The Hunter Biden Investigation

[Kraken]

I wonder how many Americans know that our post-pandemic economic performance is by all measures (including inflation) the best in the world.

55% in a recent poll said the US is currently in a recession and a similar number believe that unemployment is at a historic high. So, not many, I'll wager. But we already knew that a substantial number are willingly living in an alternate reality.

I see HCR's "Letters from an American" on Facebook every day. If you don't want to follow her there, I'm pretty sure you can subscribe by email. She writes kind of long so one a day is plenty for me, and of course each day's post is topical.

[em2nought]

With Dr. Jill sitting there in the courtroom, I don't know why any of you would even be worried about what this verdict will be.

[hepcat]

Good on you. You admit she has a doctorate. Just like Dr. Melania….oh….wait.

[waitingtoconnect]

It’s not the numbers it’s how people feel. With rents going up and cost of living increases people feel poorer.

The court cases against trump and in the media hogging all the news makes people think that’s all the democrats care about and that they are ignoring cost of living.

We have seen in the recent elections in Australia, South Africa and India and soon the Uk what that costs a governing party. And most people being civics failures see that as the democrats and Presidents role alone even though it’s in combination with Congress that he’s supposed to govern overseen by the department of justice.

That’s why for a lot of people Biden cancelled roe v wade and Biden couldn’t stop immigration and Biden is prosecuting Trump.

[Isgrimnur]

[ImLawBoy]

It’s not the numbers it’s how people feel. With rents going up and cost of living increases people feel poorer.

The court cases against trump and in the media hogging all the news makes people think that’s all the democrats care about and that they are ignoring cost of living.

We have seen in the recent elections in Australia, South Africa and India and soon the Uk what that costs a governing party. And most people being civics failures see that as the democrats and Presidents role alone even though it’s in combination with Congress that he’s supposed to govern overseen by the department of justice.

That’s why for a lot of people Biden cancelled roe v wade and Biden couldn’t stop immigration and Biden is prosecuting Trump.

And that's why I'm considering not voting for Biden! Poor Democratic messaging means they don't deserve my vote and the democracy should fail!

[Unagi]

Right!

Thank you for making this point just the way I like points made... with massive sarcasm.

[ImLawBoy]

I think I'm subconsciously preparing for the twins hitting double digits next month by upping my snark game. I'm going to need to be on my toes!

[GreenGoo]

It's possible for the economy to be booming AND for the average American to still have trouble making ends meet. When media is talking economy they aren't talking about average household purchasing power.

However, the way to fix that is by deregulating and reducing taxes on corporations. I mean, obviously.

[hepcat]

I think I'm subconsciously preparing for the twins hitting double digits next month by upping my snark game. I'm going to need to be on my toes!

We want updates every time they take you down.

[ImLawBoy]

The weird thing is, one of the best things to help with the housing issue is a form of deregulation - as in, getting rid of the zoning laws that are preventing the building of affordable housing. Of course, that's not the type of deregulation folks are talking about, and it's an issue on both the left (not so much the far left) and the right. Not In My BackYard!

[ImLawBoy]

I think I'm subconsciously preparing for the twins hitting double digits next month by upping my snark game. I'm going to need to be on my toes!

We want updates every time they take you down.

I'll probably need to create a new subforum.

[LordMortis]

I think I'm subconsciously preparing for the twins hitting double digits next month by upping my snark game. I'm going to need to be on my toes!

We want updates every time they take you down.

I'll probably need to create a new subforum.

Will that be a sport?

[Kurth]

Reading updates from the Hunter Biden trial, I'm still kind of blown away that this is something the DOJ decided was worth prosecuting. The crime is lying on a form when he purchased a gun and declared he was not addicted to drugs or alcohol. I mean, how often is someone who didn't commit any crime related to the gun ownership other than lying on that form prosecuted for this offense?

I also still can't figure out why the plea deal collapsed and couldn't be renegotiated. Why would Biden want to go to court on these charges? The prosecution's case against him seems pretty air-tight to me.

[hepcat]

I dislike Hunter Biden. I think he's kind of scumbag. But this shouldn't have been something for the DOJ.

[waitingtoconnect]

Reading updates from the Hunter Biden trial, I'm still kind of blown away that this is something the DOJ decided was worth prosecuting. The crime is lying on a form when he purchased a gun and declared he was not addicted to drugs or alcohol. I mean, how often is someone who didn't commit any crime related to the gun ownership other than lying on that form prosecuted for this offense?

