Re: Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:11 pm
Since Isg likes data, have you seen what the #1 killer in TX has been since June of 2021?
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Rap concerts?Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:11 pm Since Isg likes data, have you seen what the #1 killer in TX has been since June of 2021?
But this right here?Now veterinarians at Pennsylvania State University have found active SARS-CoV-2 infections in at least 30% of deer tested across Iowa during 2020. Their study, published online last week, suggests that white-tailed deer could become what's known as a reservoir for SARS-CoV-2. That is, the animals could carry the virus indefinitely and spread it back to humans periodically.
If that's the case, it would essentially dash any hopes of eliminating or eradicating the virus in the U.S. — and therefore from the world — says veterinary virologist Suresh Kuchipudi at Penn State, who co-led the study.
"If the virus has opportunities to find an alternate host besides humans, which we would call a reservoir, that will create a safe haven where the virus can continue to circulate even if the entire human population becomes immune," he says. "And so it becomes more and more complicated to manage or even eradicate the virus."
So basically SARS-CoV-2 is acting like influenza does with pigs. Birds give it to everyone and then pigs give it to us and we give it back to pigs, over and over again.From April to December of last year, about 30% of the deer that they tested were positive for SARS-CoV-2 by a PCR test. And then during the winter surge in Iowa, from Nov. 23, 2020, to Jan. 10 of this year, about 80% of the deer that they tested were infected. At the peak of the surge, Kapur says, the prevalence of the virus in deer was effectively about 50 to 100 times the prevalence in Iowa residents at the time.
During this time frame, the team also sequenced the genes of nearly 100 samples of the virus. They found the variants circulating in the deer matched the variants circulating in people.
Those genomic sequences suggest that during the pandemic, deer have caught the virus from people multiple times in Iowa alone, Kapur says. "The data are very consistent again with frequent spillover events from humans into deer and then transmission among the animals."
"Now the question is: Can the virus spill back from deer to humans? Or can deer transmit the virus effectively to grazing livestock? We don't know the answers to those questions yet, but if they are true, they're obviously concerning," she says.
Another concern, Saif says, is that SARS-CoV-2 could evolve inside the deer and create new strains of the virus. Researchers have already documented such a scenario with minks on farms in the Netherlands and Poland, she points out.
Are all of the measures described in that article - the isolation, the quarantining the family and children, the endless tests - to protect the unvaccinated? The author's actual experience with the illness seems pretty mild:Smoove_B wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:12 pm An excellent piece in the Atlantic this morning about how going back to normal only works until you test positive:
The worst-case scenario that I’d imagined was that I’d get sick, mildly, as I did. I ended up taking one day off from work, and even that was more of a precaution. I felt pretty sick, like when you have a cold, but I’ve probably been sicker 15 times as an adult.
I'm not sure. They didn't say their kids were unvaccinated, only that they believed their kids would get a mild case. That suggests to me that no, they weren't vaccinated and they were going with the risk analysis that (for them) they weren't worried.Exodor wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:23 pm
Are all of the measures described in that article - the isolation, the quarantining the family and children, the endless tests - to protect the unvaccinated? The author's actual experience with the illness seems pretty mild
Yes, by doing those things we were helping to stop the virus from circulating - especially after it became clear that vaccinated people could still (1) get and (2) spread the virus. I still believe (based on anecdotal evidence) that breakthrough cases were much higher than we acknowledged but it really wasn't the focus of news stories as the number of breakthrough deaths were still quite low. Unvaccinated people dying dominated the news. I am rather curious to see how the narrative changes now that it's only <5 year olds that are at risk.I ask because it seems since this summer those of us who observed the lockdowns, got the vaccine and wore masks have been jumping through hoops to try and protect the idiots who continued gathering all last year, refuse to wear masks and can't be bothered to get a safe vaccine. And I'm about at the end of my patience with doing so.
Maine hits record #COVID10 hospitalizations & ICU patients - despite 72% fully vaccinated. Still short of our my 85% suggested target. If you are unvaccinated, #SARSCoV2 will find you - kind like the Royal Canadian Mounties.
