Octopus Overlords

Grundbegriff wrote:Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!

Unagi is good.
Remus is good.
triggercut is good.
El Guapo is good.

Anyone we know for certain is bad is dead including Leia and Han.

I talk too much, you talk too little. It has us both on the suspect list.

That about sums it up.

Oh, and Qantaga is evil and dead (role unknown), due to a bad case of Vader force-choking.

Also to be clear Coop's not so much on the suspect list for talking too much, but for being on the wrong side of two trains, and saying suspicious-sounding things.

And welcome back!

Unagi, your Tarkin arguments are good. I do think the Chewie information could affect voting patterns, and Chewie/Lando could impact shot analysis (how readily we use it - like, do we shoot or lynch our next suspect?). But it's not critical either way. And like I said, it's not clear to me that Tarkin should publicly reveal the information anyhow. I'd just like to think that someone out there is informed.

Oh, and one other thing I forgot, Grund. It turns out that those weren't the droids that we are looking for.

and don't be confused Grund, this next day is called "Day Four"

That's pronounced just like "for" or "fore"... It's right after "Day 3".

Grundbegriff wrote:Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!

Hey! Glad you're here and hope everything's ok.

El Guapo wrote:Also to be clear Coop's not so much on the suspect list for talking too much, but for being on the wrong side of two trains, and saying suspicious-sounding things.

Scoop20906 9 ----------> Triggercut, Unagi, Stessier, Lassr, Kenetickid, Chaosraven, Pr0ner, Remus West, Grundbegriff, Coopasonic

Lots of good guys on that train with me.

Chaosraven 8 <---------- Kenetickid, Triggercut, RMC, Coopasonic, Newcastle, Theohall, Scoop20906, El Guapo

Bit more mixed on this one, but still a couple of good guys sure screwed the pooch on this one with me.

The second run-up on scoop was uninformative as he was a foregone conclusion. I think I was there though.

Newcastle 8 (early) el guapo, pr0ner, Semaj, tru1cy, RMC, coop, theohall, Mr Bubbles

Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle counter-claimed.

Newcastle 9 <------------- Pr0ner, RMC, Theohall, Mr. Bubbles, Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Tru1cy, Triggercut

I wasn't on the Newcastle kill because I wanted to go the Rukh route to check Newcastle as Leia was neutered.

All of my votes came in the back half except for CR where I was following Trig's lead.

coopasonic wrote:Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle began babbling nonsense.

Mortoned.

In any event, I'm just saying it's more than "talking too much." But Grund's going to come to his own conclusions anyhow.

El Guapo wrote:

coopasonic wrote:Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle began babbling nonsense.

Mortoned.

Had some IRL stuff pop up. Reading to catch-up. Will vocalize ideas come morning.

Votes Day 4

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall -------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
15 Unagi ------------------>
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->



Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill

Majority is 8
Deadline: Wednesday July 27, 9PM EST

Trig's dying wish?

 RMC 
 

Actually, I like Grundbegriff, but I will wait for further discussion before dropping a vote. Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

I'm leaning RMC as well, but will wait a bit and I am curious as to what Grund will say. Not too surprised about Trig, so seems pretty standard

tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff, but I will wait for further discussion before dropping a vote. Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

The kill isn't that puzzling, I think. Trig's a proven, so a sensible target, plus that takes away two votes from the imperials rather than just one. Could be any number of reasons why Remus wasn't killed, plus the rebels may be worrying about Thrawn and playing a guessing game with him (if he's in the game, or at least if the rebels aren't sure if he's in the game or not).

Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

Anywho, it'll be interesting to hear from the awakened Remus and Grund as well. I'm also planning on doing a read-through today when I have a chance.

tru1cy wrote:Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

Ditto. This lends credence to El Guapo not being rebellious (which was already doubtful). And it shows a panic move. Why prove someone as Empire and then not kill them? Even if you feared them being protected. I can't think of a single reason.

I assume that the overvote pissed the rebellion off. Given that, I prefer to go after those not playing ball.

So for now at least  RMC 
 
. But I'm happy to go with Unagi or Remus and to a lesser extent El Guapo.

And for those of us who get lost in the sheer numbers of this game and likely to let people slip by unnoticed, realistically,

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall -------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Most probably not
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

The playing field is still deep but things have been looking up. Probably 4 bad guys out of 14 with Mara being a question and luke being an add on question.

