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malchior wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:52 pmInstead they look right past it.

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:34 pm I wonder what this parade will cost? And why cant that money go to better use? Theres still homeless people and hungry children here in mainland America.

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:34 pm I wonder what this parade will cost? And why cant that money go to better use? Theres still homeless people and hungry children here in mainland America.

Homeless children and hungry people, too.

LordMortis wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:27 pm Curious what the impregnable liberal bastion that is OO thinks. I'm seeing a lot veterans turning their back on their Trump support over this parade nonsense. (I would have never guess that was going to be the straw) Do you welcome them in to the fold as woke or do you continue your attacks for not being woke before?

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:34 pm I wonder what this parade will cost? And why cant that money go to better use? Theres still homeless people and hungry children here in mainland America.

Homeless children and hungry people, too.

Holman wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:58 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:27 pm Curious what the impregnable liberal bastion that is OO thinks. I'm seeing a lot veterans turning their back on their Trump support over this parade nonsense. (I would have never guess that was going to be the straw) Do you welcome them in to the fold as woke or do you continue your attacks for not being woke before?

I'll welcome almost anyone to the opposition. Big tent. One country. All that.

It's not like conservatives are going to become progressives, but separating the principled conservatives from the GOP's reactionary racist cult is the first step towards what could still be a functioning American Republic.

As someone who grew up Moral Majority and Reagan Youth, I'm perfectly happy to accept that people take some time to slough off their misunderstandings.

For example, there's room for intelligent debate about the urgency of global warming, what we should do about it, to what extent we can do anything...but not whether it's occurring. That's just a fact.

House Science Committee Chair Says Climate Change Is A Good Thing
Rep. Lamar Smith celebrates C0₂ for melting Arctic ice and improving Earth’s lushness.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) — who has spent his career cozying up to fossil fuel interests, dismissing the threat of climate change and harassing federal climate scientists — is now arguing that pumping the atmosphere full of carbon dioxide is “beneficial” to global trade, crop production and the lushness of the planet.

Rather than buying into “hysteria,” Americans should be celebrating the plus sides of a changing climate

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:46 pmAlso a man here 40 years with family, 4 daughters, and a business owner who revitalized a dead downtown has been deported back to Jordan with just the clothes on his back and $300.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/middleea ... index.html

msteelers wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:24 pm

malchior wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:52 pmInstead they look right past it.

This isn't quite true. I see stories on Puerto Rico pop up every day. Certainly some of that has to do with me living in Florida, but The Daily podcast from the NY Times is doing a series of features on the disaster recovery there, starting today.

Is Puerto Rico getting enough coverage? Certainly not. Is it getting covered at all? Of course it is.

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:39 am

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:46 pmAlso a man here 40 years with family, 4 daughters, and a business owner who revitalized a dead downtown has been deported back to Jordan with just the clothes on his back and $300.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/middleea ... index.html

These stories enrage me. ICE has under Trump has gone full Lawful Evil.

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:39 am These stories enrage me. ICE has under Trump has gone full Lawful Evil.

In the House, the measure easily passed despite several days of outcry from Democrats over the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals immigration program, or DACA. But 73 Democrats supported the measure, including many from districts ravaged by hurricanes that would benefit from $90 billion in disaster aid.
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The spending deal was hammered out between the Republican and Democratic Senate leaders. It increases domestic spending by $131 billion and defense spending by $165 billion over the next two years and suspend the debt limit for one year — until well after the midterm elections.

What it doesn't address is DACA. Per an agreement to end the three-day government shutdown last month, the Senate will take up DACA next week. House Democrats sought a similar agreement from House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who insisted that he will bring up DACA legislation.

Paingod wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 am

malchior wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:39 am

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:46 pmAlso a man here 40 years with family, 4 daughters, and a business owner who revitalized a dead downtown has been deported back to Jordan with just the clothes on his back and $300.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/middleea ... index.html

These stories enrage me. ICE has under Trump has gone full Lawful Evil.

Trump is a Gibbering Mouther cross bred with an Otyugh.

Of course the empire he creates isn't going to go well for the civilized races. Even the Drow don't like him and simply tolerate him for the chaos he causes.

Blackhawk wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:47 am Next week on the floor:

"Have you heard of DACA?"
Republican congressmen: "Yes!"
"Do you like it?"
"No!"
"Ok, we brought that up and debated it. Next item of business!"

For weeks, Mattis had been resisting requests from the White House to provide military options for Iran. Now Trump made clear that he wanted the Pentagon to deliver a range of plans that included striking Iranian ballistic missile factories or hitting Iranian speedboats that routinely harassed U.S. Navy vessels.

