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Ant what sort of cartridge/filter are they recommending? (asking for a friend who might be me)Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:57 pm
The people I follow online are split 50/50. Some are saying not to worry yet, but others are already busting out graphs showing how it's rapidly spreading in South Africa at a rate higher than Delta and we all need to switch to elastomer masks.
That was less a comment on evolution and more a cautionary note about how quickly Delta spread and took over. It seems like Delta has been the only game in town forever, and six months ago it didn't even have a name. If this new Nu from the land of the gnu does the same, it'll happen fast.Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:08 amThat's like 250,000 years in virus years.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 am For reference, Delta got its name less than six months ago.
We missed several chances to squash this thing due to poor decisions and lack of cooperation. Every time we gain some ground we declare victory and party like it's 1999.
You can read the official guidance here, but the N95 or N100 would be the ones to get. The idea overall is that this mask would be a better fit and get you closer to true N95+ filtration (assuming it fits your face/head correctly) than whatever mask you're using now. They recommend against the pancake style filters on this page because this is really focused on health care application, but they would be fine for regular use. Having them in plastic housing would be better, but it wouldn't be a deal killer for me if I could only get pancake style right now.Formix wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:39 am Ant what sort of cartridge/filter are they recommending? (asking for a friend who might be me)
Agreed. And if Nu can actually outcompete and replace Delta, it's going to be vicious.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:30 amThat was less a comment on evolution and more a cautionary note about how quickly Delta spread and took over. It seems like Delta has been the only game in town forever, and six months ago it didn't even have a name. If this new Nu from the land of the gnu does the same, it'll happen fast.Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:08 amThat's like 250,000 years in virus years.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 am For reference, Delta got its name less than six months ago.
We missed several chances to squash this thing due to poor decisions and lack of cooperation. Every time we gain some ground we declare victory and party like it's 1999.
It's kinda cool how they're already starting to science the hell out of it so quickly. How that ends up impacting anything, who knows, but the speed at which they're taking a look at the ingredients is kinda impressive.So the mutation profile is bad (as @PeacockFlu and others have already pointed out). We don't yet know how they act together, or how a virus with so many changes will behave. We need to learn more, fast. To end on a hopeful note, it's mind-blowing how quickly we've got this far. Kudos to @Tuliodna et al for getting this out, and setting the global scientific community onto experiments to answer more of these questions. Let's get to work.
Gee, what has happened so far with this pandemic that would lead you to believe we're not going to take this seriously?malchior wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:39 pm It's impressive for sure. That they've been doing enough 'cataloguing' to group together and predict mutations and possible theories of impact to test are great. The few discussions I read don't sound good at all based on this foresight. I also can't help but think all this early warning will be wasted.
For what it's worth....Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:12 amAgreed. And if Nu can actually outcompete and replace Delta, it's going to be vicious.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:30 amThat was less a comment on evolution and more a cautionary note about how quickly Delta spread and took over. It seems like Delta has been the only game in town forever, and six months ago it didn't even have a name. If this new Nu from the land of the gnu does the same, it'll happen fast.Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:08 amThat's like 250,000 years in virus years.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 am For reference, Delta got its name less than six months ago.
We missed several chances to squash this thing due to poor decisions and lack of cooperation. Every time we gain some ground we declare victory and party like it's 1999.
The Technical Advisory Group on SARS-CoV-2 Virus Evolution (TAG-VE) is an independent group of experts that periodically monitors and evaluates the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 and assesses if specific mutations and combinations of mutations alter the behaviour of the virus. The TAG-VE was convened on 26 November 2021 to assess the SARS-CoV-2 variant: B.1.1.529.
The B.1.1.529 variant was first reported to WHO from South Africa on 24 November 2021. The epidemiological situation in South Africa has been characterized by three distinct peaks in reported cases, the latest of which was predominantly the Delta variant. In recent weeks, infections have increased steeply, coinciding with the detection of B.1.1.529 variant. The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.
This variant has a large number of mutations, some of which are concerning. Preliminary evidence suggests an increased risk of reinfection with this variant, as compared to other VOCs. The number of cases of this variant appears to be increasing in almost all provinces in South Africa. Current SARS-CoV-2 PCR diagnostics continue to detect this variant. Several labs have indicated that for one widely used PCR test, one of the three target genes is not detected (called S gene dropout or S gene target failure) and this test can therefore be used as marker for this variant, pending sequencing confirmation. Using this approach, this variant has been detected at faster rates than previous surges in infection, suggesting that this variant may have a growth advantage.
There are a number of studies underway and the TAG-VE will continue to evaluate this variant. WHO will communicate new findings with Member States and to the public as needed.
