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Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:37 am

em2nought wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:27 am

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:31 am The dude said in his remarks: “No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a [SCOTUS] nomination."

Such ass-kissing doesn’t bode well for him being independent of Trump’s influence.

Good!

You are a horrifyingly terrible excuse for a human being.

Hey, thanks for editing that. I really wouldn't like to

die in a fire

after living so much of my life in the miserable humid heat of FL.

The 2nd Amendment will be safe with this pick. I’m happy. The panic about solidifying the court’s conservative lean for decades is incorrect though: Thomas is 70 years old.

Kavanaugh also has no ruling on abortion other than suggesting that the government might have a compelling interest in providing contraception and that an alien might have a due process right to an abortion.

He’s very anti administrative beuracracy. To translate: he thinks Congress should determine law and not government agencies. Further translation: He is the anti- deep state nominee.

He has no established positions on gay marriage or privacy rights.

Fantastic pick.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:08 am We can all rest easy. Kavanaugh confirmed that Trump consulted with many fine people before making this pick.

Kavanaugh made extremely odd claim: "No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a [SCOTUS] nomination."

There've been ~160 previous nominees -- and selection process isn't generally matter of public record.

It really creeps me out the way nominally accomplished adults who should all, theoretically, have their own agency so blatantly kiss his ass using the Trumpy speaking tone.

I don't even think his legal opinion on voter ID laws in North Carolina has hit the major news yet. But yeah, he's a terrific pick. Haven't used the vomit rolley-eye emotion in a long time, but this might call for it.

The panic about solidifying the court’s conservative lean for decades is incorrect though: Thomas is 70 years old.

RBG is 85

Further translation: He is the anti- deep state nominee.

I wouldn't doubt Conservatives would be overjoyed at this pick. He is somewhere between Gorsuch and Thomas. Maybe even as Conservative as Thomas even. Time will tell there. That is just another problem though with our form of government. The court has now become politicized to an extreme extent. It is even worse that the political lean is controlled again by an extreme minority of the population. This is dangerous territory.

Another way to skin this cat is to recognize that since 1992 the Democrats have had more votes in Presidential elections in 6 out of the last 7 yet have control of 5 seats with 4 *very conservative* justices completely out of pace with the more than half the nation. Especially amongst the 40 and under crowd. This is a slow motion disaster and people are cheering it. It is bonkers because it is pretty likely that this is not going to end well.

Edit: Consider that RBG is 85 and you can see them controlling 6 seats shortly. There is high risk here verging on extreme that another branch will become illiberal and/or increasingly de-legitimatized as cases are funneled their way by red states. This system is under extreme anti-democratic strain.

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:35 am

Yojimbo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:26 pmI'm at the point of cynicism where our "two party" system starts to look like 2 dancers moving to the same song - creating the appearance of options in government but not really giving us any choices.

This is the stupidest fucking thing posted on the Internet in months. The two parties are RADICALLY different. Their policy goals and means of attaining them couldn't be less similar.

It isn't the stupidest by a long shot but nonetheless it is incredibly wrong.

The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm the rich diverse population

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:02 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm the rich diverse population

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

+1 and also how stable do you think a nation can be controlled by a shrinking minority (and for once I don't mean the oligarchy)?

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

I'll be honest, the conservative ideal that the views of a population who happen to be spread out over broader geographic areas (i.e. MSD's definition of "diverse") are inherently far more valid than equivalent sized populations in a more concentrated area is one I can't quite wrap my head around.

he's talking about "real americans"

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:16 pm he's talking about "real americans"

I now have Hulk Hogan's theme song in my head. Thanks a lot.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:17 pm

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:16 pm he's talking about "real americans"

I now have Hulk Hogan's theme song in my head. Thanks a lot.

And I have Sarah Palin's voice. I'd be happy to trade with you.

The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few. Live long and prosper.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:17 pmI now have Hulk Hogan's theme song in my head. Thanks a lot.

Spoiler: It will be the Trump 2020 campaign song too

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:14 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

I'll be honest, the conservative ideal that the views of a population who happen to be spread out over broader geographic areas (i.e. MSD's definition of "diverse") are inherently far more valid than equivalent sized populations in a more concentrated area is one I can't quite wrap my head around.

Well, let's get to the point: that spread out population is mostly white, and that concentrated population is mostly not-white, and really, that's all that matters to conservatives.

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:18 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:17 pm

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:16 pm he's talking about "real americans"

I now have Hulk Hogan's theme song in my head. Thanks a lot.

And I have Sarah Palin's voice. I'd be happy to trade with you.

Nah, I'm good!

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:17 am The 2nd Amendment will be safe with this pick. I’m happy.

