Scooby's Werewolf Village - Game Over

[Mr Bubbles]

As far as Berserker Bubbles, all we need to do is determine how long we can wait before we MUST vote for him.

But if you have a couple misses which I'm pretty sure you will then you'll get to a point where you have to kill me anyway and you will narrow the margin of victory. Do you want to take that chance. At least when I'm dead you can get a more accurate count. At least you'll know what type of wolf I am.

[Scoop20906]

Now we are voting for Purge? Uhhhhh. Smooth move Sorcerer.

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

So, the guys that want us to lose decide lets vote for someone we don't know is a wolf for someone we are pretty darn sure is a wolf.

Wow, I wish I had come up with that plan cause I know I'm expected to make unexpected moves. You guys stole my thunder, how dare you! If you are confident that Purge is the other wolf, then send that hussy Kraegor after him tonight.

I'll check in sometime tomorrow when you two wake the f*ck up and realize the rest of us aren't that dumb.

[Austin]

Now we are voting for Purge? Uhhhhh. Smooth move Sorcerer.

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

So, the guys that want us to lose decide lets vote for someone we don't know is a wolf for someone we are pretty darn sure is a wolf.

Wow, I wish I had come up with that plan cause I know I'm expected to make unexpected moves. You guys stole my thunder, how dare you! If you are confident that Purge is the other wolf, then send that hussy Kraegor after him tonight.

I'll check in sometime tomorrow when you two wake the f*ck up and realize the rest of us aren't that dumb.

Maybe you should read and comprehend before spouting off; just a thought.

[Mr Bubbles]

Now we are voting for Purge? Uhhhhh. Smooth move Sorcerer.

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

So, the guys that want us to lose decide lets vote for someone we don't know is a wolf for someone we are pretty darn sure is a wolf.

Wow, I wish I had come up with that plan cause I know I'm expected to make unexpected moves. You guys stole my thunder, how dare you! If you are confident that Purge is the other wolf, then send that hussy Kraegor after him tonight.

I'll check in sometime tomorrow when you two wake the f*ck up and realize the rest of us aren't that dumb.

I'll make it really simple for you. If you think Im a wolf put up or shut up. do it  Mr Bubbles 
 
It's so easy.

[Unagi]

Ha. Indeed.

[Unagi]

That was ment to follow Austin's post. Re: Scoop's post

[Semaj]

oddly, I'm still hungover, but the Bills and Giants won so I cant complain.

So that I'm sure I am reading this right, we are keeping Bubbles alive for the purpose of having kraegor talk/sleep/screw/mad passionate wolf luving to him so he cannot die?

It makes sense enough to be a viable and possibly good option, but I've always been a proponent of killing the wolves when we find them unless there is a way to prove keeping them alive helps us win the game.

Anyone doing the math on how long we could afford to keep him alive before we have to kill him? Normally I'd do it, but right now I have to farking go to a farking bar and farking have a farking drink so my farking hangover can farking go the fark away...

I actually had slightly different wording, as you can imagine.

sometime tonight I'll put up the Patented Semaj Evil-o-Meter.... I'm in no real rush because it's the weekend

[Scoop20906]

Now we are voting for Purge? Uhhhhh. Smooth move Sorcerer.

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

So, the guys that want us to lose decide lets vote for someone we don't know is a wolf for someone we are pretty darn sure is a wolf.

Wow, I wish I had come up with that plan cause I know I'm expected to make unexpected moves. You guys stole my thunder, how dare you! If you are confident that Purge is the other wolf, then send that hussy Kraegor after him tonight.

I'll check in sometime tomorrow when you two wake the f*ck up and realize the rest of us aren't that dumb.

Maybe you should read and comprehend before spouting off; just a thought.

Ok. Read and comprehended. Allowing the whore visit the same person every night sounds a bit unbalanced to me. Fine, I'm on board. I'll even use my villager power:  purge 
 

[Scoop20906]

That was ment to follow Austin's post. Re: Scoop's post

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Unagi]

I'll check in sometime tomorrow when you two wake the f*ck up and realize the rest of us aren't that dumb.

[Unagi]

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

I guess you also missed the last 5 pages of Mr.Bubbles Kelric`n all over the place.

[Mr Bubbles]

Guys, Stessier gave us Theohill and he was a wolf. Stessier also gave us Mr. Bubbles. Explain a scenario where he isn't a wolf.

