Scooby's Werewolf Village - Game Over

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:16 pm

Unagi wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:I do say I have to thank Stessier. The knowledge and acknowledgment of roles has been a tremendous help to the wolves. *bows* You my dear sir are a saint and angel. You will go into the annals of history as a wonderful seer.
Or maybe there is no weredog. Eh?

Just saying.

Avoid Bahktosh problem solved. Besides there are so many other proven roles that are ripe and juicy. Perfect to be picked.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:24 pm

Chaosraven wrote:stessier - not sure it is up to me. If - wanted it public this would be the time

I disagree. There is no point at all to you not disclosing the identity.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:40 pm

stessier wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:stessier - not sure it is up to me. If - wanted it public this would be the time
I disagree. There is no point at all to you not disclosing the identity.

I believe you're right, as theohall was a Wolf, then the wolves already know. It would make sense for the rest of the village to know.

Although I already answered you

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:43 pm

General Bubbles wrote:I am constant as the northern star...

Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.: I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:46 pm

Mr Laraven wrote:
General Bubbles wrote:I am constant as the northern star...
Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.: I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

God darnit, Mr. Laraven, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:48 pm

Stessier is right chaos.

If he contacted theo night 1, as theo says, then the wolves know. Keeping his identity a secret now...

1) There is no whore and theo was making it up

2) You want him all for yourself....

All the power to ya I guess, he's known to the wolves... Just thought someone needed to point this out.

I know you like playing games and riding the razorz edge, but somehow I dont think you've been quite evil enough to keep up with 2 or 3 people

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:48 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Mr Laraven wrote:
General Bubbles wrote:I am constant as the northern star...
Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.: I'd give real money if he'd shut up.
God darnit, Mr. Laraven, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

"He's got a purdy mouth...."

"Can ya squeal like a pig for me, boy?"

*shudder*

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:49 pm

Semaj wrote:Stessier is right chaos.

If he contacted theo night 1, as theo says, then the wolves know. Keeping his identity a secret now...

1) There is no whore and theo was making it up

2) You want him all for yourself....

All the power to ya I guess, he's known to the wolves... Just thought someone needed to point this out.

I know you like playing games and riding the razorz edge, but somehow I dont think you've been quite evil enough to keep up with 2 or 3 people

maybe they formed a permanent partnership and are meeting every single night. I would understand why Chaos wouldn't want to share.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:54 pm

Well, let's see... since they know who she is, they have the option of killing her anyway.
Or they can randomly pop others in the hopes of catching her in their bed.

I don't need to be evil, the wolvieses thinks of us as "untouchable"

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:04 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Well, let's see... since they know who she is, they have the option of killing her anyway.
Or they can randomly pop others in the hopes of catching her in their bed.

I don't need to be evil, the wolvieses thinks of us as "untouchable"

You are correct, but I don't think for the reasons you are thinking.

She or err he... gave you a special gift.. a gift that keeps on giving. I'm not sure any of us want to catch it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:45 pm

Ok then.

The Whore should definitely visit Bubbles tonight.

Let me see if I can pull some thoughts together.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:27 pm

stessier wrote:Ok then.

The Whore should definitely visit Bubbles tonight.

Let me see if I can pull some thoughts together.

Wait, I missed it - were you told who the whore was or not?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:28 pm

I'm betting the whore was Grund.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:48 pm

Austin wrote:I'm betting the whore was Grund.

Nein

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:04 pm

Here's a look at the voting on the four bandwagons over the last two days:

Code: Select all

   Grundbegriff acc mipe(1)
      theohall acc mipe(2)
         Unagi acc mipe(3)
            Chaosraven acc mipe(4)
               Mr Bubbles acc mipe(5)
                  Austin acc mipe(6)
               Unagi wd mipe(5)
            theohall wd mipe(4)
         Austin wd mipe(3)
      Mr Bubbles wd mipe(2)
   Chaosraven wd mipe(1)