I also still can't figure out why the plea deal collapsed and couldn't be renegotiated. Why would Biden want to go to court on these charges? The prosecution's case against him seems pretty air-tight to me.

At least it’s going to be a largely democrat jury in a Democrat state that will doing that conviction. So no bias can be alleged.

Also he was going to plead guilty and the jury know it. He will definitely face more jail time than trump.

I just look forward to the contortions from the Maga senators like Tom Cotton did recently when he said that Senator Menedenz of NJ was innocent and only be prosecuted because he had been critical of Biden.

By that logical hunter is only being prosecuted because he’s upset dear old dad.

I dislike Hunter Biden. I think he's kind of scumbag. But this shouldn't have been something for the DOJ.

A lot of the doj are holdouts from Bill Barrs time when politically motivated prosecutions were the rage. They’d get Hunter for downloading music on Napster over twenty years ago or running a red light.

I think I'm subconsciously preparing for the twins hitting double digits next month by upping my snark game. I'm going to need to be on my toes!

Here’s to democracy for all our kids! And to your kids having the right to exercise their right to free speech under the first amendment. (Like my daughters do!)

And that's why I'm considering not voting for Biden! Poor Democratic messaging means they don't deserve my vote and the democracy should fail!

I’ll admit I have my doubts about Biden but he’s the only choice like it or not and there is no magical Josiah Bartlett on the horizon (and even if there was it wouldn’t change Trump). As for messaging if not trying to stop this trial is not enough messaging about respect for the rule of law…

[YellowKing]

So no bias can be alleged.

Oh they're already alleging it. Fox News talking head was upset because she claims 8 of the jurors had experience with addiction in their family. As if the jury was hand-picked solely by the defense.

[waitingtoconnect]

So no bias can be alleged.

Oh they're already alleging it. Fox News talking head was upset because she claims 8 of the jurors had experience with addiction in their family. As if the jury was hand-picked solely by the defense.

Demonising of addiction is common on Fox as a weakness.

Addiction is a scourge in most countries. It’s highly likely that 8 in 12 randomly selected individuals would have experience of addiction in their close or extended families.

1 in 10 have lost a family member to overdose.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/heal ... index.html

2 in 3 have had their family impacted by addiction.

https://www.kff.org/report-section/kff- ... -findings/

Remember stopping a dangerous reformed drug addict and throwing them in jail is much more important than stopping a guy who is trying to end democracy.

[gbasden]

The weird thing is, one of the best things to help with the housing issue is a form of deregulation - as in, getting rid of the zoning laws that are preventing the building of affordable housing. Of course, that's not the type of deregulation folks are talking about, and it's an issue on both the left (not so much the far left) and the right. Not In My BackYard!

I know it's off topic, but for me absolutely yes in my backyard! California is horrible about building enough housing, especially dense housing. I was really irritated when the last proposition that would have overridden local zoning ordinances failed.

[Alefroth]

So no bias can be alleged.

Oh they're already alleging it. Fox News talking head was upset because she claims 8 of the jurors had experience with addiction in their family. As if the jury was hand-picked solely by the defense.

When they asked the jury pool that question, so many people raised their hands that they couldn't eliminate them all.

[Smoove_B]

I am so confused that the usual suspects aren't losing their minds over a courtroom questioning Hunter Biden's right to own firearms. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, am I right?

[Kraken]

The weird thing is, one of the best things to help with the housing issue is a form of deregulation - as in, getting rid of the zoning laws that are preventing the building of affordable housing. Of course, that's not the type of deregulation folks are talking about, and it's an issue on both the left (not so much the far left) and the right. Not In My BackYard!

I know it's off topic, but for me absolutely yes in my backyard! California is horrible about building enough housing, especially dense housing. I was really irritated when the last proposition that would have overridden local zoning ordinances failed.

Same in MA, where the state is trying to override centuries of home rule tradition to mandate rezoning near transit hubs to address our huge housing shortage. Most cities and towns are complying, after a fashion, but some are fighting it. Too complicated to go into details in this thread though.

[Kurth]

I am so confused that the usual suspects aren't losing their minds over a courtroom questioning Hunter Biden's right to own firearms. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, am I right?