I guess you also missed the last 5 pages of Mr.Bubbles Kelric`n all over the place.

I just reviewed the last five pages and see no where, where I said I was wolf. I'm sorry can you point out where i said that?

[tru1cy]

I don't trust Unagi. I rather kill a known versus and unknown so I"ll accuse  Mr. Bubbles 
 

[Semaj]

Somewhat stolen from Steiss:

Players:
1. Scoop20906 - Scoop boggles my mind. The more evil he acts, the more innocent people believe him to be. Someday he's gonna be a wolf, act the part and win them the game...

2. Mr Bubbles - Werewolf

3. Purge - Argues the wrong side of everything. To the point if he isnt a wolf, he's having a god awful game and needs to go anyways.

4. theohall - Sploded all over Mipe

5. Newcastle - I dont know good or bad newcastle. I know as a wolf he can seem mighty fricking helpful, as a good guy he can be very good to the good cause. I think he's lying somewhat low for him. I could be wrong however, but I always remember him posting some serious impressive musings that seemed out of left field and ended up being right. I'm just nervous as all hell he's A wolf trying tol ook useful.

6. Mipe - Herbalist - In theory

7. Chaosraven - Chaos loves to lie about his role and use random code to keep everyone guessing until he explains 20 years later. Whatever role he actually is, his code which he usually reveals once his role is announced to show he had it planned all along.... This thought process makes me wonder why he didnt reveal what his code meant, unless it's different than the role he is claiming. As such, I am prone to believe he is lying about being the wolvesbane. Whether this is good for the village or not has yet to be determined.

8. Unagi - I think steisser jumped the gun at him being the sorcerer. The real problem is we have no fricking way of knowing if he is it or not short of the graverobber, which is a skoch too late. The lack of an ability to get provens short of a mass outting makes life difficult for Unagi who I had actually in my good pile till steisser got all up in his junk.

9. redrun - I'd like to hear a lot more from him. I remember him coming up with some shitall good contributions last game and want to know where the hell they are this game.

10. Lassr - Better you than me, nancyboy .

11. stessier - Probably going to go down in history as the best/luckiest seer ever.

12. ChrisGrenard - Died in a lynch, didnt contribute much, didnt fight to live.

13. Grundbegriff - Either Said/Did/implied/etc. something to scare the wolves. That or he was a completely random kill to throw everyone off. I'm prone to A over B.

14. Kraegor - Grund claimed he was a good special. I sorta agreed at the time and wonder if I was right...

15. Bakhtosh - Claims to be a good wolf. Was he actually a wolf who feared he got scanned and claimed it just in case, is he really the wolf pup? Every Day he lives makes him more evil in my eyes.

16. Austin - Always seems evil, this game is no different. He's been in a lot of bandwagons, he's been around a lot of things that pinged my radar.

17. Semaj - Very attractive, chick magnet... Loved by one and all, worship him and his goodness.

18. tru1cy - If he posted more I might be able to get a read, but sadly all I can say is: Normal Tru1cy, whatever that means

Semaj Evil-O-Meter:

Clearly Wolves:
Theohall, Mr Bubbles

Probably Wolves:
Austin, Purge

If Not those 2, these ones:
Chaosraven, Scoop, Redrun

Neutral:
Newcastle, Tru1cy

Leaning Good:
Unagi, Kraegor, Bahktosh

Clearly Good:
Mipe, Steisser, Grundbegriff, Lassr, ChrisGernard, Semaj

I really dont want to go through my list and make sure I got everyone... but I think I did...

[purge]

Killing me isn't the worst thing you could do, I'm an unpowered villager.

It's not the best; given that you actually have a wolf in your midst it would sure be better to kill the one than the other.

I support bubbles surviving only if the whore needs him and it is in the villages best interest in keeping him alive. I also outlined on page 33 the pro's and cons. Also, I don't think the Medium is restricted in talking to the most recently dead(Remus, clarification please), so I think Unagi is trying to use the potential that we have a medium as a way to sow the seeds of confusion. Fact of the matter is that were I the medium, coming forward and saying "I talked with stess, and Purge is human / Austin is Wolf / Blah Blah Blah" isn't going to hold enough weight to counterbalance being the wolf's target tonight.

