Election integrity and the transfer of power

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:54 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:49 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:45 pm There is a reason, though.
True - should have said good reason. Installing loyalists at the Pentagon just days after you lost the election has zero non-authoritarian overtones without exigent reasons (illness/death/etc.)

Unfortunately, despite corporations being people, Docu-Shred isn't eligible for a Chief of staff position.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:02 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:54 pm
malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:49 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:45 pm There is a reason, though.
True - should have said good reason. Installing loyalists at the Pentagon just days after you lost the election has zero non-authoritarian overtones without exigent reasons (illness/death/etc.)
Unfortunately, despite corporations being people, Docu-Shred isn't eligible for a Chief of staff position.

It is quite sad that "oh, Trump's just putting these people in place to destroy incriminating records" is the more comforting explanation.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 pm

One item of comfort is that Trump did worse with the military vote than any Republican in decades (and especially, if past polling indicates, among officers).

I doubt too many of those suckers and losers are itching to betray their oaths to keep his bone spurs in the White House.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:11 pm

To use the terminology of militias and conspiracy theorists I'll throw out that there's a false flag operation in the works which will lay the blame for some incident at the hands of some leftist organizations, resulting in Trump issuing a PEAD (Presidential Emergency Action Document) ordering general martial law to be declared.

Of course, this is just something that would make for great fiction and not very probable...right?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:12 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 pm One item of comfort is that Trump did worse with the military vote than any Republican in decades (and especially, if past polling indicates, among officers).

I doubt too many of those suckers and losers are itching to betray their oaths to keep his bone spurs in the White House.

Trump lost the election. He will lose in the courts. But what if he orders tanks to the inauguration on January 20. Who will stop him?

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:16 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 pm One item of comfort is that Trump did worse with the military vote than any Republican in decades (and especially, if past polling indicates, among officers).

I doubt too many of those suckers and losers are itching to betray their oaths to keep his bone spurs in the White House.
Trump lost the election. He will lose in the courts. But what if he orders tanks to the inauguration on January 20. Who will stop him?

It won't be a lawful order. But such a thing would probably cause enough chaos that what hostile power wouldn't want to lick their chops and take us on.

WOLVERINES!

But on a serious note I'd like to see him try since he would be shut down damn quick by a military who's not going to be eager to wage war against the civilian population due to the whims of a narcissist.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:18 pm

FWIW I'm not super worried about Trump trying to launch a military coup or something. What I'm more worried about is that he's planning on doing other stuff which would reasonably lead to rioting, and he wants to be sure to have as much military support as he can when responding to that.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:19 pm

Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:12 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 pm One item of comfort is that Trump did worse with the military vote than any Republican in decades (and especially, if past polling indicates, among officers).

I doubt too many of those suckers and losers are itching to betray their oaths to keep his bone spurs in the White House.
Trump lost the election. He will lose in the courts. But what if he orders tanks to the inauguration on January 20. Who will stop him?

Members of the military aren't supposed to follow illegal orders, and they are culpable if they do so.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:21 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:19 pm
Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:12 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 pm One item of comfort is that Trump did worse with the military vote than any Republican in decades (and especially, if past polling indicates, among officers).

I doubt too many of those suckers and losers are itching to betray their oaths to keep his bone spurs in the White House.
Trump lost the election. He will lose in the courts. But what if he orders tanks to the inauguration on January 20. Who will stop him?
Members of the military aren't supposed to follow illegal orders, and they are culpable if they do so.

That only works if things return to normal when the chaos is over.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:24 pm

Archinerd wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:21 pm That only works if things return to normal when the chaos is over.

If gives the Pentagon (which by and large does not like Trump) cover to refuse his orders to deploy the military in the first place.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:30 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:24 pm
Archinerd wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:21 pm That only works if things return to normal when the chaos is over.
If gives the Pentagon (which by and large does not like Trump) cover to refuse his orders to deploy the military in the first place.

But the Pentagon does not speak with a single voice. If the Joint Chiefs support the unlawful order, just how far down the chain before there is resistance:

Colonel to his general: Sir, with all due respect that is an unlawful order and I cannot comply, sir.

General: Arrest that man for treason!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:49 pm

Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:24 pm
Archinerd wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:21 pm That only works if things return to normal when the chaos is over.
If gives the Pentagon (which by and large does not like Trump) cover to refuse his orders to deploy the military in the first place.
But the Pentagon does not speak with a single voice. If the Joint Chiefs support the unlawful order, just how far down the chain before there is resistance:

Colonel to his general: Sir, with all due respect that is an unlawful order and I cannot comply, sir.

