Political Randomness

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:55 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:39 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:22 pm
malchior wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 pm Super weird note on that. Any google search on 'vote no on HB 38' returns a reference to a somewhat controversial bill in PA that didn't go anywhere. The bill in Utah appears to refer to blocking porn in school. Why would people be upset that schools would have to block porn? Weird stuff all around.
Mainly hepcat.
www dot beaarthurnakedaerobics dot com is NOT porn!

Look, they're never going to add it to the statewide mandatory curriculum. I think you need to let it go.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:56 pm

It's part of the three R's....readin', writin' and raaaaaaawr

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:57 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 pm Super weird note on that. Any google search on 'vote no on HB 38' returns a reference to a somewhat controversial bill in PA that didn't go anywhere. The bill in Utah appears to refer to blocking porn in school. Why would people be upset that schools would have to block porn? Weird stuff all around.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a Utah bill to ban "porn in schools" is aimed at thwarting sex education that deals frankly with contraception and non-missionary non-procreative non-hetero sex.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:44 pm

Deseret

Companies that provide digital services to K-12 Utah public schools could see new porn filtering contract clauses under a proposal that earned committee approval on Friday.

HB38 would require the providers of digital services and products used by Utah public schools to have mechanisms in place to block all “obscene or pornographic material,” according to bill language. And failure to successfully block such content, or quickly address any issues of explicit material making it past filtering mechanisms, could lead to loss of payment or contract termination.

The proposal’s sponsor, Rep. Travis Seegmiller, R-St. George, said his bill was crafted to help keep companies from inadvertently blocking appropriate content and avoiding practices that could be characterized as censorship or “book burning.”
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Committee members voted unanimously to advance HB38 to the full House for that body’s consideration.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:37 am

I'm sure that will work out fine. These companies have been holding back their flawless filters for just such an opportunity.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:18 pm

South Dakota AG admitted to police he was reading Joe Biden conspiracy theories while driving, he at some point hit a man, the man came through windshield, the AG left him to die on side of road, and the body wasn't found until the next morning. He has so far been charged with 3 misdemeanors not related to the man's death. Unreal.

https://twitter.com/timothywjohnson/sta ... 4032835585

https://twitter.com/timothywjohnson/sta ... 8697927680

Edit: Update with NY Times account of this.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:23 pm

WaPo

Days after South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg fatally struck a man while driving in September, detectives told the Republican official they had found a pair of broken reading glasses inside his Ford Taurus. They belonged to the man he killed.

That was a problem, detectives said, because Ravnsborg, 44, said he didn’t know he had hit a man until the following day, when he returned to the scene and found the body of Joseph Boever, 55, in a ditch.

“They’re Joe’s glasses, so that means his face came through your windshield,” one of the detectives said in an interview released by the South Dakota Department of Public Safety on Tuesday.
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Last week, prosecutors announced three misdemeanor charges against Ravnsborg. If found guilty of all charges, Ravnsborg could face up to 90 days in jail and $1,500 in damages.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:32 pm

What's galling is his defense continues to be he thought he hit a deer. If you have the time to watch the video, it's clear he is lying to the police. They essentially pull a tacit admission out of him of the whole thing. Yet he is digging in - probably because he has a belief that his wealth and power will act as a shield. We'll see.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:39 pm

I mean, he's only been charged with misdemeanors, and probably won't spend a day in jail.

It's the wrongful death suit that will be his largest concern going forward.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:48 pm

malchior wrote:Yet he is digging in - probably because he has a belief that his wealth and power will act as a shield.

Beyond reasonable assumption. His being the right color is just gravy.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:52 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:39 pm I mean, he's only been charged with misdemeanors, and probably won't spend a day in jail.

It's the wrongful death suit that will be his largest concern going forward.

I guess - IMO he is screwed in a civil suit. The video sinks him. He should have far more criminal liability tbh. That he is only charged with misdemeanors is outrageous considering the video. I expect that is why they released it because even the police are like...this is fucking bullshit people.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:13 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:32 pmWhat's galling is his defense continues to be he thought he hit a deer. If you have the time to watch the video, it's clear he is lying to the police.

The video is hard to watch as the police describe what happened to the victim during the accident and where they were finding parts of him inside the vehicle. The victim walking was on the shoulder with a flashlight that was on and shone "like a beacon". Ravnsborg killed him while he was going 65mph+ down the road, reading on his phone.