But you have got to be kidding about me being a wolf. We know that Unagi is untrustworthy (and there's a few people including the seer who didn't put weight into his vote based on the fact that they feel he's a sorcerer). I don't know if he's a wolf or not, but it sure seems to me like Austin bit the back of my ankle and are letting the rest of the wolves hide in the pack. He's been pretty silent this game, and having played Converted Baltar to Unagi's Six, he's one crafty chick who knows how to play the crowd.

I'll vote for Austin or Unagi; Mr.Bubbles is the sure bet though. Right now, I think we need to take the one in the hand, and get the whore to go sleep with someone else.

 I reaccuse Mr. Bubbles 
 


[edited to add links, and Remus clarification]

[purge]

Oh, and who the hell gets a lynch-train going on a weekend? Good going.

[purge]

Anyone get the feeling we'll be losing a villager at lynch time with Bubbles?

Medium - Can talk to Dead via PM one dead person a night. Thus no spoilers for the dead.

And if you read the rest of the one line, it would appear that it happens at Night.

As far as Bubbles:
If he is a Master, they only lose the ability if he's the only one.
If he's Apprentice, he may have already found the Sorcerer.
If he was Rabid he's lost his mind not converting.

As far as Berserker Bubbles, all we need to do is determine how long we can wait before we MUST vote for him.

It seems I'm not the only one considering it. The fifth option is that he's an unpowered wolf... there's a 1 in 5 that he's rabid, and we've (already) killed one wolf and one power.

That leaves us with 2 powers and 3 wolves, with at least one power being taken up by Unagi.

Also, if anyone has the evidence handy I'd like to see Kraegor being proven as a whore.

[Unagi]

I support bubbles surviving only if the whore needs him and it is in the villages best interest in keeping him alive...
...
Right now, I think we need to take the one in the hand, and get the whore to go sleep with someone else.
 I reaccuse Mr. Bubbles 
 

This is just how you approached the ChrisGrenard vote. You discussed how you agreed with one set of logic, and used your vote to support the opposite.

Unagi is trying[/url] to use the potential that we have a medium as a way to sow the seeds of confusion. Fact of the matter is that were I the medium, coming forward and saying "I talked with stess, and Purge is human / Austin is Wolf / Blah Blah Blah" isn't going to hold enough weight to counterbalance being the wolf's target tonight.

Did you miss the place where I, after we furhter reviewed the power, stated that I no longer feel any medium could be taken with any fait at all?

I acted to put the breaks on what was going to be a rapid move to get Mr Bubbles lynced today. I'm OK with that.

[Remus West]

The Medium would be/is free to speak with any dead player during the night.

[Mr Bubbles]

Well I think it's time we have the medium come forward. I'll start. I am not the medium.

[redrun]

Well I think it's time we have the medium come forward. I'll start. I am not the medium.

-- Great idea. I've got another one - let's fit you with a muzzle.

[redrun]

Killing me isn't the worst thing you could do,
I'll vote for Austin or Unagi; Mr.Bubbles is the sure bet though. Right now, I think we need to take the one in the hand, and get the whore to go sleep with someone else.

-- Two questions for anyone to answer.

First, why am I more worried about losing then other folks seem to be?:
12 players left. 3 wolves. 2 evil powers: Worst case is 5 bad guys left.
(Am I missing something? Are we sure that we know the six powered
villagers? Are we sure that no powered villagers were early kills? In other
words - are we sure that all the powered villagers are good?) It does
say that evil humans count towards good - do they not count for
final day 'more evil then good so evil wins'' numbers?

12 players - we lynch one - 11 left
11 players - wolf kill overnight - 10 left
10 players - five evil and five good - slam dunk win for evil.
This is worse case, yes - but is this a possible case? Can
someone tell me if I'm missing something that makes this impossible?

Second - what is it with the quick lynch posse? Day one, before quite a
number of players had signed on - lynch train on Mipe. Weekend, lynch
train Mr. Bubbles. Day one really stood out for me - we didn't know if
specialists had used their abilities, but were well into a lynch.

Did some looking on the Mipe vote. All times are from the board:
Remus posted at 6:17pm to announce Lassr's kill:
At 9:24am the next day we're at 6 votes:
Grundbegriff: 9:19pm
Theohall: 1:18am
Unagi: 1:53am
Chaosraven: 9:12am
Mr. Bubbles: 9:16am
Austin: 9:24am
Unagi started the run on Mipe, but didn't actually vote until third.

