treated to fine dining in a subterranean cavern.

They don't make spies like they used to.

As the final civilian diners depart for a night on the town, spooks emerge from the shadows and surround Unagi. Holding him in front of the mounted television so that he cannot avert his gaze, they threaten him.

"Ready for a bit o' the Ludwig van?" they menace. Somebody waves a remote. The screen grows bright.

"It's Celine Dion and the Chipmunks!" intones the announcer.

"Stop!" screams Unagi. "You people are merciless."

The nation that wishes to apply economic pressure has exactly 1 more asset than the covertly operating nation has.

Somewhat perplexed, the congregation of Fawkeses dispersed into the night.


It is night
Union Bag, Rolf, Turtleneck, and Cardigan: Whom will you scan (by OO name)?
Turtleneck or Cardigan: Will you flee to the Drop Point?
Turtleneck or Cardigan: Will you block anyone (by OO name)?

same info as the last interrogation. Unagi got off easy...maybe he needs a round 2.

Lassr wrote:same info as the last interrogation. Unagi got off easy...maybe he needs a round 2.

Hmmm, that may not be a bad thought. Question is, did Unagi have one of the duplicate clues, or did he submit a duplicate as his fake clue as a KIM agent? Pretty clever if he did...

Not a KIM agent, and I think that would be bone headed of a KIM agent to do - as giving a duplicate would only make people wonder what information he wasn't sharing, etc.

In any case, that's my info, and what's actually funny to me is how I do believe that shows that Qantaga and I are indeed not on the same team.

Unagi wrote:Not a KIM agent, and I think that would be bone headed of a KIM agent to do - as giving a duplicate would only make people wonder what information he wasn't sharing, etc.

Maybe, or maybe that is what a KIM agent wants us to think.

Sorry if I've missed this elsewhere, but can two non-KIM agents wind up with the same fact? Or does this mean that one of Qantaga or Unagi is KIM?

El Guapo wrote:Sorry if I've missed this elsewhere, but can two non-KIM agents wind up with the same fact? Or does this mean that one of Qantaga or Unagi is KIM?

I believe the two overlapping facts are distributed randomly, so it may, or may not go to a KIM agent.

bb2112 wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Sorry if I've missed this elsewhere, but can two non-KIM agents wind up with the same fact? Or does this mean that one of Qantaga or Unagi is KIM?

I believe the two overlapping facts are distributed randomly, so it may, or may not go to a KIM agent.

Here's the rule on duplicates:

(a) There are 20 clues, but only 18 are distinct; two are duplicates of 2 among the 18.
(b) All 20 clues are distributed across the 10 players randomly, with the exception specified below in (c).
(c) Speaking of teams strictly as 4GS, 4BG, and 2KIM, I ensure that none of these three teams has both instances of a duplicated clue. If a team possesses one of a matched pair of clues, then one of the other two teams possesses its twin.

Beyond this constraint, any distribution of clues is possible.

Merry Christmas!

Happy Aftermath!

Awaiting orders, whereupon we'll resume. Some have already filed 'em.

Turn THREE: Morning


Goldman Saxon has 0 correct out of 15.
The Blusterberg Group has 0 correct out of 15.
KIM, Strike Force Umbrage, has 0 correct out of 15.


There are 20 clues in circulation, 2 per player across 10 players.
There are 18 discrete clues and 2 duplicates.
Items revealed through interrogation/torture so far: 1


You've wandered the city streets. You've filed your reports. You've worked some on that novel.

Now it's time to get back to work.
Boilerplate:

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Friday, 30 December 2011.

 interrogate Remus West 
 

Aggregate vote history:
Lassr to interrogate Remus West(1)

Individual vote history:
Lassr : interrogate Remus West

Currently Targeted:
Remus West(1): Lassr

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: bb2112, Chaosraven, El Guapo, Newcastle, Qantaga, Remus West, Scoop20906, stessier, Unagi

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Friday, 30 December 2011[/b].

 stessier 
 

neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

Remus West wrote:neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

are you suggesting Unagi again?

Lassr wrote:

Remus West wrote:neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

are you suggesting Unagi again?

at the very least it is worth talking about rather than jumping straight to the next player.

