[WW] -The Pirates of the Flying Octopi - Pirates win

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:18 pm

bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think is evil?

I want to hear from Scoop, and then I will do my big reveal. Not that I am usually right, I am almost always wrong..

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:42 pm

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think is evil?
I want to hear from Scoop, and then I will do my big reveal. Not that I am usually right, I am almost always wrong..

Big reveal? On Day One?? Okay.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:50 pm

theohall wrote:
RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think is evil?
I want to hear from Scoop, and then I will do my big reveal. Not that I am usually right, I am almost always wrong..

Big reveal? On Day One?? Okay.

A joke, as I have no big reveal... I have nothing really.. And when I think I have something, I am 99.9% of the time wrong. <shrug>

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:51 pm

Collating posts...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:12 am

Ok, these are more just comments on what I have seen so far in the game an also reactions to my "Slip" and subsequent "Hissy Fit".

Ok.

#1. Why Theo Why?

theohall wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Time to poke the innocents...ikfj dsfsd dslfs; nfasd fasd;jf nsakd gibberish I know what I did there..d;lkjfsafasdf. GIBreaertaaaBERISH srtrset. . . GrtaretaeaIBBERISH . . . .

BB2112

FYI Holman.... This is an example of a slip. Villagers (Pirates in this case) are supposed to poke the silents. When someone says time to poke the innocents, they are inadvertently admitting they are wolves.

withdraw Remus West

Scoop20906

While you may be a character, Scoop, this looks like a major faux pas.

As far as I can tell, Theohall has yet to back away from this position however he has been very low key about it. Is it possible Theohall really believe it is a "major faux pas"? With Theo, yes it is. However, I'm slightly inclined to believe instead he was testing Holman's reaction.

#2. Theohall and Remus.

theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:So theohall is allowed to make fun of me with "the only good Remus" comments but Scoop is not allowed to mock my famous slip?
Remus, are you defending Scoop on Day One when no one has died???? Why???

To me, it reads like Theo is joking with Remus. Also, looks like Theo is bored with Day One and wants to mix things up just to get things moving.

OK, enough about that because this is really run of the mill stuff and ultimately so boring I'm surprised I took the time to post it. But, the reactions to my Hissy Fit give actual info!

Scoop20906 wrote:First off, my post was completely a joke anybody who read it should be able figure that out. Also While network I don't have access so I can't defend myself and then suddenly I have four votes on me because it's nothing.

Scoop20906 wrote: scoop20906

Aargh. Just irritating.

And here is my analysis of the response:

El Guapo - a genuine reaction thinking I'm really freaking out.
RMC - RMC pokes fun at my Hissy Fit
Vorret - another seemly genuine reaction.
Mr Bubbles - an annoyed genuine reaction
RMC - RMC again poking fun at my Hissy Fit.
Lassr - Lasse makes a wise crack about PMS. IT IS NOT MY TIME OF THE MONTH!!!
BB2112 - BB makes a genuine post about what a little bitch I was acting like.
RMC - RMC slyly points out that maybe I'm doing this on purpose.
Theohall - Theo makes an effort to paint me evil with his "poke the innocents" comment. He really doesn't know how to let go of something, does he?
BB2112 - BB relaxes, seems real genuine here.
Qantaga - The Q pops up and recaps (thanks for the kind words, btw).

Ok, thats pretty much it. So, does anything catch anyone's eye about that sequence of events?

For the most part I read everyone's reaction to my Hissy Fit as genuine, EXCEPT for one person. That one person seemed awfully amused by my irritation and almost seemed to "know" that I was faking it. That kind of confidence stinks of knowledge. And why kind of people have knowledge in these games? Usually the bad ones.

I'm voting RMC today unless convinced otherwise.

RMC

And don't think I don't have my eyes on your other pirates either.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:16 am

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think is evil?
I want to hear from Scoop, and then I will do my big reveal. Not that I am usually right, I am almost always wrong..