Code: Select all

   Scoop20906 acc Kraegor(1)
      Bakhtosh acc Kraegor(2)
         Unagi acc Kraegor(3)
            Semaj acc Kraegor(4)
         Semaj wd Kraegor(3)
      Unagi wd Kraegor(2)
         Unagi acc Kraegor(3)
      Unagi wd Kraegor(2)
         purge acc Kraegor(3)
      Scoop20906 wd Kraegor(2)
   purge wd Kraegor(1)

Code: Select all

   Unagi acc ChrisGrenard(1)
      theohall acc ChrisGrenard(2)
   theohall wd ChrisGrenard(1)
Unagi wd ChrisGrenard(1)
   mipe acc ChrisGrenard(1)
      stessier acc ChrisGrenard(2)
         theohall acc ChrisGrenard(3)
           Semaj acc ChrisGrenard(4)
              Kraegor acc ChrisGrenard(5)
                 Unagi acc ChrisGrenard(6)
                    Scoop20906 acc ChrisGrenard(7)
                       Austin acc ChrisGrenard(8)
                    Unagi wd ChrisGrenard(7)
                       Mr Bubbles acc ChrisGrenard(8)
                    Semaj wd Chris Grenard(7)
                       tru1cy acc ChrisGrenard(8) 
                          purge acc ChrisGrenard(9)

Code: Select all

   Austin acc stessier(1)
      tru1cy acc stessier(2)
         Newcastle acc stessier(3)
            Unagi acc stessier(4)
               redrun acc stessier(5)

all withdrew when I cam out as Seer

Human Roles

Special 1 - Seer - stessier
Special 2 - Herbalist - mipe
Special 3 - Weredog - Bakhtosh
Special 4 - Whore - ???
Special 5 - Masons - ???/???
Special 6 - ??? - Chaos

Evil Roles

Evil 1 - Mr Spodie - Theohall
Evil 2 - Sorcerer - Unagi
Evil 3 - ??? - ???

Wolves

Wolf 1 - Theohall
Wolf 2 - Mr Bubbles
Wolf 3
Wolf 4

All the dots indicate things that are known (well, for mipe, mostly known). Everything else is taking what people have said at face value or my assumptions. These for the basis for my thoughts.

I think I'll just run through the players:

Players:

1. Scoop20906 - The Bull. Nobody scans the Bull. Tried to take the lead on Day 1. Offered himself up if he messed up. That's not evil Scoop. Moving down the list.

2. Mr Bubbles - (Soon to be Dead) Werewolf

3. Purge - Tragically bad advice. Jumped on the vote to kill Chris blaming me all the way. Also on the Kraegor bandwagon. Moving up the list.

4. theohall - Mr Splodie

5. Newcastle - As I mentioned in my Seer Outing post, Newcastle brought theohall back to the forefront in his list after the issue had already receded into the mists of time. At the time, this gave me more faith in him since he had no reason to point out a Wolf in that situation. Additionally, all of his analysis seemed upfront and forthright. I had him solidly in the good column. Even after the result of the lynch, I still have him there. That's just not Bad Newcastle to me.

6. Mipe - Herbalist - probably

7. Chaosraven - This is the 2nd best place for a wolf to hide. The only way it works is if there is a Master Wolf and Lassr was powered. Newcastle found that post where Lassr threatened to sprinkle doggie treats around someone's house (Semaj?). I agree that it is most probably why he was killed and Lassr is a good enough player not to play with fire like that on Sunday Night if he were powered. Since I don't think Lassr was powered, I don't think the Wolves would fake a powered role first thing after Daybreak. As such, I'm trusting Chaos. I am fully aware that I always trust Chaos and someday he is going to bite me in the tukus. I'm confident today is not that day.

8. Unagi - Sorcerer - If you can't see it, there is nothing I can do for you. He has taken every opportunity to pick at people, challenge every statement no matter how inconsequential, and make mountains out of every mole hill he could find. He was on every bandwagon and willing to push everyone over the edge. And don't forget his wink at Mr Bubbles. Taken as a whole, he simply cannot be on the side of the Villagers. The only way you should trust him is if Remus says he shoots someone. Barring that, he is EVIL. (Side note: I re-read all 20 pages last night before scanning for Bubbles. I skipped every Unagi post. It was amazing how much clearer the situation appeared compared to when we went through it live. Try it...you'll see I'm right.)