General: Arrest that man for treason!

The tv version might go that way.

The Joint Chiefs aren't in the chain of command so while they might message about certain actions they'll often be following the lead of the President, SecDef, or the Secretary of their branch - all civilians. That is why this is a little nerve racking because Esper was a sycophant but he also knew where the reasonable boundaries were. And that got him fired. That Trump is continuing down the line doesn't look good.

Edit: Some perspective from Vindman.

https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1326282555952418816

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:00 pm

This is a fantasy scenario, really. Even bringing a (say) brigade-sized unit into action would require *scores* of officers to cooperate (and then all of their enlisted soldiers to obey), and then you'd need the entire rest of the military to countenance it in a grand coordinated manner. The U.S. military is a fairly conservative organization, but I don't think they're primed for a coup.

I'm actually confident that illegal orders from Trump loyalists in the DoD would hit a wall with the first actual general.

Trump is flailing, perhaps trying to convince himself of a fantasy of holding on to power, but the rest of the party is just trying to figure out how to game the situation in a way that will hold the senate in Georgia.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:09 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:00 pm This is a fantasy scenario, really. Even bringing a (say) brigade-sized unit into action would require *scores* of officers to cooperate (and then all of their enlisted soldiers to obey), and then you'd need the entire rest of the military to countenance it in a grand coordinated manner. The U.S. military is a fairly conservative organization, but I don't think they're primed for a coup.

I'm actually confident that illegal orders from Trump loyalists in the DoD would hit a wall with the first actual general.

Trump is flailing, perhaps trying to convince himself of a fantasy of holding on to power, but the rest of the party is just trying to figure out how to game the situation in a way that will hold the senate in Georgia.

Those are all reasons why Trump's efforts may not yield what he wants, but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't planning to *try* something where he thinks military support will be important.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm

The TX Lt Gov is now paying up to $1MM for people to find voter fraud evidence for them.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is offering $1 million in rewards to people who can help uncover voter fraud in the presidential election.

Patrick on Tuesday said in a press release to the media that any person who comes forward with evidence that leads to an arrest and final conviction of voter fraud will be paid a minimum of $25,000. The money would ostensibly come from Patrick’s campaign funds, but his spokesman would not comment.

Jesus, this is just sad.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:28 pm

Pretty soon people are going to be talking about TX for reasons other than a $1 million bounty on voter fraud, trust me.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm The TX Lt Gov is now paying up to $1MM for people to find voter fraud evidence for them.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is offering $1 million in rewards to people who can help uncover voter fraud in the presidential election.

Patrick on Tuesday said in a press release to the media that any person who comes forward with evidence that leads to an arrest and final conviction of voter fraud will be paid a minimum of $25,000. The money would ostensibly come from Patrick’s campaign funds, but his spokesman would not comment.
Jesus, this is just sad.

Sad, but in a Bizzarro World way it may actually be helpful as proof of no voter fraud. Certainly a parade of goofballs will come forward with wild claims, but there will be no arrests or convictions. Can't wait until the hotline gets a deluge of tic toc calls.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:51 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:49 pm https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1326282555952418816

We all assume that he's going to attack the US, but I read somewhere that trump may be setting up a surprise attack on Iran as his parting gift to the nation. Seems like we'd be seeing troop movements, unless it's a missile/air attack. Is that more farfetched than the coup scenarios?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:55 pm

Nah, Iran helped Trump's election disinformation efforts. Mexico might be nervous, however.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:56 pm

You all may want to be sitting down for this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/st ... 4120318978

Postal worker featured by Republicans as evidence of vote tampering admits he made it up; GOP donors gave him $130,000

I would love to see someone go to jail over this.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:59 pm

First Stormy Daniels now this. What is it with $130,000?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:01 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:28 pm Pretty soon people are going to be talking about TX for reasons other than a $1 million bounty on voter fraud, trust me.

That's only $1 per COVID case in the state. Sad.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:59 pm First Stormy Daniels now this. What is it with $130,000?

Ten fingers, a tie, and two shoes times $10,000.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 pm

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1326 ... 31840?s=19

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:10 pm

Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:59 pm First Stormy Daniels now this. What is it with $130,000?

