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El Guapo wrote:

coopasonic wrote: withdraw Newcastle 
 


I just realized I have switched my thinking but failed to switch my vote. I am not making the same mistake I made on CR.

So why aren't you voting for me?

because chances are you are a wookie.

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

Imperial Pluses: One rebel dead, Leia's ability used, Remus Proven
Rebel Pluses: Protector Dead, one other dead

There are only so many uses for Leia's ability and this seems like a good one if real. Getting rid of Thrawn is well worth the trade imo.

Newcastle wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

coopasonic wrote: withdraw Newcastle 
 


I just realized I have switched my thinking but failed to switch my vote. I am not making the same mistake I made on CR.

So why aren't you voting for me?

because chances are you are a wookie.

So "Thrawn", who you wanna lynch today. El Guapo is not an option.

Newcastle wrote: Maybe them "faking" jabba is a calculated risk to spook him out.

This is my favorite desperate theory yet. Yes, Jabba is such a powerful role that the rebels must be trying to smoke him out. Totally worth throwing a rebel to the lynch mob!

The more I think about it the more I like this as a rebel plot. Chewbacca's kill reveals his nature. They KNOW when Chewbacca kills he is dead, this way they get two kills out of chewbacca.

coopasonic wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

This is an exceptionally complicated plan, as compared to the "occam's razor" of "El Guapo is Jabba and has scanned a rebel. An alternative rebel plan would be:

Lay low and cast suspicion on assorted imperials
Kill Thrawn silently at night with no risk
If a lynch mob happens to fall on Chewieguapo, THEN use his ability to take out an imperial

But fellow imperials can decide for themselves which plan seems more plausible.

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

coopasonic wrote: withdraw Newcastle 
 


I just realized I have switched my thinking but failed to switch my vote. I am not making the same mistake I made on CR.

So why aren't you voting for me?

because chances are you are a wookie.

So "Thrawn", who you wanna lynch today. El Guapo is not an option.

right now i want to strangle you and unagi...both neither of you are options....and yes i realize that you are both proven....unagi more so than you......

i still want elguapo shot.

El Guapo wrote:

coopasonic wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

This is an exceptionally complicated plan, as compared to the "occam's razor" of "El Guapo is Jabba and has scanned a rebel. An alternative rebel plan would be:

Lay low and cast suspicion on assorted imperials
Kill Thrawn silently at night with no risk
If a lynch mob happens to fall on Chewieguapo, THEN use his ability to take out an imperial

But fellow imperials can decide for themselves which plan seems more plausible.

Oh, and the cherry on the top of your complicated and unnecessary risky rebel plan is that one possible response to Chewieguapo making his move is that he gets shot, thus trading a rebel for nothing. They would need to know that both Jabba and Rukh are not available, as if either are then the plot would die at its inception, with a rebel exposed for no gain.

coopasonic wrote:The more I think about it the more I like this as a rebel plot. Chewbacca's kill reveals his nature. They KNOW when Chewbacca kills he is dead, this way they get two kills out of chewbacca.

I'm going to assume you're imperial for the moment and ask you a question. If Jabba scans someone and detects a rebel, what would he logically do next? How would that compare with what I have done?

It's one thing to say that it's *possible* that what I'm doing is a rebel plot. Of course it occurred to me (as I mentioned in my original post) that it's conceivable that I might not be believed. But why would you think it so likely that what I am doing is in fact a rebel plot? (Or a well executed imperial maneuver, as you oddly put it before).

coopasonic wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

Imperial Pluses: One rebel dead, Leia's ability used, Remus Proven
Rebel Pluses: Protector Dead, one other dead

There are only so many uses for Leia's ability and this seems like a good one if real. Getting rid of Thrawn is well worth the trade imo.

This is very plausible...

coopasonic wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

Imperial Pluses: One rebel dead, Leia's ability used, Remus Proven
Rebel Pluses: Protector Dead, one other dead

There are only so many uses for Leia's ability and this seems like a good one if real. Getting rid of Thrawn is well worth the trade imo.

Oh good lord.

El Guapo wrote:It's one thing to say that it's *possible* that what I'm doing is a rebel plot. Of course it occurred to me (as I mentioned in my original post) that it's conceivable that I might not be believed. But why would you think it so likely that what I am doing is in fact a rebel plot? (Or a well executed imperial maneuver, as you oddly put it before).

Simply because Newcastle comes across as more believable.