I have a feeling that this time if you "wanted" to give us a wolf, you would be right.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:01 am

That was very well done, Scoop.

withdraw Scoop

RMC

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:25 am

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:35 am

Well, that is one vote I can't follow you in Scoop, as I am not a wolf.

<sigh> I see I have once again, gotten myself painted as the wrong thing by my flippant comments.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:05 am

RMC wrote:Well, that is one vote I can't follow you in Scoop, as I am not a wolf.

<sigh> I see I have once again, gotten myself painted as the wrong thing by my flippant comments.

Actually, I'm not convinced about you...yet, so I won't be adding vote. I actually like my vote where it is at..

I could actually be convinced to vote for bb2112...

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:28 am

Well, that changes things....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:46 am

RMC wrote:Well, that is one vote I can't follow you in Scoop, as I am not a wolf.

so if you were a wolf would you then follow his vote?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:51 am

Lassr wrote:
RMC wrote:Well, that is one vote I can't follow you in Scoop, as I am not a wolf.

so if you were a wolf would you then follow his vote?

He's an honest man. If he found a wolf, including himself, he would vote for him.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:02 am

theohall makes an early joke vote (me) then latches onto his early bone (Scoop) then switches to follow that player's vote? In anyone else that wouldn't mean much to me on day 1. From theohall it is out of character.

theohall

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:04 am

pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....

Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: ??

Event Causing Change: ??

New State: ??

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:08 am

Remus West wrote:theohall makes an early joke vote (me) then latches onto his early bone (Scoop) then switches to follow that player's vote? In anyone else that wouldn't mean much to me on day 1. From theohall it is out of character.

theohall

Is it really? I just read him as bored. What do we usually get out of him?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:08 am

So first

Withdraw Qantaga

Still not Mr. Talky Talky, but his post was pretty well reasoned.

Not really buying Scoop as a target. Seems pretty normal and doing his Scoop schtick to get information and draw out wolves. That in turns perhaps points potentially towards Theohall as Remus says. But at the same time, Theo's actions seem more like a typical Theosity than wolf activity.

I suppose I'm still perplexed / intrigued by

pr0ner

Seems like either he's bored by the typical day one mess (understandable) OR perhaps he's intentionally trying to fly under the radar. Maybe let's get more info on that.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:09 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: No underwear

Event Causing Change: Getting underwear

New State: Wearing underwear

Just a guess.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:11 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:theohall makes an early joke vote (me) then latches onto his early bone (Scoop) then switches to follow that player's vote? In anyone else that wouldn't mean much to me on day 1. From theohall it is out of character.

theohall

Is it really? I just read him as bored. What do we usually get out of him?

One vote held in place, in spite of all arguments to the contrary, for about the first 2 days of the game.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:11 am

[just mixing it up with some flavor text because nothing has happened yet]

AAArrrrrgh, me hearties! We have ar'selves in a pickle, 'n no mistake!

<brandishes sword> Now then, why don't we come t' the quick of it. Night's fallin' soon, and soon enough ther'll be evil spirits about, ar'll warrant, if that dead man spoke true.

Now I've misplaced me watch--ye all know it, tha' fine golden timepiece I cut offa tha' fine merchant we visited a' the last moon.

One of you bilge rats tell me the time! And giv' me back me watch!

[/just mixing it up with some flavor text because nothing has happened yet]

I'm sticking my my Scoop vote not out of malice but because it has to be *somebody*. I'm open to arguments from more experienced players, although I'm not certain whether to trust them.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:17 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:theohall makes an early joke vote (me) then latches onto his early bone (Scoop) then switches to follow that player's vote? In anyone else that wouldn't mean much to me on day 1. From theohall it is out of character.

theohall

Is it really? I just read him as bored. What do we usually get out of him?

I find theohall's behavior odd also, the problem being it has been odd in many games and he ends up being nothing but a villager.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:25 am

theohall wrote:That was very well done, Scoop.

withdraw Scoop

RMC

That does it. No one gives Scoop a compliment on my watch.

withdraw tru1cy

theohall

Seriously, theohall is weird. Not the usual bulldog.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:34 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: ??

