Colonial Boardgame Thread: Turn 3 Action 4 Begins

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:32 pm

El Guapo wrote:Gotcha. Lasty, my understanding from the 'initial moves' suggestions is that after we play all four of our face up endeavors, we get a "last chance" move where we can play one of our two remaining cards, right?

Assuming that's right, I am going to move a merchant token onto the black resource.

Correct.

The Netherlands places a token onto the black Resource in Mozambique. They now have 1 Merchant Fleet remaining.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:36 pm

Italy(AL) places 2 Treasury tokens in Egypt, using Viceroy. This breaks the orange Monopoly held by France, moving Italy down to spot three on the Diplomacy track.

The AI chose that spot because The Levant has 1 higher population than Egypt. In fact, if the Scientist is played by Italy next turn and he chooses Logistics, then the AI can get enough tokens on Egpyt to found a Colony next turn. A Colony there would allow Italy to ship 6 goods with Merchant.

End of the 3rd Action phase of Turn 1 Endeavor.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:39 pm

I didn't even realised you wrote server lol

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:47 pm

Turn 1 Endeavor phase - Action 4:

Each player reveals:

Grundbegriff:
Viceroy/Rebel

SpaceLord:
Viceroy/Rebel

Qantaga:
Viceroy/Rebel

Vorret:
Trader/Financier

El Guapo:
Viceroy/Rebel

AI(Italy):
Merchant/Governor

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:47 pm

I'll be changing the spreadsheet to a Google doc today sometime, and will update it here in a bit.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:48 pm

Grund, it's your action.

If you Viceroy into Arabia, that would be enough tokens to Colonize it with Conqueror on a future action. However, The Levant has no tokens, and can be also claimed with just Viceroy. This would give you another resource to ship with Merchant later.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:01 pm

Let's see....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
SpaceLord wrote:Another note on money: Players can trade only Treasury during the game. Deals made for the future are not binding.
What does "trade only Treasury" reference? And what does your warning mean?

Is this in regard to a particular part of the rules, or to house rules?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:11 pm

I'll use my Viceroy to claim the Levant.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:16 pm

SpaceLord wrote:Turn 1 Endeavor phase - Action 1:

Action 4, I think.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:13 pm

Is there still room for 1 more?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:16 pm

Benvenuta, Italia!

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:41 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
SpaceLord wrote:Another note on money: Players can trade only Treasury during the game. Deals made for the future are not binding.
What does "trade only Treasury" reference? And what does your warning mean?

Is this in regard to a particular part of the rules, or to house rules?

When I said trade, I meant outside of normal actions. Trading to and from the Market via the Merchant and Trader are normal actions.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:44 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Is there still room for 1 more?

Sure! Do we think Isg should be able to play the 4th action for the Italians?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:49 pm

I don't see why not.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:51 pm

SpaceLord wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Is there still room for 1 more?
Sure! Do we think Isg should be able to play the 4th action for the Italians?

Absolutely.

Welcome aboard Issy!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:07 am

Tell you what. Finish out the turn and let me get a good review of the rules in, and I'll jump in for Italy on turn 2.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:41 am

I will put two tokens from my Treasury into Angola, for a total of 3.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:41 am

Google Docs spreadsheet is here, updated through my action on the 4th action on Turn 1 Endeavor

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:47 am

Game Status, Turn 1, Endeavor Phase 4.3

Google Docs Record Sheet : HERE

France - Grundbegriff
Treasury: 10
Merchant Fleets: 1
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 2
Prestige:1
Debt: 10
Monopolies: 0

Portugal - SpaceLord
Treasury: 9
Merchant Fleets: 1
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 1
Prestige:1
Debt: 10
Monopolies: 0

Spain - Vorret
Treasury: 1
Merchant Fleets: 1
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 2
Prestige:1
Debt: 0
Monopolies: 1

England - Qantaga
Treasury: 12
Merchant Fleets: 1
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 1
Prestige:0
Debt: 10
Monopolies: 1

Dutch - El Guapo
Treasury: 11
Merchant Fleets: 1
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 1
Prestige:1
Debt: 10
Monopolies: 0

Italy - Isgrimnur
Treasury: 9
Merchant Fleets: 2
Naval Forces: 1
Resources: 1
Prestige:0
Debt: 10

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:54 am

Qantaga, it's your action. You can play Viceroy in any Explored territory, placing 1 Treasury there.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:57 am

SpaceLord wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
SpaceLord wrote:Another note on money: Players can trade only Treasury during the game. Deals made for the future are not binding.
What does "trade only Treasury" reference? And what does your warning mean?