Based on the evidence presented indicative of a detrimental change in COVID-19 epidemiology, the TAG-VE has advised WHO that this variant should be designated as a VOC, and the WHO has designated B.1.1.529 as a VOC, named Omicron.
Are there any readily-available elastomeric ventilators that don't have unfiltered exhalation vents?Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:12 amYou can read the official guidance here, but the N95 or N100 would be the ones to get. The idea overall is that this mask would be a better fit and get you closer to true N95+ filtration (assuming it fits your face/head correctly) than whatever mask you're using now. They recommend against the pancake style filters on this page because this is really focused on health care application, but they would be fine for regular use. Having them in plastic housing would be better, but it wouldn't be a deal killer for me if I could only get pancake style right now.Formix wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:39 am Ant what sort of cartridge/filter are they recommending? (asking for a friend who might be me)
I'm not going to lie, I'm considering it - just in case.
They were approved in 2020 by NIOSH, but here's the list. "Readily available" is the rub. While I wouldn't wear an unfiltered exhalation in a medical setting, if I'm being honest, I don't have a problem wearing a traditional one while venturing into a super market. Or apparently to fill my car with go-go juice while looking for cans of Dinki-Di.Max Peck wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 pm Are there any readily-available elastomeric ventilators that don't have unfiltered exhalation vents?
Huh, I could have sworn I saw a post here about it being Nu a day or two ago. That's OK, if it's going to kill me, I'd prefer it have the cooler name.Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 pmFor what it's worth....Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:12 amAgreed. And if Nu can actually outcompete and replace Delta, it's going to be vicious.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:30 amThat was less a comment on evolution and more a cautionary note about how quickly Delta spread and took over. It seems like Delta has been the only game in town forever, and six months ago it didn't even have a name. If this new Nu from the land of the gnu does the same, it'll happen fast.Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:08 amThat's like 250,000 years in virus years.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 am For reference, Delta got its name less than six months ago.
We missed several chances to squash this thing due to poor decisions and lack of cooperation. Every time we gain some ground we declare victory and party like it's 1999.
I've read that it's called Omicron, not Nu.
So we're rooting for Delta?Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:12 amAgreed. And if Nu can actually outcompete and replace Delta, it's going to be vicious.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:30 amThat was less a comment on evolution and more a cautionary note about how quickly Delta spread and took over. It seems like Delta has been the only game in town forever, and six months ago it didn't even have a name. If this new Nu from the land of the gnu does the same, it'll happen fast.Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:08 amThat's like 250,000 years in virus years.Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 am For reference, Delta got its name less than six months ago.
We missed several chances to squash this thing due to poor decisions and lack of cooperation. Every time we gain some ground we declare victory and party like it's 1999.
I feel we're getting closer to Metro/Stalker every day.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:34 pmThey were approved in 2020 by NIOSH, but here's the list. "Readily available" is the rub. While I wouldn't wear an unfiltered exhalation in a medical setting, if I'm being honest, I don't have a problem wearing a traditional one while venturing into a super market. Or apparently to fill my car with go-go juice while looking for cans of Dinki-Di.Max Peck wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 pm Are there any readily-available elastomeric ventilators that don't have unfiltered exhalation vents?
I did find one Canadian supplier that at least listed one of those ventilators, but with none in stock.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:34 pmThey were approved in 2020 by NIOSH, but here's the list. "Readily available" is the rub. While I wouldn't wear an unfiltered exhalation in a medical setting, if I'm being honest, I don't have a problem wearing a traditional one while venturing into a super market. Or apparently to fill my car with go-go juice while looking for cans of Dinki-Di.Max Peck wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 pm Are there any readily-available elastomeric ventilators that don't have unfiltered exhalation vents?
It's a good choice, but as always it comes down to fit and anything with single loops over the ears is going to potentially not be tight enough to the shape of your face to get the seal needed for 95% filtration.Max Peck wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:52 pm For the time being I'll continue to rely on my "C95" masks.
Its funny because when I went to see my cardiologist (routine visit) in the summer of 2020, he was wearing an elastomer mask like the ones they're saying to wear now. When I went back a few months ago for another routine checkup, he was wearing a more comfortable elastomer mask that he said came from somewhere in Europe (Croatia? Serbia?)
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One of the reasons I selected that particular product (although, to be fair, they didn't have a lot of competition at the beginning of 2021) is that they use head bands rather than ear loops. If I'm careful when I fit the mask, it seems to keep a good seal.Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 pmIt's a good choice, but as always it comes down to fit and anything with single loops over the ears is going to potentially not be tight enough to the shape of your face to get the seal needed for 95% filtration.Max Peck wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:52 pm For the time being I'll continue to rely on my "C95" masks.