When I watch these videos I don't know how cops can remain composed and continue trying to coax details and confessions out of people by being friendly and pretending to be an ally to them. When you're sitting 2 feet from someone who's giving you graphic details about how they abused children or murdered people... I don't think I'd be very friendly. I don't think I'd be an investigator for very long at all.

The hole this guy digs himself into is impressive, doubly so when you consider his position. I would expect someone familiar with the law to never even have sat for an interview.

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:18 pmHe has so far been charged with 3 misdemeanors not related to the man's death.

That should leave the door open to something like vehicular manslaughter, yes?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:33 pm

Paingod wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:13 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:32 pmWhat's galling is his defense continues to be he thought he hit a deer. If you have the time to watch the video, it's clear he is lying to the police.
The video is hard to watch as the police describe what happened to the victim during the accident and where they were finding parts of him inside the vehicle. The victim walking was on the shoulder with a flashlight that was on and shone "like a beacon". Ravnsborg killed him while he was going 65mph+ down the road, reading on his phone.

When I watch these videos I don't know how cops can remain composed and continue trying to coax details and confessions out of people by being friendly and pretending to be an ally to them. When you're sitting 2 feet from someone who's giving you graphic details about how they abused children or murdered people... I don't think I'd be very friendly. I don't think I'd be an investigator for very long at all.

The hole this guy digs himself into is impressive, doubly so when you consider his position. I would expect someone familiar with the law to never even have sat for an interview.
malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:18 pmHe has so far been charged with 3 misdemeanors not related to the man's death.
That should leave the door open to something like vehicular manslaughter, yes?

You'd think and hit and run.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:38 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:33 pm You'd think and hit and run.

“All I could see were pieces of my vehicle laying on and around the roadway,” he said in a statement. When the sheriff arrived, he added, they both searched more and found no evidence of anything or anyone in the ditch.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:40 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:33 pm You'd think and hit and run.

“All I could see were pieces of my vehicle laying on and around the roadway,” he said in a statement. When the sheriff arrived, he added, they both searched more and found no evidence of anything or anyone in the ditch.

Cool. Add in conspiracy charges?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:54 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:33 pm You'd think and hit and run.

“All I could see were pieces of my vehicle laying on and around the roadway,” he said in a statement. When the sheriff arrived, he added, they both searched more and found no evidence of anything or anyone in the ditch.

Then he found him the next day on his own...let's say he didn't notice the guys face in his car. He went back out to find a deer?

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:40 pmCool. Add in conspiracy charges?

That's an angle I can get behind...maybe. FWIW some have questioned the Sheriff's role from what I read.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:38 pm

Fuck Ted Cruz some more.

Cary Elwes and Ted Cruz Are Continuing Their Princess Bride Twitter Battle

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:57 am

I can't believe the Pope is visiting Iraq. With all the fanatics over there I can't imagine this ending well.
I'm sure they have a large and tight security but there are a lot of unhappy people over there.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:16 am

dbt1949 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:57 am I can't believe the Pope is visiting Iraq. With all the fanatics over there I can't imagine this ending well.
I'm sure they have a large and tight security but there are a lot of unhappy people over there.

He visited the U.S. just a few years back. He can handle it.

Seriously, though, it's not like Iraqi cities are ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. It's a functioning country. The danger people are discussing most in his visit is not a violent attack but exposure to Covid.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm

Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:20 am

I'll bet.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:21 am

Isn't she like the Princess of England or something? She probably has a better shot at becoming a queen.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:19 am

Kraken wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:21 am Isn't she like the Princess of England or something? She probably has a better shot at becoming a queen.

She's the Duchess of Sussex, apparently trying to bring royalty to the colonies. She's not white enough to be queen, but certainly not lacking in ambition.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:51 am

Jaymann wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

all of you really going to take a UKBritish tabloid at its word on this one?

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:12 am

A chat about Tucker Carlson that was just fun to listen to, and not in a good way. Tucker 2024 or 2028?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:24 am

Jaymann wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

Disaster. Hopefully the "Senior Democrats" make her see reason and she's happy running a failed bid for the House.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:36 am

Paingod wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:12 am A chat about Tucker Carlson that was just fun to listen to, and not in a good way. Tucker 2024 or 2028?

At lest Tucker rhymes with Fucker. We can get some mileage out of that.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:49 am

hitbyambulance wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:51 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

all of you really going to take a UKBritish tabloid at its word on this one?

