That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
These next few weeks are going to be another painful lesson, I fear.Part of what has been so maddening about the current COVID wave is the uncertainty about what epidemiologic reality we live in.
It is becoming clearer, and the answer is not good.
Broad street businesses were complaining so I reinstalled the pump handle.
Yeah I figure it'll lower the symptom threshold for me to get tested this week, at least (currently no symptoms). The kids had to test this morning before school and they both came back negative, FWIW. But it's not like I've been making out with strangers at the COVID ward recently, so I think I'm ok?Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:33 pm The app is forcing you to think about what you've been doing and if you've been anywhere unmasked around strangers. If so and/or if you start to develop symptoms, get tested.
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:42 pm Every time I feel like quitting social media, I'm sent a reminder of why it's fantastic.
https://twitter.com/NeoliberalSnow/stat ... 6630208517
Broad street businesses were complaining so I reinstalled the pump handle.
I suspect my missing knowledge to get this joke is probably 19th century British sanitation?Archinerd wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:40 pmSmoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:42 pm Every time I feel like quitting social media, I'm sent a reminder of why it's fantastic.
https://twitter.com/NeoliberalSnow/stat ... 6630208517
Broad street businesses were complaining so I reinstalled the pump handle.
Suspicion confirmed.Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:49 pm Cholera epidemic caused by a contaminated well. He removed the pump handle.
But is that any way to really live?El Guapo wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:38 pmYeah I figure it'll lower the symptom threshold for me to get tested this week, at least (currently no symptoms). The kids had to test this morning before school and they both came back negative, FWIW. But it's not like I've been making out with strangers at the COVID ward recently, so I think I'm ok?Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:33 pm The app is forcing you to think about what you've been doing and if you've been anywhere unmasked around strangers. If so and/or if you start to develop symptoms, get tested.
Well, last time I took a spin through the COVID ward it was only uggos there, so I figured I would come back another time. You have to have standards!ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 pmBut is that any way to really live?El Guapo wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:38 pmYeah I figure it'll lower the symptom threshold for me to get tested this week, at least (currently no symptoms). The kids had to test this morning before school and they both came back negative, FWIW. But it's not like I've been making out with strangers at the COVID ward recently, so I think I'm ok?Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:33 pm The app is forcing you to think about what you've been doing and if you've been anywhere unmasked around strangers. If so and/or if you start to develop symptoms, get tested.
And it goes on from there, quite similarly to other pieces in this vein.I got my COVID-19 booster shot last week, on the first day I was eligible. My shot was delayed because I caught COVID in early December, an experience that was low-key grim: two days of shotgun sneezing, no taste or smell for a week, and a constant fatigue that didn’t abate until the holidays. I was very glad to face the coronavirus with two Pfizer doses already in my arm, and even more grateful that my parents and 91 percent of Britons in their age group are triple-jabbed.
Immunity builds to a peak in the fortnight after vaccination, and so next week I will be about the most protected a human can realistically expect to be against COVID. That reflection has inevitably led to another one: I want my life back. Thank you, coronavirus. Next.
Avoiding the virus is no longer an option; Omicron has seen to that. Almost everyone is likely to catch the variant eventually. Over Christmas, one in 10 of my fellow Londoners—one in 10!—had COVID. Thanks to Britain’s solid vaccination rates, particularly among vulnerable groups, this tsunami of infections has so far led to a daily death toll less than a fifth the size of the one we had last winter. In the United States, the picture looks bleaker, with overwhelmed hospitals and 1,500 deaths a day. Because the vaccinated can still spread the disease, Americans should probably lie low for a few more weeks, until this wave subsides. Personally, I don’t need an immediate license to party like it’s February 2020, but I want some indication from lawmakers and medical experts that restrictions won’t last forever. For any country without the discipline, collectivism, and surveillance technology of China, the zero-COVID dream is over. Two years is long enough to put our lives on hold.
Proving once again Nate Silver does not have a monopoly on hot takes. We want the same thing Helen. The difference is I'm not willing to label "normal life" relentless suffering and death for marginalized people so I can sit in a restaurant.There will be trade-offs, and there will be casualties, but you can’t remove all risk from human existence.
As Colorado’s hospitals work to keep up with an influx of patients during the state’s latest surge of coronavirus infections, two hospital systems have made an intriguing discovery: Most of their current patients who are positive for COVID are not in the hospital due to the disease.
Instead, the patients are what might be called incidental COVID patients — they were admitted to the hospital for reasons that are unrelated to COVID but were found to be infected after routine testing.
At UCHealth, officials on Tuesday announced the results of a review finding that about a third of their current COVID-positive patients were admitted for treatment for COVID, while the other two-thirds were admitted for something else. At Denver Health, medical director Dr. Connie Price said a review of patient records in January discovered that about 60% of the hospital’s COVID-positive patients had been admitted for reasons unrelated to the disease.