Did some looking at last night's voting:
Remus posted at 6:59pm to announce Stessier's dead (he will be morned!):
Austin: 7:05pm - Mr. Bubbles
Scoop20906: 7:34pm - Mr. Bubbles
Newcastle: 9:19pm - Mr. Bubbles
Unagi: 9:29pm - Mr. Bubbles
Purge: 9:37pm - Mr. Bubbles
Unagi: 10:10pm - withdraw Bubbles to allow time for a medium to
come forward. First day - he's ready for a quick kill. Three days in and
he's holding a kill on a known wolf to allow time for a medium to come forward.

Mr Bubbles: 10:14pm (on himself, sure, he's not a wolf...)
Unagi: 2:02am - Purge (now we're saving the whore)
Austin: 10:58am - Purge
Scoop20906: 8:42pm - Purge
Tru1cy: 5:04am - Mr. Bubbles

Unless someone can show my math wrong, I think we have to lynch Mr. Bubbles today.
I'm curious at how often I find Austin and Unagi together - not something I'd noticed
in board discussions (could have missed it, will read through again today).

[purge]

A look at the voting on the three bandwagons:

Code: Select all

   Grundbegriff acc mipe(1)
      theohall acc mipe(2)
         Unagi acc mipe(3)
            Chaosraven acc mipe(4)
               Mr Bubbles acc mipe(5)
                  Austin acc mipe(6)
               Unagi wd mipe(5)
            theohall wd mipe(4)
         Austin wd mipe(3)
      Mr Bubbles wd mipe(2)
   Chaosraven wd mipe(1)

Code: Select all

   Scoop20906 acc Kraegor(1)
      Bakhtosh acc Kraegor(2)
         Unagi acc Kraegor(3)
            Semaj acc Kraegor(4)
         Semaj wd Kraegor(3)
      Unagi wd Kraegor(2)
         Unagi acc Kraegor(3)
      Unagi wd Kraegor(2)
         purge acc Kraegor(3)
      Scoop20906 wd Kraegor(2)
   purge wd Kraegor(1)

Code: Select all

   Unagi acc ChrisGrenard(1)
      theohall acc ChrisGrenard(2)
   theohall wd ChrisGrenard(1)
Unagi wd ChrisGrenard(1)
   mipe acc ChrisGrenard(1)
      stessier acc ChrisGrenard(2)
         theohall acc ChrisGrenard(3)
           Semaj acc ChrisGrenard(4)
              Kraegor acc ChrisGrenard(5)
                 Unagi acc ChrisGrenard(6)
                    Scoop20906 acc ChrisGrenard(7)
                       Austin acc ChrisGrenard(8)
                    Unagi wd ChrisGrenard(7)
                       Mr Bubbles acc ChrisGrenard(8)
                    Semaj wd Chris Grenard(7)
                       tru1cy acc ChrisGrenard(8) 
                          purge acc ChrisGrenard(9)

It's funny Redrun, I was looking up the bandwagon history when you posted that.
Here's Day 1 bandwagons compiled by our late Seer.

You'll note the pattern where Unagi is mid-to-vote and first to pull himself out, but giving enough room for wolves to move in. As I said before, I suspect Austin to be a wolf in nature, and if you consider him a wolf and look at this, it seems like they are using turmoil to keep the wagon rolling and let their "human" off the bandwagon.

Remus, if the Apprentice/Sorcerer connection is made and the Apprentice is killed, does the sorcerer have established method to still PM or is it just like the Six/Baltar where communication ends even though intent is still to help the evil side?

Regarding endgame tally (to answer the question above) I believe the sorcerer does not count towards ending game.

eg: Daytime with six remaining villagers - majority is 4, there are 2 wolves and 1 hidden sorcerer, the game does not end; a Lynch needs to occur. If a wolf is missed that would end the game after the night kill as the numbers would be 2:2 regardless of sorcerers intentions.

[purge]

... and Redrun, you can include that I've put my vote back on Bubbles (above); if a kill occurs I want my vote to count for something.

[purge]

Not a Weredog.

That doesn't explain the shedding.

[Scoop20906]

Interesting Analysis, redrun.

However, but Unagi and Austin are correct. We know Mr Bubbles is a wolf. Therefore according to the rulez if the whore/kraegor visits Mr Bubbles then he can not be the target of that night's attack. In effect, he can't be killed for the remainder of the game unless the other werewolf also happens to be a zerker and kills him. Its an oversight in the rulez in my opinion but having created a few rulesets I know how difficult to balance things especially with the random roles too.