9. redrun - What do I do with redrun? About half way through Monday, I told Remus he was for sure going to be my scan Monday Night. In BSG he seemed new, tentative, but with solid reading and trying to look for wolves. In Scooby Village, he's different. He's more conscious of time, he plopped that vote on me because he "wanted someone to die". He's just not right. He's moving up the list.

10. Lassr - Midnight snack. RIP.

11. stessier - The most amazing Seer Scooby has ever seen!

12. ChrisGrenard - Forgot to wear his hard hat - claimed unpowered Villager. RIP.

13. Grundbegriff - Monday Night Football appetizer. RIP.

14. Kraegor - Grund said he was a special. That is good enough for me. Scoop, if you don't believe in me, believe in Grund.

15. Bakhtosh - This is the best place for a wolf to hide. How can we prove him wrong? Bakhtosh was in my top 4 last night. He's got to stay there simply because only his death will prove his innocence. I really, truly, don't know what to make of his claim. If there is a Master Wolf, and if Grund were powered, the wolves would know they could fake 1 role. With no one else claiming Weredog, it is the perfect one to fake. I really wish he had come right out and claimed the role instead of dragging it out the way he did.

16. Austin - Go back and look at the bandwagons. We know where Theo and Bubbles jumped on. Look where Austin is. Also remember that Austin killing Lassr was a time honored tradition at one point (or maybe it was Lassr killing Austin). It hadn't happened in a while. Perhaps he thought he could get away with it. The today, the very first thing, he kicks off my bandwagon. He knew everyone ended last night with a thirst for my blood. Why did he ask some questions? Why the quick vote? My final three last night were Austin, Bubbles, and redrun. Austin is staying near the top of the list.

17. Semaj - Semaj is in no-man's land on my list. He's hovering just outside the Evil zone. There is nothing he's done specifically. He's pretty much played the way he always has. Hasn't pushed any agendas. Played very under control. If it were anyone other than Semaj, I'd be fine with it. But I have to wonder if it is a Villager finally figuring out how to stay alive, or a Wolf finally figuring out how to hide. So he's floating up...but not very high. (Incidentally, whichever you turn out to be - Villager/Wolf - it is a lot more fun to play with this type of Semaj than the other one. )

18. tru1cy - Was keeping us updated with his post count on Monday. Stopped for Tuesday. Heck, after the vote on me, disappeared completely. This is completely normal for him. The one time I remember him as evil (In Lars' game), he was more active...which just means he got to double digit posts. Last night I thought he was safely in the Villager category. With his quick vote on me today, I'm less sure. He's floated up the list to just below Semaj.

So my list of Wolfiness looks like this:

Theohall, Mr Bubbles, Unagi
Austin, redrun
Bakhtosh, purge
Semaj, tru1cy
Newcastle, Chaosraven, Scoop, Kraegor
stessier, Grundbegriff, Lassr, ChrisGrenard, mipe

I'm going to sleep on my scan and submit it tomorrow. Unless of course Remus decides my death makes the whole thing moo and just rolls the game without it. But then I would know there was no Medium. Of course, I'd learn that upon death anyway. So yeah...here's hoping he waits for me.

And in case he doesn't, the last time I was this sure of myself, I ended up being horribly, tragically, ego-killingly wrong. So that is the happy place I'm starting from. I can only go up from here.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:05 pm

Unagi wrote:Wait, I missed it - were you told who the whore was or not?

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:09 pm

Don't bother wasting a scan on me. I gave you all the opportunity to discern my role in one of the first posts... I can tell you I'm not evil, nor am I a werewolf.

You'll note that Stessier managed to identify, out of four active wolves, the only one that could kill another villager.

Gratz. I don't think he'll be dying tonight; werewolves don't generally kill each other unless there is some gain.

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:14 pm

Damn you stess, you make it so hard to think you're a WW. I hope I'm wrong about you.

I can definately see the Unagi thing; he's flopping all over like a trout in a canoe.