The $130K was what he crowdfunded from the moron brigade by doing a "HELP, HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED BY LIBERALS" GoFundMe drive.

It didn't come from the campaign itself.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:11 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm The TX Lt Gov is now paying up to $1MM for people to find voter fraud evidence for them.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is offering $1 million in rewards to people who can help uncover voter fraud in the presidential election.

Patrick on Tuesday said in a press release to the media that any person who comes forward with evidence that leads to an arrest and final conviction of voter fraud will be paid a minimum of $25,000. The money would ostensibly come from Patrick’s campaign funds, but his spokesman would not comment.
Jesus, this is just sad.

Trump won Texas...fraud there would be amusing.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:23 pm

i was just pulling together state certification deadlines because I have a sneaking suspicion they'll hold out at least until the battlegrounds are certified:

AZ - 11/30
GA - 11/17
MI - 12/13
NV - 11/24
PA - 11/23
WI - 12/1

So this could drag out into early December especially if AZ falls back to Trump. It'd deny Biden an explicit victory until the next day when WI certifies. This assumes all the states file on their deadline which is probably inaccurate. That is a lot of time for Trump to fuck around.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:35 pm

USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9048355840

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:40 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:09 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:00 pm This is a fantasy scenario, really. Even bringing a (say) brigade-sized unit into action would require *scores* of officers to cooperate (and then all of their enlisted soldiers to obey), and then you'd need the entire rest of the military to countenance it in a grand coordinated manner. The U.S. military is a fairly conservative organization, but I don't think they're primed for a coup.

I'm actually confident that illegal orders from Trump loyalists in the DoD would hit a wall with the first actual general.

Trump is flailing, perhaps trying to convince himself of a fantasy of holding on to power, but the rest of the party is just trying to figure out how to game the situation in a way that will hold the senate in Georgia.
Those are all reasons why Trump's efforts may not yield what he wants, but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't planning to *try* something where he thinks military support will be important.

There's another factor involved here, setting up his next life. This of course means getting a solid cohort for TrumpTV but it also might mean moving to an extradition-free country like UAE (who we just sold serious military tech to for their approval of an embassy in Jerusalem and said tech that likely will now become Russian tech via friendly transfer/sale from the UAE). These firings also put in place a better chance of destroying evidence of their dirty deeds. It's brazen and scary as hell thinking about all the things they will break on the way out if we get there.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:48 pm

I'd be happy if all they are doing is covering their tracks. I really don't think that's the case.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:05 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:35 pm USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9048355840

Did the federal agents consent to being recorded heh? Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state...

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 pm

Octavious wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:48 pm I'd be happy if all they are doing is covering their tracks. I really don't think that's the case.

That's not what I said though. I said, "another factor" not the factor. Also, I hinted at it being more with my military hardware sale comment. Even without successfully stealing the election they can still inflict mortal wounds in spades. Every American enemy is licking their chops right now.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:22 pm

malchior wrote:USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9048355840

As noted, PA is a state that requires two-party consent to recording, so good luck with that.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:28 pm

Enough wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:05 pm
malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:35 pm USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9048355840
Did the federal agents consent to being recorded heh? Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state...

Good question also this -
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1326331199153795074

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:29 pm

I expect that this will be Veritas’ typical misleading, heavily edited bullshit. It will have no chance of actually having an impact in court, but will be lapped up by the derp-o-sphere as “proof” that the deep state is conspiring against Trump. When the court inevitably throws it out, the howls of rage will be deafening.

I’ll give the GOP credit, they absolutely have mastered the art of slimy ratfuckery...much to the detriment of us all.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:30 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:35 pm USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

James O'Keefe is the Sideshow Bob of Jacob Wohls.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:44 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:28 pm
Enough wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:05 pm
malchior wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:35 pm USPS guy released a video saying he didn't recant and he'll be releasing audio of him being coerced...to not recant I guess...tomorrow. He got the message out via James O'Keefe for extra reliability in the message.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9048355840
Did the federal agents consent to being recorded heh? Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state...
Good question also this -
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1326331199153795074

Love it and this one slayed me:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1326342765932736512

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:36 pm

That's gotta hurt.

https://twitter.com/Jordanfabian/status ... 6217720833

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:04 am

I'm waiting on Kim Jong Un.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:21 am

When you've lost Erdogan, you've lost the coup.