Like this?Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:32 pm Amazon has them along with the filters. You can also likely get them in any hardware store (local, big box) as they're more commonly used for people into woodworking, painting, furniture refinishing, etc...
3M seems to be the most common manufacturer and I believe the 6xxx series are the ones with the silicone seal for your face. They come in S/M/L sizes. Don't bother if you have facial hair as you'll never get a seal.
That's when Boston reimplemented its indoor mask mandate.
Wear your mask indoors and, IMO, in crowded outdoor spaces during surges and stop complaining about it, thank you.
Nice catch. I didn't get around to checking Amazon.ca for the GVS mask, and they actually have it in stock, along with replacement filters. Time to add to my PPE collection.El Guapo wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:06 pmLike this?Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:32 pm Amazon has them along with the filters. You can also likely get them in any hardware store (local, big box) as they're more commonly used for people into woodworking, painting, furniture refinishing, etc...
3M seems to be the most common manufacturer and I believe the 6xxx series are the ones with the silicone seal for your face. They come in S/M/L sizes. Don't bother if you have facial hair as you'll never get a seal.
Are there any that don't make you look like Bane? Not an issue for me, but if I'm going to get my kids to wear these, especially at school, that's likely to be a problem.
So...are the tests not working or did people supply fraudulent information to get on a plane? So many questions. The big theory gaining popularity right now is that Omnicron has likely been circulating for over a month at this point and that until is hit a country that was doing aggressive testing and genomic sequencing (i.e. South Africa) we didn't know about it. So again, it's not that it originated in South Africa - they were just the first to detect and identify it. Won't be surprising then to learn it's already here in the U.S. and that the call to limit travelers from South Africa by Biden was pointless (as Fauci mentions in this article above).Nevertheless, the positive tests from the two KLM flights that landed at Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport dramatically illustrated the potential threat. Health experts believe Omicron is behind South Africa’s recent COVID surge—and 10 percent of those on the jets were infected.
Those fliers are now in quarantine, but the specter of other infected travelers slipping through testing protocols and going on to their destinations undetected looms large.
I think all of this has been pretty clear for awhile now.malchior wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 pm I suspect Biden is only taking perfunctory steps because his WH is sensitive to how deeply unpopular he is. They probably figure that people won't listen and/or he will be heavily undermined by politicized state decision processes. Also some courts likely won't allow him to act. We are on our own here.
Well, that and negative pressure rooms if it's a TB/ID hospital.Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 pm
I wish I could remember where I saw the article, but there's one hospital in all of the United States that had zero COVID-19 cases in staff. It was a TB hospital in TX and the reason is (they believe) because all the staff wear elastomer masks with P100 filtration. That article is from 2020, at the height of the PPE crisis.
48% of US population fully vaccinated, but not boosted
35% eligible, but not fully vaccinated
6% under age 5 (not eligible for vaccination)
Only 11% fully vaccinated and boosted
The omicron variant could be less, as much, or more transmissible and/or virulent than prior SARSCoV2 lineages in circulation. Only real data will tell, and any prediction about omicron's virulence remains largely futile at this stage.
Can you explain this graph to people who aren't from MA? What's an MWRA service area? Is MWRA Boston and non-MWRA non-Boston? Is it different parts of the city? Of the state?Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:32 pm More visualization from MA showing how important masks are
https://twitter.com/BioTurboNick/status ... 4034528261
See where the lines split apart in September?
That's when Boston reimplemented its indoor mask mandate.
Wear your mask indoors and, IMO, in crowded outdoor spaces during surges and stop complaining about it, thank you.
It's a breakdown based on where people receive their public water from - so it's a geographical distribution. I don't know the specifics, but I believe it's showing Boston and Boston adjacent (MWRA service) vs places more in what might be labeled "suburbs". So the City proper had mask mandates while outlier areas did not - and so we see increased cases in communities (zip codes?) without mask mandates in place. That's the theory, anyway.Blackhawk wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:27 pm Can you explain this graph to people who aren't from MA? What's an MWRA service area? Is MWRA Boston and non-MWRA non-Boston? Is it different parts of the city? Of the state?
With a study indicating that unvaxxed's COVID virus showing far more genetic diversity than vaxxed folks, it's pretty clear who's creating the new variants with scary names like delta, mu, and omicron. They are killing themselves and dragging us along with them.The 55-year-old died in Austria last week after contracting the virus. Similar parties are now prevalent in the Italian city of Bolzano and elsewhere across the province of South Tyrol, Rai Alto Adige reported, citing Patrick Franzoni, deputy co-ordinator of a COVID unit in the city.
Franzoni said he and colleagues are aware that some young people are deliberately attempting to catch COVID-19, with the ultimate goal of obtaining a "green pass" without being vaccinated against COVID-19.