If you *really* are the seer, get a useful scan. I'm human, so there's no point in wasting your skills here.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:18 pm

purge wrote:You'll note that Stessier managed to identify, out of four active wolves, the only one that could kill another villager.

And you know that how, exactly?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:26 pm

purge wrote:I gave you all the opportunity to discern my role in one of the first posts...

"I'm Brian, and so is my wife!"

Who cares what you put in a post. If we trusted each other than Day 1 we could all just come out and say, "I'm innocent" and lynch everyone who didn't make that claim. Furthermore, most people don't want others to know their true role, unless they don't have certain fears...

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:43 pm

stessier wrote:
purge wrote:You'll note that Stessier managed to identify, out of four active wolves, the only one that could kill another villager.
And you know that how, exactly?

Well, RM's FIRST POST indicates 4 wolves.

Mipe is dead before the lynch.

Good at math?

There may be more 'zerks' but it is impossible for all of them to be (3 evil powers) so what are the odds that the two remaining powers are also zerker?

Coincidence, perhaps. With everything else behind it though, I believe we're following a wolf in tattered sheeps clothing.

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:47 pm

Austin... have I ever shown myself to be overly deceptive? I am not evil. I've been fighting tooth and nail (not claw) to not let this town go to the dogs.

Believe what you like; there are at least 3 members of this town that know I'm not one of the bad guys. (feel free to step forward and share that with the group.. it'll make lynching easier!

)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:28 pm

stessier wrote:8. Unagi - Sorcerer - If you can't see it, there is nothing I can do for you. He has taken every opportunity to pick at people, challenge every statement no matter how inconsequential, and make mountains out of every mole hill he could find. He was on every bandwagon and willing to push everyone over the edge. And don't forget his wink at Mr Bubbles. Taken as a whole, he simply cannot be on the side of the Villagers. The only way you should trust him is if Remus says he shoots someone. Barring that, he is EVIL. (Side note: I re-read all 20 pages last night before scanning for Bubbles. I skipped every Unagi post. It was amazing how much clearer the situation appeared compared to when we went through it live. Try it...you'll see I'm right.)

Oh Stessier, stessier, stessier.

Stop making Remus laugh.

What do I get when you are wrong?

You are so dead tomorrow when you live through the night, as I know you will.

Very tricky play of yours.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:32 pm

I actually just read that whole thing you said about me.

What was my wink at Mr Bubbles???

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:34 pm

Unagi wrote:I actually just read that whole thing you said about me.

What was my wink at Mr Bubbles???

That you scanned him?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:40 pm

Austin wrote:
Unagi wrote:I actually just read that whole thing you said about me.

What was my wink at Mr Bubbles???
That you scanned him?

Scanned who?

- did I miss him quoting some wink I gave?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:48 pm

stessier wrote:Side note: I re-read all 20 pages last night before scanning for Bubbles. I skipped every Unagi post. It was amazing how much clearer the situation appeared compared to when we went through it live. Try it...you'll see I'm right.

Wait, but you didn't get the same effect when you skipped Kraegor? Christ - half of it had to be me being tossed around by Kraegor, no?

Your Unagidar is broken, bud.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:38 am

Unagi wrote:
Austin wrote:
Unagi wrote:I actually just read that whole thing you said about me.

What was my wink at Mr Bubbles???
That you scanned him?
Scanned who?

- did I miss him quoting some wink I gave?

Yes.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:02 am

Such a help.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:25 am

Unagi wrote:Such a help.

You're lucky you got a response.. You know in my day we had to use a rotary phone to get response.. now you kids and your intrawebs. I swear you don't know what you have until you lose it

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:26 am

purge wrote:
stessier wrote:
purge wrote:You'll note that Stessier managed to identify, out of four active wolves, the only one that could kill another villager.
And you know that how, exactly?
Good at math?

Passable.

There may be more 'zerks' but it is impossible for all of them to be (3 evil powers) so what are the odds that the two remaining powers are also zerker?

As I noted here, there is a 44.2% chance there is another Mr Splodie. There's a 0% chance there is a 3rd Mr Splodie because Unagi is a Sorcerer.

44.2% ... that's a high number to just "assume" there are no more wolves that can do damage.

