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Anyone arguing that policies or actual records of accomplishment (or lack there of) are important at this point has lost the thread entirely.

Well, at least we don't have to worry about years of red states keeping democrats off of the ballot in retaliation.

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:13 pm Well, at least we don't have to worry about years of red states keeping democrats off of the ballot in retaliation.

Hah. Doesn't mean they won't try anyway.

On the one hand, I think this is a pragmatic decision and will reduce legal wrangling in the future.

On the other hand, if this clown didn't violate the 14th with his actions, what would? Might as well remove that clause, because acting against the country's best interests to support foreign power interests is no longer a deal breaker.

We need a zombie McCarthy to let us know what he thinks of his country now.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:18 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:13 pm Well, at least we don't have to worry about years of red states keeping democrats off of the ballot in retaliation.

Hah. Doesn't mean they won't try anyway.

On the one hand, I think this is a pragmatic decision and will reduce legal wrangling in the future.

On the other hand, if this clown didn't violate the 14th with his actions, what would? Might as well remove that clause, because acting against the country's best interests to support foreign power interests is no longer a deal breaker.

We need a zombie McCarthy to let us know what he thinks of his country now.

They didn't say he didn't violate the 14th, they said states couldn't use section 3 for Federal offices.

One thing of note is that it has been eight weeks since Trump filed his appeal in this case. By contrast in the Trump criminal immunity case it will be 10 weeks between the filing of the appeal and the oral arguments, with an unknown date for the decision to be released.

Funny how some things can be more expedited than others.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:07 pm Funny how some things can be more expedited than others.

To be fair to the SCOTUS, the timing in the Colorado case was driven in part by the state - apparently Colorado needed to know by tomorrow for ballot printing reasons. Still...illustrates that the Court can move fast on complicated and important decisions when it wants to.

Also people are completely overlooking Nikki Haley's decisive win in the D.C. GOP primary. Haley-mentum, here we come!!!

She's currently sitting at 43 to Trump's 244. I unfortunately don't see any stopping the orange buffoon from being hoisted on the arms of his sycophants and placed on his golden toilet throne for 2024.

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:07 pm She's currently sitting at 43 to Trump's 244. I unfortunately don't see any stopping the orange buffoon from being hoisted on the arms of his sycophants and placed on his golden toilet throne for 2024.

All she needs to do is to make D.C. count for like 20 times what the states count for, and then she'll be made in the shade.

I guess people are now looking back fondly on the good old days when there was a scandal every fucking day of the week.

YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:15 pm I guess people are now looking back fondly on the good old days when there was a scandal every fucking day of the week.

I know if he's elected that he's going to do his best to kill democracy, but weeks like this make me question whether or not democracy is viable in this day and age. We can argue whether or not Trump voters are good people, but the last 25 years have proven that you can make many people believe anything you want if you repeat it enough.

gbasden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:25 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:15 pm I guess people are now looking back fondly on the good old days when there was a scandal every fucking day of the week.

I know if he's elected that he's going to do his best to kill democracy, but weeks like this make me question whether or not democracy is viable in this day and age. We can argue whether or not Trump voters are good people, but the last 25 years have proven that you can make many people believe anything you want if you repeat it enough.

And say that a recent study has shown...

gbasden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:25 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:15 pm I guess people are now looking back fondly on the good old days when there was a scandal every fucking day of the week.

I know if he's elected that he's going to do his best to kill democracy, but weeks like this make me question whether or not democracy is viable in this day and age. We can argue whether or not Trump voters are good people, but the last 25 years have proven that you can make many people believe anything you want if you repeat it enough.

I'm with you on this, although I'd go back further than 25 years. Democracy is fragile and can lead to some terrible results. I mean, Hitler did that whole Third Reich thing, and he didn't even have the Internet, social networks, or AI. Imagine what he could do today . . .

I just don't know what to do with a democracy where nearly half the people - hopefully not a little more than half the people - are going to vote for someone who has proven he would gleefully chuck their democracy in the garbage bin if he thought it was in his own best interests.

Maybe I'm just extra down on democracy today having watched democracy in action at that recent Maricopa County Board of Commissioners meeting.

JFC.

In fairness, it's pretty easy to make a similar vid for Biden. The dudes are old.

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:15 am In fairness, it's pretty easy to make a similar vid for Biden. The dudes are old.

Yeah, but Biden gets lots of crap for being too old, while Trump mostly doesn't. It's not that Biden shouldn't get criticized for being too old, it's that Trump should also.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:39 am

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:15 am In fairness, it's pretty easy to make a similar vid for Biden. The dudes are old.

Yeah, but Biden gets lots of crap for being too old, while Trump mostly doesn't. It's not that Biden shouldn't get criticized for being too old, it's that Trump should also.