“Why can’t we sink them?” Trump would sometimes ask about the boats.

National security adviser H.R. McMaster and his staff laid out the president’s request for Mattis in a conference call, but the defense secretary refused, according to several U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. At that point, McMaster took Mattis off speakerphone, cleared his staff from the room and continued the conversation.

On Rob Porter, the President said:

"We wish him well, he worked very hard. We found out about it recently and I was surprised by it, but we certainly wish him well and it's a tough time for him. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. And we hope he has a wonderful career and he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it and certainly he's also very sad now. He also, as you probably know, says he's innocent and I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent so you have to talk to him about that, but we absolutely wish him well, he did a very good job when he was at the White House."

The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’ ” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.

article wrote:The story does conclude on the optimistic note that Chief of Staff John Kelly has made “an effort to exert more discipline” over the process, though it does not contain any conclusions about his level of success.

Skinypupy wrote:When asked about the Porter situation, this was Trump's response:

On Rob Porter, the President said:

"We wish him well, he worked very hard. We found out about it recently and I was surprised by it, but we certainly wish him well and it's a tough time for him. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. And we hope he has a wonderful career and he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it and certainly he's also very sad now. He also, as you probably know, says he's innocent and I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent so you have to talk to him about that, but we absolutely wish him well, he did a very good job when he was at the White House."

Let's put aside the third grade level grammar and word salad aspect of this response for a moment. Porter was accused of abusing multiple women, and the only thing Trump can say about it is "he was great" and "he says he's innocent". Not a single mention of support for the women involved here, or even a very basic "remember everyone, beating your wife is bad".

Tone deaf doesn't even begin to cover this asshole.

$iljanus wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:06 pm

Skinypupy wrote:When asked about the Porter situation, this was Trump's response:

On Rob Porter, the President said:

"We wish him well, he worked very hard. We found out about it recently and I was surprised by it, but we certainly wish him well and it's a tough time for him. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. And we hope he has a wonderful career and he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it and certainly he's also very sad now. He also, as you probably know, says he's innocent and I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent so you have to talk to him about that, but we absolutely wish him well, he did a very good job when he was at the White House."

Let's put aside the third grade level grammar and word salad aspect of this response for a moment. Porter was accused of abusing multiple women, and the only thing Trump can say about it is "he was great" and "he says he's innocent". Not a single mention of support for the women involved here, or even a very basic "remember everyone, beating your wife is bad".

Tone deaf doesn't even begin to cover this asshole.

Don't forget to mention how sad everyone is about it. It reads like a tragic story of how a man's promising career got derailed because his wife's face got in the way of his fist.

Daehawk wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:46 pm And the DOW dropped ANOTHER 1000+ points today.

Max Peck wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:00 am The original comment was that ICE has gone full-on LE, not the Trump administration in general. I'm OK with that characterization.

The officials emphasized that they did not consider a resignation imminent, and that Mr. Kelly — a retired four-star Marine general who early in his tenure often used a threat of quitting as a way to temper President Trump’s behavior — had made no formal offer.

But his suggestion that he would be willing to step down if the president wanted him to reflected the degree to which the scandal surrounding Mr. Porter has engulfed the White House.

Two West Wing advisers and a third person painted a picture of a White House staff riven and confused, with fingers being pointed in all directions and the president complaining privately about Mr. Kelly.

A White House speechwriter resigned Friday after his former wife claimed that he was violent and emotionally abusive during their turbulent two-and-a-half-year marriage — allegations that he vehemently denied, saying she was the one who victimized him.

The abrupt departure of David Sorensen, a speechwriter who worked closely with senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, came as The Washington Post was preparing a story about abuse claims by his ex-wife, Jessica Corbett. Corbett told The Post that she reported his behavior to the FBI last fall as the bureau was conducting a background check of Sorensen.

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Corbett first contacted The Post a week before Porter’s case became public. She said that during her marriage to Sorensen, he ran a car over her foot, put out a cigarette on her hand, threw her into a wall and grasped her menacingly by her hair while they were alone on their boat in remote waters off Maine’s coast, an incident she said left her fearing for her life. During part of their marriage, he was a top policy adviser to Republican Maine Gov. Paul LePage.

Daehawk wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:30 pm I get a big smile when these idiots think the background check wont pick up stuff and expose them. Do they simply think they can say Ive done nothing and get a job?

Daehawk wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:30 pm I get a big smile when these idiots think the background check wont pick up stuff and expose them. Do they simply think they can say Ive done nothing and get a job?