Coincidence, perhaps. With everything else behind it though, I believe we're following a wolf in tattered sheeps clothing.

No one is following you, so I think they are safe.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:33 am

I'm so afraid of Remuscide. I can't tell if Unagi's this good of an actor or not. He's never done anything in the past to indicate he could pull it off to this level.

Everything points to Sorcerer but he could be a very clever Wolf.

I'm glad I'll be too dead to worry about it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:35 am

Unagi wrote:Such a help.

You never read anything I write.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:21 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:A very clever wolf would have made a great effort to discuss the important uses for Mipe right before Mipe was killed.

I totally agree with Austin, if Stessier survives the night, he is #1 lynch target tomorrow.
Agreed.

As much as my "Special06" gets tossed around, if there are a Pair of Berserkers then offering them as "Proof" as a Seer (Perhaps as a Master Wolf who ATE one?) is a wicked way to make it to end game *and* still wipe out Protected People.

Actually, that is something I would be 100% behind trying were I a wolf.

It's okay though. I'll be dead. They can't risk my l33t skillz finding another one.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:36 am

Okay, scan is in.

We aren't waiting on me.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:53 am

purge wrote:
stessier wrote:
purge wrote:You'll note that Stessier managed to identify, out of four active wolves, the only one that could kill another villager.
And you know that how, exactly?
Well, RM's FIRST POST indicates 4 wolves.

Mipe is dead before the lynch.

Good at math?

There may be more 'zerks' but it is impossible for all of them to be (3 evil powers) so what are the odds that the two remaining powers are also zerker?

Coincidence, perhaps. With everything else behind it though, I believe we're following a wolf in tattered sheeps clothing.

This really, really bothers me and the explanation is weak.

Please don't forget it.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:01 am

stessier wrote:I'm so afraid of Remuscide. I can't tell if Unagi's this good of an actor or not. He's never done anything in the past to indicate he could pull it off to this level. Everything points to Sorcerer but he could be a very clever Wolf.

I'm glad I'll be too dead to worry about it.

Perhaps we can discuss this more in the morning.

I'd like to think I'm a pretty good actor.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:05 am

Unagi wrote:Perhaps we can discuss this more in the morning.

I fear I don't have that much time.

I'd be happy to kill the rest of the night verbally jousting however.

Gotta do something to pass the time.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:43 am

Ok, so I went back and found my 'wink'

Mr. B - not sure , he hasn't really pinged my radar yet (probably a wolf )

THIS is what makes you think I am the sorcerer? (I should say, 'this is part of what makes you think', I suppose...)

So, let me get this straight.

I spend the first day gunning for so many people - theohall being one of them, while the sorcerer doesn't really know who to avoid (wolves) or who to hit (aside from 1 night's scan).

I honestly feel like I was the only one that actually had an honest to god issue with theohalls "sounds like good logic to me" post.... Not that I wasn't the only one who saw it, but I was the one that spent all the time quoting the reason that I felt it was wolf - that he had no interest in the logic, that he quoted the totally wrong part, etc. That was Me, that was My analysis. I guess I can't expect you to know this if your re-read included igorning all of my posts.

Next - If Mr.Bubbles is a wolf - you put Sorcerer claim to me - based on the above quote. Personally, as a Sorcerer, I wouldn't have had the nerve to paint the wolves as wolves like that.

The 'wink' was to everyone, Mr.B included... The 'wink' was to say "It's the guys that aren't making waves that are the wolves". "He doesn't look like a wolf" = "Probably a wolf" WINK

Can you at least admit this could be one interpretaion of the above 'wink' ? I hope you can, cause it will ease you into the reality that you are willfully ignoring right now.

The truth is (if Mr.B is a wolf), I was on to Mr.B before you (give a man some credit), and now, because of that, I am being labelled the sorcerer ?? Because I shared my thoughts on him? And was, according to you, right?

Your default play on Chaos is "trust him", yet your default play on me is "lynch him" - what drives these two things? Past games? Past Rolls of the Dice?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:48 am

Oh goody - you want to play!

Let me see what I can dig up, Mordru.