What, are they not fully reliable or something?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:50 am

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:49 am
hitbyambulance wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:51 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

all of you really going to take a UKBritish tabloid at its word on this one?
What, are they not fully reliable or something?

Not "officially."

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:38 pm

hitbyambulance wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:51 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:16 pm Must admit, I did not see this coming:

Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
BREAKING: Meghan Markle is 'considering running for president in 2024', and is networking with Senior Democrats

Via @DailyMirror

all of you really going to take a UKBritish tabloid at its word on this one?

I saw it corroborated on Page Six.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:30 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:49 am What, are they not fully reliable or something?

I'm not saying they're not, but the lead contender for Markle's running mate is either Bat Boy or Elvis Found Alive.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:39 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:30 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:49 am What, are they not fully reliable or something?
I'm not saying they're not, but the lead contender for Markle's running mate is either Bat Boy or Elvis Found Alive.

I've heard that Bat Boy has some compelling ideas.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:41 pm

What? Theres pages after page 3??

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:11 pm

Capitol Police officer suspended after a congressional aide spotted a copy of the 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' binder clipped in his work area. WUT?

U.S. Capitol Police suspended an officer Monday after a copy of an infamous antisemitic tract was found near a Capitol Hill security post Sunday, alarming a congressional aide who viewed the document in plain sight at the checkpoint.

Photographs provided to The Washington Post show a printed copy of the Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion on a table inside an entrance of the Longworth House Office Building.

The Post provided the photographs to the Capitol Police on Monday morning and requested comment. The department said Monday evening that acting chief Yogananda Pittman had suspended an officer pending an investigation “after anti-Semitic reading material was discovered near his work area on Sunday.”

“We take all allegations of inappropriate behavior seriously,” Pittman said in the statement. “Once this matter was brought to my attention, I immediately ordered the officer to be suspended until the Office of Professional Responsibility can thoroughly investigate.”

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:20 pm

Paingod wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:12 am A chat about Tucker Carlson that was just fun to listen to, and not in a good way. Tucker 2024 or 2028?

This is what's scary. Tucker Carlson is (far more than a Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz or even Don Jr) the most charismatic heir and standard-bearer for white-supremacist America-First MAGA politics.

I've watched him enough to know that he would be a formidable candidate. He knows how to play the rage-and-resentment game Trump was playing.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:40 pm

Carlson is definitely slimy enough. According to my twitter feed he just poured gasoline on anti-vax fires.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1371615817352278026

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:59 pm

Good lord, that’s even further than I thought he would go.

The man is truly dangerous at this point.

Also, people...doctors....professionals...DO answer those questions, you prick. Just not with the answers you and your inbred followers want to hear.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:17 pm

The trumpelos are *this close* to going outright pro-Covid.

Tao · Post by **Tao** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:36 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:11 pm Capitol Police officer suspended after a congressional aide spotted a copy of the 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' binder clipped in his work area. WUT?

U.S. Capitol Police suspended an officer Monday after a copy of an infamous antisemitic tract was found near a Capitol Hill security post Sunday, alarming a congressional aide who viewed the document in plain sight at the checkpoint.

Photographs provided to The Washington Post show a printed copy of the Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion on a table inside an entrance of the Longworth House Office Building.

The Post provided the photographs to the Capitol Police on Monday morning and requested comment. The department said Monday evening that acting chief Yogananda Pittman had suspended an officer pending an investigation “after anti-Semitic reading material was discovered near his work area on Sunday.”

“We take all allegations of inappropriate behavior seriously,” Pittman said in the statement. “Once this matter was brought to my attention, I immediately ordered the officer to be suspended until the Office of Professional Responsibility can thoroughly investigate.”

So apparently if you swing the needle far enough to the left it comes back around to Fascism. I unequivocally do not support anti-Semitism but this feels intrinsically wrong and a slippery slope. The articles available don't offer much detail other than to quote “We take all allegations of inappropriate behavior seriously...", so simply reading objectionable material is now inappropriate behavior? Was the officer known to make anti-Semitic comments or behave in a manner that indicated they were racist? I suppose the case could be made that it was found in the workplace but this feels very akin to book banning/burning.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:19 pm

If you're going to read problematic material, for whatever reason, perhaps don't do it at work and visible in a manner in which the people whom you serve might see it and find it objectionable, regardless of context. Especially when you are a public employee who has the power of life and death hanging from their belt and working in the nation's capitol.