Today in the USA, over 132,000 new cases, 7-day average back up to ~80,000
Over 2,100 deaths
Test positivity >5% for the first time in a month
Fasten your seat belts
Maybe this time it will be different and they'll skip the mask mandate.YellowKing wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:38 pm Meanwhile, our county just rolled back its public mask mandate, setting us up for another surge which will lead to another mask mandate....sing along if you've heard this one before.
That is good news! And personally, I’m happy to hear this since my family is heading back to Boston next week to visit for Thanksgiving and also so my son can tour MIT and the media lab. He’s a senior this year, and this will be his first actual college tour. Glad to know we’re not likely to get COVID taking him there!Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:45 pm Howzabout a success story for a change?
MIT's students, staff, and faculty are 99% vaccinated. The Institute has a universal indoor mask requirement, weekly testing, and aggressive contact tracing. Nobody gets into any building without either a Vax Pass or a Tim Ticket (for visitors). So far, there have been 18 cases during the fall semester among their population of roughly 20,000. All of those were traced to social gatherings off campus.
There's at least one community in America that's doing it right.
I remember reading something about MIT back in August and the insane amount of money they were spending to try and set up this program. It can absolutely work (clearly), but I always question at what cost and what is realistic for all. It's definitely impressive - in the same way the NBA and NFL (well, maybe) has managed to keep things under control. But scaling that out to everyone? I just don't know.Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:45 pm There's at least one community in America that's doing it right.
NBC News: The U.S. has exceeded 47 million COVID cases since the start of the pandemic.
One million new cases in 13 days.
It might be the safest place in America. Or at least, the safest urban place.Kurth wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:51 pmThat is good news! And personally, I’m happy to hear this since my family is heading back to Boston next week to visit for Thanksgiving and also so my son can tour MIT and the media lab. He’s a senior this year, and this will be his first actual college tour. Glad to know we’re not likely to get COVID taking him there!Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:45 pm Howzabout a success story for a change?
MIT's students, staff, and faculty are 99% vaccinated. The Institute has a universal indoor mask requirement, weekly testing, and aggressive contact tracing. Nobody gets into any building without either a Vax Pass or a Tim Ticket (for visitors). So far, there have been 18 cases during the fall semester among their population of roughly 20,000. All of those were traced to social gatherings off campus.
There's at least one community in America that's doing it right.![]()
These are some of the smartest people in the world, coming together with a shared sense of community and purpose. They're a privileged elite, and they know it. Especially after enduring a year of virtual education, it's not surprising that they're working hard to keep the classrooms, dorms, and labs safe. It can scale as large as you can assemble a group that's motivated to cooperate.Smoove_B wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:31 pm
I remember reading something about MIT back in August and the insane amount of money they were spending to try and set up this program. It can absolutely work (clearly), but I always question at what cost and what is realistic for all. It's definitely impressive - in the same way the NBA and NFL (well, maybe) has managed to keep things under control. But scaling that out to everyone? I just don't know.
I folded it in half and stick it in my wallet on day one. After the second dose I stuck clear packaging tape on either side of the fold to keep it from falling apart. Been fine since.msteelers wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:28 am My vac card is too big to fit in my wallet. Luckily(unfortunately) I live in a state that has banned vaccine passports, so the only people I have to show it to are the people giving me a vaccine.
Yeah, the State of CA has an app that links up with your statewide vaccine record and gives you a nice proof of vaccination screen complete with QR code. I haven't needed my paper copy since that came out.malchior wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:10 pm I use the Docket app and I've had no issues using it as proof of vaccination in NY, NJ, PA, and CA. Probably good enough for my limited travel needs.
I lost mine shortly after my second dose (I'm guessing in the parking lot on my way out as I was juggling keys and phone trying to get on a work call). I reached out to the place where I had the shots done and they sent me an electronic record containing all the relevant information. So far it's worked fine for my employer and when I got my booster (they did give me a card for my booster, but it just has the first two doses lined through).Daehawk wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:37 pm Ive lost my vax card. I didn't realize it until they asked for it Thursday. I couldn't figure out how anyone lost that item...well now I know. its here someplace. Just need to find the place.
Also arm is barely noticeable as sore today after 3rd shot Thursday. So either it doesn't phase me or my immune system sucks.....which it doesn't as Im hardly ever sick in my life....until I say that Im hardly ever sick in my life.