Again my feeling is that we go after the people not playing ball to this point and that will be direction I push. Sadly that field is big but RMC is right up there at the top in more ways than one. And if RMC proves to be rebellious, I'll feel better about coop. Of course if he doesn't I'll feel worse about coop.

Also I'm hoping we'll see more opinions laid before Unagi and Remus lay out theirs but that's me.

El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?

LordMortis wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?

Because they also knew nothing about Unagi?

coopasonic wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?

Because they also knew nothing about Unagi?

Yeah, don't forget that the Leia ability was used before Unagi had choked a b*tch (just to use a phrase, not to call Qantaga anything), so most likely they knew nothing about Unagi's role and had no particular reason to silence him.

After Remus was stunned, both he and Trig were proven, so Remus being proven by Leia provides no reason to choose Remus over Trig (they're both proven in any event).

Also, they may know something about Remus, if they've scanned him, but who knows.

El Guapo wrote: Unagi had choked a b*tch

Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

It's absolutely possible assuming Luke and Mara are in the game and alive. It would have taken some luck to find her since there were so many imperials to start with but it's not impossible.

It's possible, but if Remus were Mara and stunned, it would likely be after a rebel scan that failed. She can't shoot until she's found, so the only reason to silence Mara during the day is fear or knowledge that she's got a shot for the empire.

But then, why eliminate triggercut overnight if the scan failed? I dunno. There's a lot of possibilities floating around, some of which may not even be in play.

Yeah, I think LM noted that possibility before. It's an unlikely string of events, but possible. And really, not only do Luke and Mara have to be in the game, but Talon Karrde does too (because if Luke scanned her, she'd be a rebel right away and so not a target for Leia).

So it's something to have in the back of your head, but I'm not planning on worrying about it unless some actual evidence comes up.

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Isgrimnur wrote:It's possible, but if Remus were Mara and stunned, it would likely be after a rebel scan that failed. She can't shoot until she's found, so the only reason to silence Mara during the day is fear or knowledge that she's got a shot for the empire.

But then, why eliminate triggercut overnight if the scan failed? I dunno. There's a lot of possibilities floating around, some of which may not even be in play.

What Guapo said, Karrde would have found her on night 2, Luke would then "find" her on night 3 and convert her. But I promised to stop talking conspiracy theory.

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

So I am the next Rebel? This is my last game all over again, I do a single thing, that I guess are a little guilty looking, and the rebels use that to make me look even more guilty.

I am not a rebel, but I can see how the rebels have done a great job of framing me to look like I am one. By them killing Trig last night, and me being near the top of his list it only makes sense to jump on me.

However, I am not a rebel. Them most damning evidence is that I voted for CR and not for Scoop. I also started voting for Unagi, but I already stated that was more a joke vote from last game.

<shrug> I am not a rebel, and have explained my actions before. I followed Trigs lead in the CR lynch, as I thought he was on to something. I was not online to take my vote off of CR with the double reveal of Scoop and CR, so I could not remove my vote.

I think we need to go back and really evaluate some of Coops 'slips'. I am not saying that he is a rebel, but he has made some slips that if we had not had the bevvy of rebels outed would have warranted him to be checked. I will read over some more and try to bring some of these items to light.

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Semaj wrote:

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

pr0ner wrote:

Semaj wrote:

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

Thats what I thought...

pr0ner wrote:

Semaj wrote:

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

I disagreed with that decision also.

theohall wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Semaj wrote:

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

I disagreed with that decision also.

Feel free, but I'm curious if you are trying to punish me or win, because the two are mutually exclusive.

tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff

Thank you. I like you, too.

Grundbegriff wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff

Thank you. I like you, too.

Thank you for your positive contribution to the game.

Mr Bubbles wrote:

theohall wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Semaj wrote:

theohall wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer


I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

 Mr Bubbles 
 

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

I disagreed with that decision also.

Feel free, but I'm curious if you are trying to punish me or win, because the two are mutually exclusive.

says you. You could very well be a rebel. And if punishing you and catching rebels works, I'm all for it.

Votes Day 4

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall ---------------> Mr. Bubbles
11 Coopasonic -----------> RMC
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis -----------> RMC
15 Unagi ------------------>
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

RMC 2 <--------------- Coopasonic, Lord Mortis
Mr. Bubbles 1 <------ Theohall


Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill

Players Remaining 14
Majority is 8
Deadline: Wednesday July 27, 9PM EST

Wow. All three of those votes are weird to me.

I'd really like to hear more from Grundbegriff.