With such a capricious president in the White House, 2A is anything but safe. Especially with a new Trump loyalist in the Court.

Edit: Double post

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:19 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:14 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

I'll be honest, the conservative ideal that the views of a population who happen to be spread out over broader geographic areas (i.e. MSD's definition of "diverse") are inherently far more valid than equivalent sized populations in a more concentrated area is one I can't quite wrap my head around.

Well, let's get to the point: that spread out population is mostly white, and that concentrated population is mostly not-white, and really, that's all that matters to conservatives.

And that they ended up spread out over some artificial boundaries created mostly to prop up slavery back in the day is somehow irrelevant. By god, that system has protected us...but all too soon will likely turn against us.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:35 am This pretty much sums up left wing Twitter after the Kavanaugh nom:

Maybe I misheard, i don't understand the tweet (or is it twit) but I heard on the radio last night before the announcement that the woman that was being considered only had 8 months experience as a judge. She has 7 children (two being fostered) and was favored by many. Yet the tweet says she has decades of experience.

The "qualified pro-choice woman" referred to in that tweet is Hillary Clinton.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:34 pm The "qualified pro-choice woman" referred to in that tweet is Hillary Clinton.

Ahhh thanks. (DUH!)

naednek wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:31 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:35 am This pretty much sums up left wing Twitter after the Kavanaugh nom:

Maybe I misheard, i don't understand the tweet (or is it twit) but I heard on the radio last night before the announcement that the woman that was being considered only had 8 months experience as a judge. She has 7 children (two being fostered) and was favored by many. Yet the tweet says she has decades of experience.

If the tweet is talking about Barrett, she has decades of legal experience. To say it's government experience is stretching it. She clerked for Federal courts and the SCOTUS for a bit (5 years?). Then she taught law at private universities until Trump appointed her to a federal court.

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:19 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:14 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

I'll be honest, the conservative ideal that the views of a population who happen to be spread out over broader geographic areas (i.e. MSD's definition of "diverse") are inherently far more valid than equivalent sized populations in a more concentrated area is one I can't quite wrap my head around.

Well, let's get to the point: that spread out population is mostly white, and that concentrated population is mostly not-white, and really, that's all that matters to conservatives.

This sort of socialist brown shirting is why I stay checked out of this forum these days. Socialists of the 21st century same as those of the 1930s I suppose.

I’m happy about the pick though, and about the majority on the court as long as it lasts. I’ll take those feelings back over to EBG.

Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:10 pm This sort of socialist brown shirting is why I stay checked out of this forum these days.

WTF is "socialist brown shirting"?

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:16 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:10 pm This sort of socialist brown shirting is why I stay checked out of this forum these days.

WTF is "socialist brown shirting"?

Clearly liberals are Nazis.

NM

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:12 pm Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

I don't always agree with MSD, but that was unjustified and uncalled for.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:16 pm

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:10 pm This sort of socialist brown shirting is why I stay checked out of this forum these days.

WTF is "socialist brown shirting"?

I am going to guess MSD does not study the finer points of brownshirts,

In Berlin, Nazi Party leader Joseph Goebbels intentionally provoked Communist and Social Democratic actions by marching SA [Brownshirt] storm troopers into working-class neighborhoods where those parties had strongholds. Then he invoked the heroism of the Nazi "martyrs" who were injured or killed in these battles to garner greater public attention. Nazi newspapers, photographs, films, and later paintings dramatized the exploits of these fighters. The "Horst Wessel Song," bearing the name of the twenty-three-year-old storm trooper and protege of Goebbels who was killed in 1930, became the Nazi hymn. The well-publicized image of the SA-man with a bandaged head, a stirring reminder of his combat against the "Marxists" (along with other portrayals of muscular, oversized storm troopers), became standard in party propaganda. In the first eight months of 1932, the Nazis claimed that seventy "martyrs" had fallen in battle against the enemy. Such heroic depictions -- set against the grim realities of chronic unemployment and underemployment for young people during the Weimar period -- no doubt helped increase membership in the SA units, which expanded in Berlin from 450 men in 1926 to some 32,000 by January 1933.

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:12 pm Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

I don't always agree with MSD, but that was unjustified and uncalled for.

What’s unjustified? Saying that he will be happy with the people he has spent a lifetime voting for getting to do the things they have promised to do when he was voting for them?

If you vote Republican, these are the results of your vote. And it not a secret that these would be the results of your vote.

Fireball wrote:

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:12 pm Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

I don't always agree with MSD, but that was unjustified and uncalled for.

What’s unjustified? Saying that he will be happy with the people he has spent a lifetime voting for getting to do the things they have promised to do when he was voting for them?

If you vote Republican, these are the results of your vote. And it not a secret that these would be the results of your vote.