This is a change from previous waves. In August, Dr. Michelle Barron, UCHealth’s senior medical director of infection prevention and control, did a smaller review of COVID-positive patient records and found that about 95% of them had been admitted for treatment for the disease.
“So it’s a big turn in what we’re seeing now,” she said.
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Part of the story, not the whole story
The new analyses add more context to the question, but they also come with significant limitations and caveats.
For one, Barron said it’s unclear what happens to the COVID-positive patients after they are admitted. It’s true they may have been admitted for reasons unrelated to their infection, but do they develop COVID symptoms in the hospital that need treatment? Does the infection make it more difficult for them to heal from what originally brought them to the hospital?
Barron referred to UCHealth’s analysis as a snapshot.
“This obviously tells part of the story but it doesn’t tell all of the story,” she said.
TODAY’S UNDERWRITER
She said the hospital system hopes to have more follow-up data later this week looking at patient outcomes as well as vaccination status.
Barron and Price also said the high percentage of COVID-positive patients who don’t need care for their infections belies another reality: There’s just a ton of patients coming in who do need care for a coronavirus infection.
As long as the casualties don’t impact them personally, what do they care? They are just numbers on a spreadsheet.Smoove_B wrote:Oh Helen...
Proving once again Nate Silver does not have a monopoly on hot takes. We want the same thing Helen. The difference is I'm not willing to label "normal life" relentless suffering and death for marginalized people so I can sit in a restaurant.There will be trade-offs, and there will be casualties, but you can’t remove all risk from human existence.
Or, as the current "pandemic of the unvaccinated" narrative goes, they're just getting what they deserve.RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:03 amAs long as the casualties don’t impact them personally, what do they care? They are just numbers on a spreadsheet.Smoove_B wrote:Oh Helen...
Proving once again Nate Silver does not have a monopoly on hot takes. We want the same thing Helen. The difference is I'm not willing to label "normal life" relentless suffering and death for marginalized people so I can sit in a restaurant.There will be trade-offs, and there will be casualties, but you can’t remove all risk from human existence.
You dare question the new narrative?LordMortis wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:10 am ... Except the kids... and the breakthroughs among the people you expect to serve you for sustenance wages or less... and the vulnerable... and the people who can't get care unrelated to COVID due to hospital overcrowding and safety... and the medical staff who have been worked to death sometimes literally for the last two years...
I mean aside from them what else is really being protected by keeping us from "partying" nor even a normal life?
Well, I dare but of course I'm trying to protect people I care deeply about from getting what they deserve. When it's all said and done, as much as I hate hate hate the actions, it's still my family I'm protecting. (That and I'm vulnerable but honestly, I don't much care about me. I'm doing the right thing and if I get fucked, I played the hand I was dealt, and at least my nieces and nephews should get a reasonable inheritance, cause I'll go fast with this particular set of heart, lungs, and FUBAR immune system.)LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:31 amYou dare question the new narrative?LordMortis wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:10 am ... Except the kids... and the breakthroughs among the people you expect to serve you for sustenance wages or less... and the vulnerable... and the people who can't get care unrelated to COVID due to hospital overcrowding and safety... and the medical staff who have been worked to death sometimes literally for the last two years...
I mean aside from them what else is really being protected by keeping us from "partying" nor even a normal life?
It's like there's a coordinated message being seeded. I would have thought after all this time people would have realized that we can't just ignore the virus into compliance or pretend like everything is fine and it'll just disappear. Instead, it's like there's a larger segment of society that is pushing back even harder now that we can just ignore it and it'll be fine.When you read Speed the Spread of Omicron, you know we've got a problem
Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH @ashishkjha
With infections spiking, can be hard to see the light But the peak of this wave is coming into view
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Cases now falling in NYC, DC
MA wastewater shows big declines
Yes, parts of US still rising. And hospitals have many tough weeks ahead
But nationally, wave will crest. And soon
I guess, as a former OB/GYN, he'd know better than most on how far one can fit one's head up one's own ass.hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 am edit: changed twitter link to a better view of the whole exchange...including giant fake check prop rolled out to emphasize Senator Marshall's stupidity...although he probably thought it was smart.
Please don't tempt fate... We don't need that right now.Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pmThe sewage data is likely a better predictor of that than tests being run - can't overload the wastewater system.
You know nothing, John Snow.Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pm The sewage data is likely a better predictor of that than tests being run - can't overload the wastewater system.
Unless some people are starting to save/use their waste in an attempt to "cure" covid.Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pm
The ultimate impact for hospitals is still coming, but yes, hopefully cases have peaked. The sewage data is likely a better predictor of that than tests being run - can't overload the wastewater system.
In the gap left by the CDC, Americans are turning to Twitter, blogs, and word of mouth for their COVID risk reduction advice. The result is a black market of information that makes it even harder to make the right choice.