There is a chance that Newcastle can be proven. There is no chance to prove you except by autopsy. I say we at least give Newcastle the night and focus our efforts elsewhere. If Newcastle is Leia, he holds no power now, so no hurry. The really nice thing is that if Rukh is alive, and he finds that Newcastle is Thrawn, he can take you out to prove it all. That would be a well executed imperial maneuver. (yes, I bain-farted on that before).

coopasonic wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:
so you see no motive in offing the imperials protector? seriously? YOu're a pretty bright guy trigg...but you have to see that. They take me out...we got ZERO protection on the way to the trash compactor...ZERO!!!

So you're essentially saying that the Rebels would be more likely to be willing to sacrifice one of their number--which they can't afford to do, really--to try to force a daytime lynch of our protector instead of just taking a zero-risk shot of killing him at night?

That logic fails to work for me, sorry.

Here's how I see it all in one post if it's a Rebel op:

El Guapo is Chewbacca, he proclaims Jabba who the rebels know they have already killed (Lassr or stessier).
He points the finger at Newcastle, calling him Leia.
A rebel accomplice, the actual Leia, silences Remus.
We lynch Newcastle, who is our protector. We see he was Empire.
We flip out and go after El Guapo.
El Guapo uses his Chewie ability to kill ? whatever good target they have identified.

Imperial Pluses: One rebel dead, Leia's ability used, Remus Proven
Rebel Pluses: Protector Dead, one other dead

There are only so many uses for Leia's ability and this seems like a good one if real. Getting rid of Thrawn is well worth the trade imo.

So, they charge into the day and cast accusations against a person already on a number of peoples 'top suspects' list.

Why not just get him lynched... or try even.

Instead - you really think they would sacrifice a 'trade' deal... And then tomorrow when El Guapo is "busted" as he would be after we lynch an Imperial Newcastle - you don't think they would have thought. "Oh, wait - this will totally expose our Wookie and he'll likely be shot, instead of lynched".

See, I don't buy it at all.

Plus, hell, I scanned Newcastle last night.... I'm already very much on board Newcastle being Rebel. It makes ZERO sense (IMO) for some Rebel to sacrifice himself so as to 'fake-expose' the already exposed.

and your scan said what Unagi? As darth all it showed that i wasnt luke...so how is that even proof positive...you mean you too see the notion of taking out our protector?

/sigh
walks back to his cabin, walks in, takes a long sip of his private cognac stock and stares at his mural of treasures
"You can bring a mule to....." he starts and trails off lost in thought

coopasonic wrote: That would be a well executed imperial maneuver. (yes, I bain-farted on that before).

Ah ha! Now I know coop's role:



Coop is Mitt Romney.

Seriously though, I find it comforting that the provens are reading this sensibly. Interesting that Coop and tru1cy find him so credible. "Hey, let's be cautious here" I can understand, but "ZOMG! Guapo must be a rebel" is strange. It would be incredibly ballsy for two rebels to come out in strong support, but it's possible. Interesting information, at any rate.

El Guapo wrote:Seriously though, I find it comforting that the provens are reading this sensibly. Interesting that Coop and tru1cy find him so credible. "Hey, let's be cautious here" I can understand, but "ZOMG! Guapo must be a rebel" is strange. It would be incredibly ballsy for two rebels to come out in strong support, but it's possible. Interesting information, at any rate.

I didn't say he was credible I stated that Coop rendition was plausible. I am still very much undecided if I will place my vote on Newcastle. I'll decide once I get home and drown a Model or two

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Seriously though, I find it comforting that the provens are reading this sensibly. Interesting that Coop and tru1cy find him so credible. "Hey, let's be cautious here" I can understand, but "ZOMG! Guapo must be a rebel" is strange. It would be incredibly ballsy for two rebels to come out in strong support, but it's possible. Interesting information, at any rate.

I didn't say he was credible I stated that Coop rendition was plausible. I am still very much undecided if I will place my vote on Newcastle. I'll decide once I get home and drown a Model or two

Fair enough. I suppose I was mostly thinking about Coop anyhow.

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Seriously though, I find it comforting that the provens are reading this sensibly. Interesting that Coop and tru1cy find him so credible. "Hey, let's be cautious here" I can understand, but "ZOMG! Guapo must be a rebel" is strange. It would be incredibly ballsy for two rebels to come out in strong support, but it's possible. Interesting information, at any rate.

I didn't say he was credible I stated that Coop rendition was plausible. I am still very much undecided if I will place my vote on Newcastle. I'll decide once I get home and drown a Model or two

Drown a model? I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that's legal.