I've seen a fair amount of "Trump is too old" talk, but I'm also in SC and Hayley was the one running a lot of those ads, so ymmv.

Schedenfreude. Listening to Joe Kernan spin the WSJ line and GOP talking points, trying to lambaste Biden while talking to Pete Buttigieg and getting beat down and frustrated when Pete lambastes his every advancement of itinerary without actually lambasting him. It was a thing of beauty to hear. Joe was still flustered and confused after the commercial break.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:39 am

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:15 am In fairness, it's pretty easy to make a similar vid for Biden. The dudes are old.

Yeah, but Biden gets lots of crap for being too old, while Trump mostly doesn't. It's not that Biden shouldn't get criticized for being too old, it's that Trump should also.

Yeah, he gets some sort of bizarre BS for being coherent, strong, virulent, and alpha; getting stuff done, meaning what he says except for when you know he didn't mean it...

Tried listening, but he still triggers me 3 years later. 10 seconds in and I just can't... It's like I'm a millennial in the early aughts or a Gen Z now. I'm must be moving to my boomerhood.

Trump’s plan is to surround himself with loyalists and be unrestrained in his use/abuse of power. An even more unhinged Trump would be worse than Biden, who has a team and successor in place.

By loyalists, you mean incompetent grifter yes men.

They can be anything, as long as they are loyal.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:00 pm They can be anything, as long as they are loyal.

Well they need to be old and not have independent thinking skills...

Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:57 pm Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

I’m going to enjoy hearing Lake whine about losing again. Still can’t believe anyone would vote for her or candidates like Hershel Walker. She’s such a bad candidate.

Gallego or Lake. It’s an easy choice if you look honestly at both candidates but nobody ever does anymore.

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:57 pm Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

I will not miss her.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:12 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:57 pm Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

I will not miss her.

Yes the focus of some democrats in Weimar America to look out for themselves is disgusting.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:12 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:57 pm Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

I will not miss her.

Meh...she already completed her obligations to the Russians.

MCQueen2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:49 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:00 pm They can be anything, as long as they are loyal.

Well they need to be old and not have independent thinking skills...

Nope, just loyalty.

Funny that we don't have a Super Tuesday election thread...but when the outcome of the primaries is preordained, it really doesn't merit one.

The Boston Globe reported today that 15,000 Democrats left the party in MA since the first of the year. Presumably a good deal of them intend to vote in the Republican primary (as I did). "The vast majority — 13,042 in total — chose to become unenrolled voters, while 2,276 jumped to the GOP ... An additional 5,000 voters who were previously unenrolled joined the Democratic Party since Jan. 1, according to state data. Fewer than 300 made the jump from being Republicans to Democrats."

Unenrolled voters now account for 64 percent of the state’s 4.95 million registered voters, a rise from last year when Massachusetts already had the highest share of unaffiliated voters of any state.

That means membership in both parties is waning, even if Democrats still dominate at the ballot box. Just 27 percent of Massachusetts voters are now registered as Democrats, and just 8.4 percent are Republicans. All told, independent voters outnumber Republicans more than 7-to-1 and Democrats more than 2-to-1 in the state.

The upshot is that Haley has a reasonably good chance of defeating trump in MA, or at least making a strong showing.

There's also a movement on the D side to choose No Preference over Biden as a protest vote. I haven't seen any predicted numbers for that.

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:17 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:12 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:57 pm Good news!

NYT is reporting that Kyrsten Sinema is bowing out of the Arizona senate race, clearing the way for a two-way contest between Ruben Gallego and MAGA nutjob Kari Lake.

Head-to-head polling puts Gallego nicely ahead of Lake.

I will not miss her.

Meh...she already completed her obligations to the Russians.

What I really don't understand is how her strategy of alienating every Arizona voter didn't work out for her.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:25 pm

MCQueen2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:49 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:00 pm They can be anything, as long as they are loyal.

Well they need to be old and not have independent thinking skills...

Nope, just loyalty.

The rusted on loyalty is insane.

The attitude here is insane.

I’m not voting for Trump in the primary because he is an unhinged lunatic but in a general election match up between Biden and trump I’m voting for trump!

What’s happened to critical thinking. Does everyone live with this cognitive dissonance now?

At this point, I think Biden is the only Democrat that can lose to Trump. He seriously need to step aside and endorse a younger and better candidate if he really want to save US from Trump.

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:53 pm At this point, I think Biden is the only Democrat that can lose to Trump. He seriously need to step aside and endorse a younger and better candidate if he really want to save US from Trump.

You've said similar so many times - do you not understand American politics at all? What you suggest is not an option.

And to entertain the absurd - there is no way AOC beats Trump.

It is an option if Biden want to. He can withdraw and endorse someone else. But he is probably too selfish to do that.