Some people do not get the irony (hypocrisy) in the GOP pushing to have Hunter jailed because he was trying to exercise his 2A rights . . .

[Blackhawk]

I, however, wholeheartedly disagree with you on just about everything you said about Obama. I felt he did FAR more than you give him credit for, and that you slight him for things that would gain most Dem presidents accolades. I find it rather baffling, to be honest.

I agree. The fact that much of what he accomplished was later sabotaged - mostly out of spite - doesn't change the fact that he accomplished it.

[milo]

I also still can't figure out why the plea deal collapsed and couldn't be renegotiated. Why would Biden want to go to court on these charges? The prosecution's case against him seems pretty air-tight to me.

As I recall it, Biden said, "OK, if I plead guilty to this and accept fair punishment then we're done here, right?" And the DOJ said, "Nope. We're going to continue to investigate you and see what else we can charge you with later." At that point, there was no benefit to Biden accepting the deal, except for him not having to pay lawyers to defend him on the current charge.

[Kraken]

I am so confused that the usual suspects aren't losing their minds over a courtroom questioning Hunter Biden's right to own firearms. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, am I right?

Some people do not get the irony (hypocrisy) in the GOP pushing to have Hunter jailed because he was trying to exercise his 2A rights . . .

On the flip side, this reinforces their position that gun regulation is puppies.

[waitingtoconnect]

I am so confused that the usual suspects aren't losing their minds over a courtroom questioning Hunter Biden's right to own firearms. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, am I right?

Some people do not get the irony (hypocrisy) in the GOP pushing to have Hunter jailed because he was trying to exercise his 2A rights . . .

On the flip side, this reinforces their position that gun regulation is puppies.

Puppies in a gravel pit…

[Kurth]

I also still can't figure out why the plea deal collapsed and couldn't be renegotiated. Why would Biden want to go to court on these charges? The prosecution's case against him seems pretty air-tight to me.

As I recall it, Biden said, "OK, if I plead guilty to this and accept fair punishment then we're done here, right?" And the DOJ said, "Nope. We're going to continue to investigate you and see what else we can charge you with later." At that point, there was no benefit to Biden accepting the deal, except for him not having to pay lawyers to defend him on the current charge.

Not sure I’m on board with that analysis: The fact that the DOJ had other pending investigations and wouldn’t do a global plea deal certainly made that deal less attractive, but was it so much less attractive to Hunter that it made sense to have him try the case on the gun charge and air all his dirty laundry about his affairs and the strippers and the crack pipes and all that?

I mean, I guess that stuff was all out there anyway, but if I were him, I might have been keen to not have a headline grabbing trial where it was thrust into the headlines again. Especially when my chances of beating the charges seem slim to none.

[Holman]

Biden today announced that he would not pardon his son if he is found guilty.

What the hell? Does he not even know how to President right??

[Smoove_B]

If only the DOJ knew of a another President's son that was really into owning guns and apparently in the throes of drug addiction.

[Smoove_B]

Convicted on all three federal charges.

A federal jury has convicted Hunter Biden on all three federal felony gun charges he faced, concluding that he violated laws meant to prevent drug addicts from owning firearms.

[Skinypupy]

Biden's sure doing a shitty job of weaponizing the DOJ.

[LordMortis]

I'm sure it's just for appearances. Because people in their 80s are all about keeping up appearances to maintain power when it comes to family.

[Smoove_B]

Would love to be a fly on the wall in SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED circles today.

[LordMortis]

Would love to be a fly on the wall in SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED circles today.

The 3% didn't want him anyway. They're already at their quota. Now if he'da really proved himself by going to out and shooting and killing "a looter" then we could talk.

[Kurth]

Interesting that Republicans like Lindsey Graham and Trey Gowdy are saying the prosecution of Hunter Biden on these gun charges is bullshit . . . Strange times we live in.

[Smoove_B]

They're probably responding to all the federal cases against similar defendants each year - how out of control prosecution is and that our prison system is filled with people like Hunter Biden.

[$iljanus]

Now we can move on to more serious matters like the Burisma payoffs and Democratic election fraud.

[Carpet_pissr]

Now we can move on to more serious matters like the Burisma payoffs and Democratic election fraud.

I think it’s time to get back to Hillary’s emails. The Biden Deep State has buried that hot one for far too long.

[em2nought]

Wow, Hunter gets sacrificed for some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.