Is this in regard to a particular part of the rules, or to house rules?
When I said trade, I meant outside of normal actions. Trading to and from the Market via the Merchant and Trader are normal actions.

Yes, but remember that we know nothing. Are you saying that there are house rules that allow some sort of off-the-books bartering among nations?

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:10 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Yes, but remember that we know nothing. Are you saying that there are house rules that allow some sort of off-the-books bartering among nations?

Re-designed rulebook, page 16, describes bartering among players. The Revised Edition will also include the rule.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:27 am

SpaceLord wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Yes, but remember that we know nothing. Are you saying that there are house rules that allow some sort of off-the-books bartering among nations?
Re-designed rulebook, page 16, describes bartering among players. We're using that rule.

I see it now.
So you mean we can be all, "Hey, mate! Spot me a Franklin?" and that's kosher?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:51 am

England plays the Viceroy into the East Indies.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:56 am

Can't open the google doc

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:06 am

Vorret wrote:Can't open the google doc

That's strange. It's opening for me. Does it seem to be a security block of some sort?

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:18 am

El Guapo, you can place two Treasury tokens on any Explored territory with your Viceroy, instead of one because you improved Logistics. What'll it be?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:18 am

We're sorry.

The spreadsheet at this URL could not be found. Make sure that you have the right URL and that the owner of the spreadsheet hasn't deleted it.

It opened at home this morning, very weird.
Maybe google hates IE, I'll try with Chrome in a bit.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:22 am

I found the problem.

Use this link:

SpaceLord wrote:Google Docs spreadsheet is here, updated through my action on the 4th action on Turn 1 Endeavor

NOT this link:

SpaceLord wrote:Google Docs Record Sheet : HERE

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:22 am

ah, that one works indeed, thanks!

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:05 am

Vorret wrote:ah, that one works indeed, thanks!

Sorry, I cleaned up the file and gave it a name later, and it changed the working link.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:16 am

SpaceLord wrote:El Guapo, you can place two Treasury tokens on any Explored territory with your Viceroy, instead of one because you improved Logistics. What'll it be?

The Netherlands will put two tokens from my treasury into Mozambique.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:18 am

I'm at the spot where I'm the most confused...

If I play my financier I get a 10 token debt and add 10 to my treasury.
What happend if I play my Trader instead?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:19 am

Trader moves goods from the market to treasury (after you have used merchant to move goods from your territories to your market). Since nobody has moved any goods to market yet, the trader (as I understand it) would do nothing currently.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:21 am

Another question: I was reading the rulebook this morning, and the war discussion was confusing. The rules just say to conduct a land war (where the two powers share territory) and then a naval war. But the example in the margins also refers to a trade war and a European front war (fought using treasury tokens).

Is there a European front or a trade front to a war (per the example) or is there just a land and naval war (per the rules text)?

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:36 am

Italy has chosen Merchant. Our first trading action!

Italy has two Merchant Fleets, and no Colonies. Therefore, they may ship two goods to Market. Italy controls one resource themselves, so they place 1 token from their stockpile onto the Market space. They want to ship other player's goods, so they'll choose randomly, and make an offer.

Qantaga! Italy would like to ship your Resource to market. If you agree, you gain 1 Treasury from your stockpile, and Italy would gain 1 token in the Market, to be Trader-ed later.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:37 am

El Guapo wrote:Another question: I was reading the rulebook this morning, and the war discussion was confusing. The rules just say to conduct a land war (where the two powers share territory) and then a naval war. But the example in the margins also refers to a trade war and a European front war (fought using treasury tokens).

Is there a European front or a trade front to a war (per the example) or is there just a land and naval war (per the rules text)?

The official rulebook was version 1. War was horribly broken before, and now only occurs on Land and Sea.

SpaceLord · Post by **SpaceLord** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:38 am

El Guapo wrote:Trader moves goods from the market to treasury (after you have used merchant to move goods from your territories to your market). Since nobody has moved any goods to market yet, the trader (as I understand it) would do nothing currently.

Right, it would have no effect. Sorry I skipped your turn, but there's only one option that has any effect from your chosen card.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:49 pm

SpaceLord wrote: Qantaga! Italy would like to ship your Resource to market. If you agree, you gain 1 Treasury from your stockpile, and Italy would gain 1 token in the Market, to be Trader-ed later.

Considering...

SpaceLord, does that mean it would be removing the marker my Viceroy just played into the East Indies or is it just a 1 Treasury gain because I have the Spices and I got the luck of the draw?