Aggregate vote history:
Lassr to interrogate Remus West(1)
Newcastle to interrogate stessier(1)

Individual vote history:
Lassr : interrogate Remus West
Newcastle : interrogate stessier

Currently Targeted:
Remus West(1): Lassr
stessier(1): Newcastle

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: bb2112, Chaosraven, El Guapo, Qantaga, Remus West, Scoop20906, stessier, Unagi

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Friday, 30 December 2011[/b].

Remus West wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Remus West wrote:neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

are you suggesting Unagi again?

at the very least it is worth talking about rather than jumping straight to the next player.

So what are your thoughts? Do you want to interrogate Unagi for a second time right now?

Remus West wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Remus West wrote:neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

are you suggesting Unagi again?

at the very least it is worth talking about rather than jumping straight to the next player.

Does that mean then that you will want to do the torture as that is the only way to really know if he is a mole?

Remus West wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Remus West wrote:neither of you interested in mole hunting then I take it.

are you suggesting Unagi again?

at the very least it is worth talking about rather than jumping straight to the next player.

dont see why we cant do both voting & discussing unagi's votes. One other way we can do this, is everyone gets put up to the gallows at least once and from then we can see the duplicates. We know there are 2 sets of duplicates around, there is a chance, slim though that Uunagi's & Q's were the duplicates.

 Remus West 
 


Are we even sure enough people are checking in this week to get us to 6?

 Remus West 
 

Aggregate vote history:
Lassr to interrogate Remus West(1)
Newcastle to interrogate stessier(1)
stessier to interrogate Remus West(2)
bb2112 to interrogate Remus West(3)

Individual vote history:
Lassr : interrogate Remus West
Newcastle : interrogate stessier
stessier : interrogate Remus West
bb2112 : interrogate Remus West

Currently Targeted:
Remus West(3): Lassr, stessier, bb2112
stessier(1): Newcastle

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: Chaosraven, El Guapo, Qantaga, Remus West, Scoop20906, Unagi

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Friday, 30 December 2011.

 interrogate remus 
 
and then we can discuss the merits of torture...

I think we are better off requestioning Unagi but I'm fine with being the one to go under this round as I doubt we have enough people check in during this time frame to do anything else really.

So the only way that Unagi or Qantaga are KIM is if one of them happened to have submitted a fake clue that happened to be true, right? Or possibly intentionally did so in order to mislead, though that doesn't strike me as terribly likely.

El Guapo wrote:So the only way that Unagi or Qantaga are KIM is if one of them happened to have submitted a fake clue that happened to be true, right? Or possibly intentionally did so in order to mislead, though that doesn't strike me as terribly likely.

Unagi and Qantaga could both be KIM and have decided to release a real clue when Q got run up then rerelease it when Unagi got run up. I don;t see that being the case though because I do not see KIM agent Q going after KIM agent Unagi like that. I could see KIM agent Unagi giving us Qantaga's clue again though.

The KIM agents don't know each other, right? So KIM agent Q would have voted for some random dude and vice versa.

 Remus West 
 

Aggregate vote history:
Lassr to interrogate Remus West(1)
Newcastle to interrogate stessier(1)
stessier to interrogate Remus West(2)
bb2112 to interrogate Remus West(3)
Chaosraven to interrogate Remus West(4)
Scoop20906 to interrogate Remus West(5)

Individual vote history:
Lassr : interrogate Remus West
Newcastle : interrogate stessier
stessier : interrogate Remus West
bb2112 : interrogate Remus West
Chaosraven : interrogate Remus West
Scoop20906 : interrogate Remus West

Currently Targeted:
Remus West(5): Lassr, stessier, bb2112, Chaosraven, Scooop20906
stessier(1): Newcastle

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: El Guapo, Qantaga, Remus West, Unagi

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Friday, 30 December 2011.

stessier wrote:The KIM agents don't know each other, right? So KIM agent Q would have voted for some random dude and vice versa.

They don't? I'll need to look at the rules but I thought they did. If they do not then KIM Q could possibly have pushed for KIM Unagi without intent to do so.