Whore - chooses 1 player to be with during night. If chosen is targeted as kill by wolves, Whore dies. If chosen is a Wolf, whore cannot be target that night. If there is only a single wolf he will be to busy to make a kill that night (there will be no kill).

Now, we don't know who the other wolf is but Purge has tweaked things enough to be a great candidate for today's lynch and I'm really not interested in chasing down someone else.

My vote will stick on Purge and I am going to try and drop into lurk mode while you guys wrestle amongst yourself. I have reasons but I'm not going all meta about it.

[purge]

I support bubbles surviving only if the whore needs him and it is in the villages best interest in keeping him alive...
...
Right now, I think we need to take the one in the hand, and get the whore to go sleep with someone else.
 I reaccuse Mr. Bubbles 
 

This is just how you approached the ChrisGrenard vote. You discussed how you agreed with one set of logic, and used your vote to support the opposite.

No, I followed your lead, and went with the conviction stessier showed. I got burned by it, and the next day was questioning Stess's every move. I didn't take CG's death lightly, or the fact that it set the village back. Theohall's wolfish nature coupled with Stess's untimely death sealed the deal that he had to be the seer. He's accused Mr.Bubbles, and as I said, one in the hand is worth two in the bush. If he turns out to be a zerker, I hope he takes me as I cost the village less. It's more likely that if he is zerk that he'd take out his bedmate as she poses a further threat to the other wolves.

All of his eagerness to be lynched is likely a tactic to convince us to let him live; a zerker who was caught wouldn't want to bring forth the hunter, and that gives me an idea.

Hunter (if we have one), take your shot on Mr.Bubbles. If I had to chose a second target, I'd put Austin up there as #2. Unagi would be my third (unless someone has positively scanned him as human ... I don't recall whether that actually happened.) Austin threw himself behind the vote for bubbles without any care or concern; he had time to think about the kill and how he'd act long before the posting. Getting Unagi to hold the train and muddy the waters, and then trying to bandwagon someone ELSE other than the sure bet is about as suspicious as one can get.

A second wolf dead is a big win and puts us ahead with a successful wolf kill. A lynch after a hunter shot on Bubbles means that even if we're wrong with the lynch selection tonight, we're -1 on the chance that bubbles is actually a zerk and will claim another of us, and there's no extra night kill between our selections. The whore has a chance to pick someone at random and "re-hide" herself at night.

The "medium" thing is bullshit, BTW ... the medium can reveal him/herself later with Stess's comments, and if they choose to do so, they could only do it tonight as all turns happen at the same time. They don't get to talk to a living person at night, and last night Stess was living so they are only useful tomorrow.

But Unagi, you probably already knew that, didn't you?

[purge]

Now, we don't know who the other wolf is but Purge has tweaked things enough to be a great candidate for today's lynch and I'm really not interested in chasing down someone else.

Nice. Problem is that there are THREE wolves.

How have I tweaked things? I bought into the Unagi fiasco with the medium, and then showed how it is a ruse. I've posted histories, and brought forth evidence to suspect Austin. Evidence mind you not just "Accuse Purge".

Nice. You talked about others using their head (to the point where you sounded pissed) and then totally backed off and kowtowed to their bandwagon ... followed by a "lurking"
message?



See that thing I'm smacking in that emote? You should try using _yours_.

[Remus West]

Question 1 answer:
No, the Human evil powers do not count towards the final day "more evil than good" tally. Sorcerer and Witch both count as good thus if there are 2 wolves, 1 sorcerer, 1 witch, 1 normal villager the wolves do not win outright at that time as there are 3 "good" players and only 2 wolves.


Question 2 answer:
The sorcerer may only PM with the Apprentice wolf if there is a successful scan and he is only ever in contact with that wolf.

[purge]

The Medium would be/is free to speak with any dead player during the night.

Remus, for clarification purposes: would Stessier have been considered a viable target for communication for the medium and/or eavesdropper last night?

I know the answer to be no, but I want to be *damned sure* ... and make sure that everyone else knows I'm not messing around with misunderstanding roles.

[Remus West]

Anyone starting the night living is a viable target for the Eavesdropper. Anyone starting the night dead is a viable target for the Medium.

[purge]

Thank you.

Any other roles you want to stall out killing wolves for, Unagi?