I know I've said it before, but I have quite a few friends in public health that have told me they would quit tomorrow if they could afford to do so. Not health care and not on the scale that you're seeing here, but you're talking about people that have 20+ years in the field that are ready to just walk away. It was one thing when they were the only thing keeping people alive, but now that there's a vaccine and people are still overwhelming the hospitals? I don't know how the health care community is doing it.The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the health-care sector has lost nearly half a million workers since February 2020. Morning Consult, a survey research company, says that 18 percent of health-care workers have quit since the pandemic began, while 12 percent have been laid off.
Funny you should mention that because our NJ governor decided to gut telehealth options last week.
Additional information:Gov. Phil Murphy has rejected a bill that would have reimbursed doctors and other medical providers in New Jersey the same rate for telehealth services as they charge for in-person appointments, saying the cost may be too steep for taxpayers and may limit opportunities for patients who prefer office visits.
The Democratic governor on Monday conditionally vetoed the legislation, which means he won’t support it unless the lawmakers adopt his recommended changes. Murphy called for maintaining higher reimbursement rates until 2023, after the state Health Department has studied its usage and determined patients are getting the kind of care they need and costs are reasonable.
To me it feels very much like the revelations of corporate America - where suddenly workers all over were able to work remotely. But we can't have that long term, that would be too "dangerous".“While I wholeheartedly support expanding telehealth and telemedicine access and believe that New Jersey should be a national leader in innovative health care policy, I have reservations about making permanent a measure that was intended as a stopgap to preserve public health during an unprecedented emergency,” Murphy wrote.
“Approving this bill would amount to a very heavy thumb on the scale in favor of providers,” he added. “Moreover, the cost to carriers — which would be felt both by those paying premiums and taxpayers alike — could be substantial.”
“I am concerned that in the long term, pay parity could over-incentivize telehealth, further limiting in-person options. This could be especially detrimental for those in underserved communities,” Murphy continued.
Well, pay parity doesn't make sense. It may have been a good emergency stop gap but kind of hard to rationalize paying the same amount for an in-person office visit as a telehealth visit permanently. I'm sure the hospital/physician lobby wants it and I'd love to have it here but I wouldn't call denying parity "gutting" telehealth.Smoove_B wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:45 amFunny you should mention that because our NJ governor decided to gut telehealth options last week.
Additional information:Gov. Phil Murphy has rejected a bill that would have reimbursed doctors and other medical providers in New Jersey the same rate for telehealth services as they charge for in-person appointments, saying the cost may be too steep for taxpayers and may limit opportunities for patients who prefer office visits.
The Democratic governor on Monday conditionally vetoed the legislation, which means he won’t support it unless the lawmakers adopt his recommended changes. Murphy called for maintaining higher reimbursement rates until 2023, after the state Health Department has studied its usage and determined patients are getting the kind of care they need and costs are reasonable.
To me it feels very much like the revelations of corporate America - where suddenly workers all over were able to work remotely. But we can't have that long term, that would be too "dangerous".“While I wholeheartedly support expanding telehealth and telemedicine access and believe that New Jersey should be a national leader in innovative health care policy, I have reservations about making permanent a measure that was intended as a stopgap to preserve public health during an unprecedented emergency,” Murphy wrote.
“Approving this bill would amount to a very heavy thumb on the scale in favor of providers,” he added. “Moreover, the cost to carriers — which would be felt both by those paying premiums and taxpayers alike — could be substantial.”
“I am concerned that in the long term, pay parity could over-incentivize telehealth, further limiting in-person options. This could be especially detrimental for those in underserved communities,” Murphy continued.
If you can't use the dump without showing proof of residence, why do you not have to do the same for speaking at a governmental meeting?YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:05 pm In one small silver lining, our county (which I posted recently lifted their mask mandate), has decided to keep the mask mandate in place for public schools. Nice slap in the face for the Proud Boys who showed up to the meeting to speak out in support of removing the mandate.
Fuck these people for supporting endangering my kids.
It's not a cap on charges. They're just rejecting a mandate that in person and telehealth have to have the exact same reimbursement.Smoove_B wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:55 pm I guess my take on this is that they're going to cap charges and telehealth options will disappear because providers aren't going to invest in a service that doesn't have a good ROI - completely undermining access to health long after this pandemic ends (in 2025).