Event Causing Change: ??

New State: ??

Well, it was fascinating to me that Theohall went from going typical Theo bulldog style against you for your "poke the innocents" comment to agreeing with your rationale for voting for RMC. So, I went from thinking Theo was just being Theo to wondering why he would be so apt to change his mind about you.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:35 am

And, it appears I'm not the only one to think that way.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:37 am

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:theohall makes an early joke vote (me) then latches onto his early bone (Scoop) then switches to follow that player's vote? In anyone else that wouldn't mean much to me on day 1. From theohall it is out of character.

theohall

Is it really? I just read him as bored. What do we usually get out of him?
I find theohall's behavior odd also, the problem being it has been odd in many games and he ends up being nothing but a villager.

This is my thinking. Now, I do see the point that theo's odd behavior is different from his typical odd behavior (which tends to be a bit more Crusader-ish). But then, there's this odd WW view where any deviation from past behavior is deemed to be suspicious, when it's also consistent with learning.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:56 am

pr0ner wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: ??

Event Causing Change: ??

New State: ??
Well, it was fascinating to me that Theohall went from going typical Theo bulldog style against you for your "poke the innocents" comment to agreeing with your rationale for voting for RMC. So, I went from thinking Theo was just being Theo to wondering why he would be so apt to change his mind about you.

and this is what is causing my uneasiness. Theohall usually keeps his vote on someone, come hell or high water, and presses that person for an entire round or two. Not only did he back off Scoop quickly, he actually joined Scoop's crusade.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:06 pm

A diversion?
Ohhhhh

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:37 pm

Votes -

Scoop (1) - Holman,
Qantaga (1)- Mr. Bubbles,
Holman (2)- Truicy, Vorret,
Theohall (1) - Qantaga,
RMC (2) - Scoop, Theohall,
Theohall (2) - Remus West, Lagom Lite,
Proner (1) - El Guapo,

Majority is 8

No Votes Cast - Proner, Lassr, RMC, BB2112,

If I missed anything or if there any corrections to be made, please let me know.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:13 pm

Lassr wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: ??

Event Causing Change: ??

New State: ??
Well, it was fascinating to me that Theohall went from going typical Theo bulldog style against you for your "poke the innocents" comment to agreeing with your rationale for voting for RMC. So, I went from thinking Theo was just being Theo to wondering why he would be so apt to change his mind about you.
and this is what is causing my uneasiness. Theohall usually keeps his vote on someone, come hell or high water, and presses that person for an entire round or two. Not only did he back off Scoop quickly, he actually joined Scoop's crusade.

Please... go look at my Day One track record. It's all over the map. Now, when we have more information to go on...yes, I tend to have blinders then. Like right now, I believe Scoop to be right. All of the comments he made about the reactions of others to his post seem to be spot on and the only one acting like they "know" something is RMC.

Knowing we have three bad guys, I suspect either Remus West or Lagom Lite is one of the others - mostly triggercut principle - but why aren't these two actually considering what Scoop seemed to find?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:34 pm

Who said anything about not considering what Scoop said? I did. I actually think there is a little something there. I think there is a whole lot less there then in your behavior. See, the thing is I really feel you are acting out of character and have been but I felt it wasn't enough until you moved to follow Scoop.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:46 pm

Remus West wrote:Who said anything about not considering what Scoop said? I did. I actually think there is a little something there. I think there is a whole lot less there then in your behavior. See, the thing is I really feel you are acting out of character and have been but I felt it wasn't enough until you moved to follow Scoop.

Then I would suggest you quit feeling and rely on what looks like the best evidence available on Day One. Hopefully, that will actually net us a wolf. But if you would rather be feely, go right ahead.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:10 pm

Maybe I am acting on the triggercut principle, but Theohall has me in his gunsights. I am not a wolf, and he will stay on me like a bulldog for the rest of the game.

