Octopus Overlords

Captain Caveman wrote:I meant that it is distant from the previous accusations. I'm definitely ignorant about this topic, but outside of unwelcomed groping which is obviously sexual assault, is it illegal for this sort of quid pro quo to be proposed when the man in question is in a position of power and influence but the woman is not an employee of the company? I would imagine so, but perhaps Isgie could pull up the definitive statement on the topic.

silverjon wrote:Contextually, she had asked for assistance in finding a job. If he'd said he'd hire her in exchange for sexual favours, that's different than helping her find a job with someone else.

Captain Caveman wrote:To be clear, what she describes is certainly sexual assault.

silverjon wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:To be clear, what she describes is certainly sexual assault.

Yeah, unwanted touch. But it didn't go far enough to lay charges and have them stick.

"And he stopped and took you back to your hotel immediately after you told him to?"
"Yes."
Subtext: What exactly are you complaining about?

Captain Caveman wrote:I meant that it is distinct from the previous workplace accusations. I'm definitely ignorant about this topic, but outside of the described unwelcomed groping which is obviously sexual assault, is it illegal for this sort of quid pro quo to be proposed when the man in question is in a position of power and influence but the woman is not an employee of the company? I would imagine so, but perhaps Isgie could pull up the definitive statement on the topic.

silverjon wrote:^ See?

I am a not-lawyer who talks a lot of crap, but it's knowledgeable crap.

Kraken wrote:Whether his actions were illegal or not probably won't make much difference; the slimeball factor toasts his campaign either way.

Holman wrote:

Kraken wrote:Whether his actions were illegal or not probably won't make much difference; the slimeball factor toasts his campaign either way.

The irony is that next month's suddenly popular anti-Romney will probably be Newt Gingrich.

Holman wrote:

Kraken wrote:Whether his actions were illegal or not probably won't make much difference; the slimeball factor toasts his campaign either way.

The irony is that next month's suddenly popular anti-Romney will probably be Newt Gingrich.

Captain Caveman wrote:"You want a job, right?"

That's the most damning line

Teggy wrote:All this "machine that doesn't want a businessman to become president" "everything that Herman Cain says" talk is making him sound a little nutty.

A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.

Kraushaar said Tuesday she did not remember details about the complaint and did not remember asking for a payment, a promotion or a Harvard fellowship. Bennett, her lawyer, declined to discuss the case with the AP, saying he considered it confidential. Kraushaar left her job at the immigration service after dropping the complaint in 2003, and she went to work at the Treasury Department.

Kraushaar's complaint was based on supervisors denying her request to work full time from home after a serious car accident in 2002, three former supervisors said. Two of them said Kraushaar also was denied previous requests to work from home before the car accident.

The complaint also cited as objectionable an email that a manager had circulated comparing computers to women and men, a former supervisor said. The complaint claimed that the email, based on humor widely circulated on the Internet, was sexually explicit, according to the supervisor, who did not have a copy of the email. The joke circulated online lists reasons men and women were like computers, including that men were like computers because "in order to get their attention, you have to turn them on." Women were like computers because "even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval."

Kraushaar told the AP that she remembered the complaint focusing on supervisors denying her the opportunity to work from home after her car accident. She said other employees were allowed to work from home.

Mr. Fed wrote:Cain's campaign manager Mark Block is a daily joy. He's like a character on an edgy HBO drama.

Carpet_pissr wrote:Nor is it surprising the more I find out about and listen to Cain, the more ridiculous the notion that he is a front runner for a presidential nominee. And that is completely discounting the current tizzy about the sexual allegations.

Carpet_pissr wrote:Nor is it surprising the more I find out about and listen to Cain, the more ridiculous the notion that he is a front runner for a presidential nominee. And that is completely discounting the current tizzy about the sexual allegations.

Rip wrote:

Carpet_pissr wrote:Nor is it surprising the more I find out about and listen to Cain, the more ridiculous the notion that he is a front runner for a presidential nominee. And that is completely discounting the current tizzy about the sexual allegations.

I would agree but then I examine the other candidates and am much less surprised.

Give me a Jindal or Daniels first any day. I am actually reduced to having to reconsider Gingrich.

Pyperkub wrote:

Rip wrote:

Carpet_pissr wrote:Nor is it surprising the more I find out about and listen to Cain, the more ridiculous the notion that he is a front runner for a presidential nominee. And that is completely discounting the current tizzy about the sexual allegations.