BTW, this is not a hint, just an observation that made me say hunh?

coopasonic wrote:

El Guapo wrote:It's one thing to say that it's *possible* that what I'm doing is a rebel plot. Of course it occurred to me (as I mentioned in my original post) that it's conceivable that I might not be believed. But why would you think it so likely that what I am doing is in fact a rebel plot? (Or a well executed imperial maneuver, as you oddly put it before).

Simply because Newcastle comes across as more believable.

Really, because - well - El Guapo came from Out of the Blue with this whole thing, and then Newcastle decried that he was the Emperor Protector as a reason we shouldn't lynch him.


And you say that Newcastle comes across as more believable. Was anything from Newcastle's previous play catching your eye at all?
Was anything catching your eye on El Guapo?

You speak of the trust you are willing to put into Newcastle's claim. Has he done something, anything, to warrant that trust?

bb2112 wrote:

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Seriously though, I find it comforting that the provens are reading this sensibly. Interesting that Coop and tru1cy find him so credible. "Hey, let's be cautious here" I can understand, but "ZOMG! Guapo must be a rebel" is strange. It would be incredibly ballsy for two rebels to come out in strong support, but it's possible. Interesting information, at any rate.

I didn't say he was credible I stated that Coop rendition was plausible. I am still very much undecided if I will place my vote on Newcastle. I'll decide once I get home and drown a Model or two

Drown a model? I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that's legal.

BTW, this is not a hint, just an observation that made me say hunh?

You're probably joking, but just in case (and to ruin the joke, which was funny):

Newcastle wrote:and your scan said what Unagi? As darth all it showed that i wasnt luke...so how is that even proof positive...

What a strange straw man argument to set forth.

I am simply saying this: I was already sold on you being a Rebel. That you are not Luke is entirely meaningless.

Newcastle wrote:and your scan said what Unagi? As darth all it showed that i wasnt luke...so how is that even proof positive...you mean you too see the notion of taking out our protector?

/sigh
walks back to his cabin, walks in, takes a long sip of his private cognac stock and stares at his mural of treasures
"You can bring a mule to....." he starts and trails off lost in thought

He's just saying that he already suspected you of being a rebel before I said anything, not that the scan itself revealed anything damning (which it wouldn't, since you are not in fact Luke).

Unagi wrote:

Newcastle wrote:and your scan said what Unagi? As darth all it showed that i wasnt luke...so how is that even proof positive...

What a strange straw man argument to set forth.

I am simply saying this: I was already sold on you being a Rebel. That you are not Luke is entirely meaningless.

then why tout it as proof positive...which is what it came across as...so you scanned me..big whoop....and here's my final "twist" to the day.

I played day 1 very much on purpose. Being on the forefront of a lynch train was purposefully designed. I wanted to be out in the middle of everything, and be suspected by many. I figured tht was teh best way for me to avoid being a night time snack. Figuring the rebels would not waste me, figuring i'd eventually be lycnhed. I am sorry that it was the emperor who got caught on that. i seriously thought it was a slip. But my whole plan was to hide in plain sight. I figured i could use my bread crumbs as my ace in the hole to get me out. Belive me or not...thats what i did; and how i wanted to set myself up. I figuered as long as my name was bandied out as a suspect...the rebels would levae me alone.

Right now, after having further thought this out...i am guessing that they scanned me...to see what i was up to. I guess they saw through the blue comment the otther day...and that warranted a scan. That's the only way this makes sense to me. They figure they can spook the imperial ship, get me lynched...at the cost of 1 person...but i really dont understand why peopel dont see the sacrifice of a spent person, as enough....to wipe out the protector.

And now that i further think this...maybe...just maybe scoop was han...so the ELG.....jabba claim would be jived by our coroner.

triggercut wrote:So let's set Newcastle aside a moment then.

Newc, care to join me in a vote for:

 RMC 
 
?

So, I'd sorta like to go back to this idea.

 RMC 
 

Newcastle wrote:I played day 1 very much on purpose. Being on the forefront of a lynch train was purposefully designed. I wanted to be out in the middle of everything, and be suspected by many. I figured tht was teh best way for me to avoid being a night time snack.

So when, on Day 1, you write something like:

I really really want to see CR lynched. .... I am getting blue in the face repeating myself.

that was in line with "teh best way for me to avoid being a night time snack" ?!?!

I can only put myself in Thrawn's shoes....
I would NEVER write "blue in the face" if I was Thrawn. No way.

Newcastle wrote:Right now, after having further thought this out...i am guessing that they scanned me...