So TheoHall

<shrug> I am willing to switch, as I think Theo is acting a little different, but not that much of a difference really, but it is day one.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:14 pm

theohall wrote:
Please... go look at my Day One track record. It's all over the map. Now, when we have more information to go on...yes, I tend to have blinders then. Like right now, I believe Scoop to be right. All of the comments he made about the reactions of others to his post seem to be spot on and the only one acting like they "know" something is RMC.

RMC is the only one that mentions it in the thread. I suspected Scoop was up to something also because that "hissy fit" was a bit out of character. Now, on the other hand, IF I suspect that someone is setting a trap, I as a villager will not post I think it's a trap. All that does is destroy any chance the trap may work. So I wonder if a lot of us thought Scoop was up to something and only RMC posted it.

THAT is where I wonder about RMC. Why give away the fact that you think Scoop is up to something and warn the wolves unless you are a wolf.

But how many times have villagers noted someone is up to something out of innocence/ignorance. A bunch.

So your flip flopping and RMC's announcement that Scoop could be up to something are the two big pieces if info I am working with right now. Nothing else has stood out to me.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:20 pm

So, let me get this straight Mr. Helpful-Lassr, you think that a potential wolf-RMC posted that Scoop was up to something - in game thread - to warn the other wolves away from the bait? Is that correct?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:21 pm

Lassr wrote:
theohall wrote:
Please... go look at my Day One track record. It's all over the map. Now, when we have more information to go on...yes, I tend to have blinders then. Like right now, I believe Scoop to be right. All of the comments he made about the reactions of others to his post seem to be spot on and the only one acting like they "know" something is RMC.
RMC is the only one that mentions it in the thread. I suspected Scoop was up to something also because that "hissy fit" was a bit out of character. Now, on the other hand, IF I suspect that someone is setting a trap, I as a villager will not post I think it's a trap. All that does is destroy any chance the trap may work. So I wonder if a lot of us thought Scoop was up to something and only RMC posted it.

THAT is where I wonder about RMC. Why give away the fact that you think Scoop is up to something and warn the wolves unless you are a wolf.

But how many times have villagers noted someone is up to something out of innocence/ignorance. A bunch.

So your flip flopping and RMC's announcement that Scoop could be up to something are the two big pieces if info I am working with right now. Nothing else has stood out to me.

Just to point out, I am just finishing the thoughts of others at that day/time. I think BB was the one that asked the question if scoop could be up to something.. I don't have time to go back and look, but I think it was him.

I guess in hindsight I shouldn't have said anything, but sheesh, it was kind of easy to see if you had ever played with scoop before.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:39 pm

Remus West wrote:So, let me get this straight Mr. Helpful-Lassr, you think that a potential wolf-RMC posted that Scoop was up to something - in game thread - to warn the other wolves away from the bait? Is that correct?

No, that he says that because he's not thinking like a villager but like a wolf acting helpful.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:41 pm

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: scoop20906

Aargh. Just irritating.
Wow. That is a total overreaction. I got the joke. I was playing along to see who else would follow. Theohall looks pretty suspicious. Not only does he follow, but he labels your innocent comment as a slip. But then you do this. Aren't you a little experienced to throw a tantrum and self vote? Especially on day one?
Don't you think this might be calculated to see whom does what? Hmmmm......

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:41 pm

RMC wrote: I think BB was the one that asked the question if scoop could be up to something.. I don't have time to go back and look, but I think it was him.

see above post

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:44 pm

Remus West wrote:So, let me get this straight Mr. Helpful-Lassr, you think that a potential wolf-RMC posted that Scoop was up to something - in game thread - to warn the other wolves away from the bait? Is that correct?

and yes, I do see what you are implying there. Am I being helpful? Imagine that.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:18 pm

Lassr wrote:
Remus West wrote:So, let me get this straight Mr. Helpful-Lassr, you think that a potential wolf-RMC posted that Scoop was up to something - in game thread - to warn the other wolves away from the bait? Is that correct?
and yes, I do see what you are implying there. Am I being helpful? Imagine that.

What?
He asks all innocent like, knowing full well what he had implied.