[Bakhtosh]

I agree, we can't wait for the Medium since he has nothing for us.
I'm leaning Purge, but am finding it difficult to NOT vote Bubbles.

For now, I'm going to vote  Purge 
 
, just because the ones I think are evil seem eager for us to lynch Bubbles now.

[Bakhtosh]

...not that everyone eager for us to lynch Bubbles is evil...

[Remus West]

Players:
1. Scoop20906 - Purge
2. Mr Bubbles - Mr Bubbles
3. Purge - Mr Bubbles
4. Newcastle - Mr Bubbles
5. Chaosraven
6. Unagi - Purge
7. redrun
8. Kraegor
9. Bakhtosh - Purge
10. Austin - Purge
11. Semaj
12. tru1cy - Mr Bubbles

You know the drill. Majority is 7.

Vote Totals:
Mr Bubbles - 4
Purge - 4

[purge]

Warm up your emotes for tonight, fellas.

[Newcastle]

I'd rather vote for a known than an unkown. Stessier gave us Bubbles. My votes staying there. I think we will have plenty of analysis going around, however the one thing, is that it gives us a safe spot for Kraeggor to visit...hmm, maybe i should withdraw it.....hmm, decissions, decissions.

[Unagi]

Regarding the lynching of Mr.Bubbles:
There is just no way around this guys, there is no reason to lynch him Today - as it's clear we can lynch him tomorrow and it buys our whore another day alive. There is just NO reason to have your vote there. None. And yet - some people still do. Are you people not understanding why it's stupid to kill off the one known wolf today?

Regarding the 'imbalance', I certainly see the point you've made Scoop - but the key to this game was the random assignemnt of roles... Could you imagine the imbalance if the wolves were all Rabid, or if all the Good Specials (minus the 1 obligatory Seer) were all 'wolvesbane'. There was a lot of potential for imbalance in this game, but we all signed up... I am cool with riding the whore thing out, the whore needed to find a 'known' wolve before she could sleep easy. (that's a whore joke).

Thank you.
Any other roles you want to stall out killing wolves for, Unagi?

What are you even saying Purge??

My 'Wait' on this vote was based on waking up to seeing the votes for Mr.Bubbles grow fast, and I am glad I put the brakes on it. If you do the math - had I not, it would have stood a good chance to have been hammered home by the remaining 2 wolves.

I remembered what stessier said before he died and asked that we wait until that point was at least resolved and discussed.

That was not an evil move, your just royally pissed I made it.

THEN - Kraegor stepped forward with the much more meaningful reason to hold up on the vote - and his reason is 100% valid - - but you argue against it. You were against the Hunter shooting Theohall. Now you want to see if we have a hunter - so he can take out Mr.Bubbles?? Huh ? Your arguments and counter-arguments are all over the place here. What is it you want? You want Mr.Bubbles dead before he can be used by the whore - it's plain as day.

For what it's worth - I do agree that Austin may be the last wolf - but that's based on how the two of you have manuevered this day. Autin's pretty damn good - and I could see him positioning himself for a 'purge = wolf' lynch like this. Actually - I could see him doing it if he knew you weren't a wolf... I guess all I am really saying there is that I always feer Austin is about to reach around and stab us all.

[Scoop20906]

I'd rather vote for a known than an unkown. Stessier gave us Bubbles. My votes staying there. I think we will have plenty of analysis going around, however the one thing, is that it gives us a safe spot for Kraeggor to visit...hmm, maybe i should withdraw it.....hmm, decissions, decissions.

Its pretty clear that IF Kraegor is the whore than its the smartest play we can make today. I hate giving Unagi credit for anything but this is a smart move.

Like I said before, I don't really care much who we lynch today as long as it isn't Mr Bubbles. I'm voting for Purge because he has simply argued against the right moves too many times this game.

Purge, any reason why you think voting for Mr Bubbles is a good move considering if Kraegor is the whore he can not be killed (except if we hit another zerker wolf)? I'd love to hear your response. THANKS!

[Unagi]

I'd rather vote for a known than an unkown. Stessier gave us Bubbles. My votes staying there. I think we will have plenty of analysis going around, however the one thing, is that it gives us a safe spot for Kraeggor to visit...hmm, maybe i should withdraw it.....hmm, decissions, decissions.

Ouch, Newcastle - give it some thought. the right move here is to use this Known Wolf to our advantage. There is no harm in killing him last - and today is NOT our last chance.