Fascinating.... (as they say)

well you arent me are you unagi? it seemed the best at that moment...i didnt want to add too much to encourage deduction...but i wanted to put enough that i could point at it...

what did you want me to do....wear a name tag that says "admiral thrawn" on it.

i figured my pointing at the art bit w/ grund (he's got a high art IQ)...and the blue in the face bit...would be obscure enough to hide my identity...but enough that i could poitn at it....

guess next time i am a special...i'll wear the nametag.

Newcastle wrote: what did you want me to do....wear a name tag that says "admiral thrawn" on it.

You misspelled "Princess Leia."

Newcastle wrote:well you arent me are you unagi? it seemed the best at that moment...i didnt want to add too much to encourage deduction...but i wanted to put enough that i could point at it...

what did you want me to do....wear a name tag that says "admiral thrawn" on it.

i figured my pointing at the art bit w/ grund (he's got a high art IQ)...and the blue in the face bit...would be obscure enough to hide my identity...but enough that i could poitn at it....

guess next time i am a special...i'll wear the nametag.

Now you turn to Hyperbole.

Splendid.

1. You are right, the art bit w/ grund was enormously obscure.
2. The other 'hint', you know - the one that I mentioned, the "blue in the face" part... isn't that nearly a NameTag.

I get it Newcastle.

You needed to have hints in place for later.
You needed to stay hidden and not killed in the night.

The "blue in the face" was as close as you could get to riding that line.

That's fine.

My point is still this: "blue in the face" would be, if I was Thrawn, a bit Too Much... I'd feel like I just put on a NameTag.

You can stop with your "But I am not you, Unagi"...
I know that.

I am appealing to OTHERS that are reading, and I am asking them to figure out if that is something they would do... I am sure you are OK with your behavior and feel that a majority of people would likely see things the way you see them, and not the crazy way that I seem to be painting it.

you're right unagi..its too obscure, and its too far fetched to think i would do something like that. No reasonable person would do that...hence i am not who i say i am....I MUST be a rebel or a spoof...i'm tired of defending myself...so lets just off me now. i dont think i'd want to be on a ship where i have to choose protecting between trigg & unagi tonight.

here i'll make it easier...

 newcastle 
 

actually scratch that...

 withdraw newcastle 
 



 elguapo 
 


go ahead and boom chewie or if you are han; you're better off lynched....

Newcastle wrote:actually scratch that...

 withdraw newcastle 
 



 elguapo 
 


go ahead and boom chewie or if you are han; you're better off lynched....

I did enjoy the self-vote, always a good sign, since it's never in the interest of the good guys for an innocent to vote for themselves.

Anywho, it'll be interesting to see the discussion tonight. You can decide whether Newcastle's desperate theories about the rebels sacrificing one of their own, using up a special ability, to possibly get Newcastle if the imperials somehow decided not to shoot the faux Jabba is more plausible than an unpressured me revealing the results of a scan. I'd also note that the provens here so far are agreeing with me.

I'm sympathetic to the "Rukh! Please save us!" theory, but like I said that's dependent upon (a) Rukh being around; (b) Rukh having survived; and (c) Rukh not having been scanned by the rebels. Even then it's a waste of time and a waste of Rukh's ability to find Thrawn. But it's not unreasonable - up to you guys. I do get the advantage of voting with my scan results, after all, so it's easy for me.

Like I said, I waited for a shot here until leaving work, so we could move on to probing for other rebels today, but it's quittin' time.

 Newcastle. 
 

Fascinating.

Wrong sci-fi universe, Mr. Spock.

Hey, I'm the one suggesting we test RMC.

anywho you can decide wether ELguapo's well devious plans are a falsehood. I mean its entirely feasible that you have a rebel come out, claim thrawn is princessleia/elguapo...use leia's ability to prove that role....all in the hopes of nullifying the good guys protector....

and maybe elguapo is right in that scoop= han...that would mean my protection power is that much more potent...they can no longer block it...hence...draw thrawn/newcastle out...force a self-reveal...then have him play whack-a-mole...in guessing if they attack trigg or newcastle....

it not too far fetched to sacrifice one of your own...to take out the protector...after all i am the last person standing between us and forcing the rebels further from the goal line.

after all it is a perfect plan...come out "unforced", and seemingly give the imperials a gift...and then oopsie...someone got lycnhed; and it just happened to be thrawn..... ...gosh says elguapo...i sure am wrogn on that....

does no one else see that as a perfect plan?

BTW--if Newcastle is revealed to be a rebel upon death, I would deduce a better than 50% probability that:

1. Thrawn was killed on night one
2. Kenobi is one of the active Rebel roles.

or the actuality that you guys lynched thrawn....