I would agree but then I examine the other candidates and am much less surprised.

Give me a Jindal or Daniels first any day. I am actually reduced to having to reconsider Gingrich.

The funny/strange/horrifying thing is that I can't see any of them winning a nomination with how far to the right the GOP has gone, although Romney is well on his way...

Captain Caveman wrote:Oh jeez... Watch Rick Perry have a massive brain fart during tonight's GOP debate.

Oops.

"I would do away with the Education..."

Mr. Fed wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:Oh jeez... Watch Rick Perry have a massive brain fart during tonight's GOP debate.

Oops.

Anyone can have a brain fart.

What's bad about that clip is his utter inability to navigate out of it with any grace or skill.

Rip wrote:Not surprising the more I find out about Cain's accuser the less I am likely to find them credible.

A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.

Kraushaar said Tuesday she did not remember details about the complaint and did not remember asking for a payment, a promotion or a Harvard fellowship. Bennett, her lawyer, declined to discuss the case with the AP, saying he considered it confidential. Kraushaar left her job at the immigration service after dropping the complaint in 2003, and she went to work at the Treasury Department.

So if she can't remember details about something way after the incident we are supposed to rely on her memories of it? And because Cain didn't recall information about it he is hiding something?

Kraushaar's complaint was based on supervisors denying her request to work full time from home after a serious car accident in 2002, three former supervisors said. Two of them said Kraushaar also was denied previous requests to work from home before the car accident.

The complaint also cited as objectionable an email that a manager had circulated comparing computers to women and men, a former supervisor said. The complaint claimed that the email, based on humor widely circulated on the Internet, was sexually explicit, according to the supervisor, who did not have a copy of the email. The joke circulated online lists reasons men and women were like computers, including that men were like computers because "in order to get their attention, you have to turn them on." Women were like computers because "even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval."

Kraushaar told the AP that she remembered the complaint focusing on supervisors denying her the opportunity to work from home after her car accident. She said other employees were allowed to work from home.

Sounds to me like someone that would cause whatever fuss they could to get what they want. The e-mail sounded funny to me and complaining about it was petty.

Maybe she flirted with Cain just hoping he would bite so she could sue?

Victoria Raverna wrote:

Rip wrote:Not surprising the more I find out about Cain's accuser the less I am likely to find them credible.

A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.

Kraushaar said Tuesday she did not remember details about the complaint and did not remember asking for a payment, a promotion or a Harvard fellowship. Bennett, her lawyer, declined to discuss the case with the AP, saying he considered it confidential. Kraushaar left her job at the immigration service after dropping the complaint in 2003, and she went to work at the Treasury Department.

So if she can't remember details about something way after the incident we are supposed to rely on her memories of it? And because Cain didn't recall information about it he is hiding something?

Kraushaar's complaint was based on supervisors denying her request to work full time from home after a serious car accident in 2002, three former supervisors said. Two of them said Kraushaar also was denied previous requests to work from home before the car accident.

The complaint also cited as objectionable an email that a manager had circulated comparing computers to women and men, a former supervisor said. The complaint claimed that the email, based on humor widely circulated on the Internet, was sexually explicit, according to the supervisor, who did not have a copy of the email. The joke circulated online lists reasons men and women were like computers, including that men were like computers because "in order to get their attention, you have to turn them on." Women were like computers because "even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval."

Kraushaar told the AP that she remembered the complaint focusing on supervisors denying her the opportunity to work from home after her car accident. She said other employees were allowed to work from home.

Sounds to me like someone that would cause whatever fuss they could to get what they want. The e-mail sounded funny to me and complaining about it was petty.

Maybe she flirted with Cain just hoping he would bite so she could sue?

But that doesn't mean Cain didn't sexually harass her. Just because the victim is not credible doesn't mean the accused is innocent.

Maybe Cain specially targetted women that are not credible?

Captain Caveman wrote:Mike Tyson as Herman Cain.

Arcanis wrote: 2 things. 1 if she isn't credible it means we can't really trust her. So Yes it is possible that Cain did these things but it is just as possible he didn't (with her) and this is just a hatchet job. 2 If he did target women who weren't credible then I want him as president since he can apparently see the future. He allegedly harassed her in 99 and all of the reports of things hurting her credibility happened after that.

I had high hopes for Cain as a nominee and if he did these things he should be flogged IMO. I have no expectations of actual journalism from the media (all of them) so until they can provide something more than allegations against him that is credible then I don't really care what they have to say.