No it's the horrible person comment. It's not appreciated.

I may agree, and msd's concept of diverse and a few counties may be utterly silly. But personal attacks aren't welcome.

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Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:32 pm

Fireball wrote:

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:12 pm Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

I don't always agree with MSD, but that was unjustified and uncalled for.

What’s unjustified? Saying that he will be happy with the people he has spent a lifetime voting for getting to do the things they have promised to do when he was voting for them?

If you vote Republican, these are the results of your vote. And it not a secret that these would be the results of your vote.

No it's the horrible person comment. It's not appreciated.

I may agree, and msd's concept of diverse and a few counties may be utterly silly. But personal attacks aren't welcome.

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I mean, Fireball isn't wrong though. This isn't about disagreements of degrees over tax rates, or stimulus bills, or the finer points of land management. This is a minority of ideologues using technicalities and an utter lack of shame to place restrictions and enforce a morality that the majority of Americans don't share, and real people are being harmed in the name of this regressive, tribal, ignorant fake populist bullshit. At this point, if you still support Trump and Trumpism, you've made the agreement with yourself that you will promote, or at a minimum, tolerate, racism, authoritarianism and constant, unending lies in the name of furthering your agenda. That pretty much makes you a horrible person, and I feel no sympathy for someone who's confronted with that reality.

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:00 pm The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

Malchoir and YK were wrong. THIS is the stupidest thing to be seen on the internet in months.

It's the silly argument that land matters more than people. It's that stupid map Trump likes to show depicting large swaths of red and smaller, concentrated areas of blue. Never mind that he lost by three million votes. Never mind that Los Angeles county has more people than 41 states. Land matters, not people.

geezer wrote:

Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:32 pm

Fireball wrote:

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:12 pm Of course you’re happy. Brown people will be blocked from voting. Women will die in back alley abortions. Gay people will have our bare traces of equality taken away. It’s all roses for a horrible person like you.

I don't always agree with MSD, but that was unjustified and uncalled for.

What’s unjustified? Saying that he will be happy with the people he has spent a lifetime voting for getting to do the things they have promised to do when he was voting for them?

If you vote Republican, these are the results of your vote. And it not a secret that these would be the results of your vote.

No it's the horrible person comment. It's not appreciated.

I may agree, and msd's concept of diverse and a few counties may be utterly silly. But personal attacks aren't welcome.

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I mean, Fireball isn't wrong though. This isn't about disagreements of degrees over tax rates, or stimulus bills, or the finer points of land management. This is a minority of ideologues using technicalities and an utter lack of shame to place restrictions and enforce a morality that the majority of Americans don't share, and real people are being harmed in the name of this regressive, tribal, ignorant fake populist bullshit. At this point, if you still support Trump and Trumpism, you've made the agreement with yourself that you will promote, or at a minimum, tolerate, racism, authoritarianism and constant, unending lies in the name of furthering your agenda. That pretty much makes you a horrible person, and I feel no sympathy for someone who's confronted with that reality.

I agree, and yet direct personal attacks are frowned upon. Green goo has been doing it alot lately as well. It chafes a bit. It should be what sets us a apart from the stupidity of msduncan's idea.

I dunno, maybe I'm parsing too much.
People who think the way you do are bad people based on the choices they make and the destruction they cause to real people.
You are a bad person because people like you make hurtful choices and cause society level destruction of real people.


Are those statements different?

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As to the actual premise:

The vast majority of Democrat votes come from a handful of counties. It’s like a Socialist Hunger Games where a couple city states seek to dictate urban policies to millions of rural citizens.

Our system of government, that you fine folks have been diligently trying to undermine, was designed to prevent this very thing. It has, so far, been working as the Representative Republic that it was designed to be. It has been preventing tyranny of small urban centers over the rich diverse population that spans the country.

1. Urban centers dominating policy for rural populations is horrible, but somehow the rural minority dominating policy for urban centers is acceptable?
2. The system was designed when rural was the core of the country, the overwhelming majority and urbanites were the rare exception. That isn't true anymore.
3. The system isn't working as it was designed. The only way they've achieved what they have is by abusing the system and exploiting loopholes.

msduncan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:17 am

He’s very anti administrative beuracracy. To translate: he thinks Congress should determine law and not government agencies. Further translation: He is the anti- deep state nominee.

You're going to have to explain how a DC native and lifelong resident who has worked for Presidents as a campaigner and secretary of staff, was the subject of 3 years of DC horse-trading to secure a job, and has been on a Federal bench for the past 12 years is "anti-deep state.". If he's anti-deep state, then I'm king of the Illuminati.

Like where does this stuff come from? Facebook?

Is it time for leftist McCarthyism already.


Commies becomes racists and homophobes. Seems like desperation is in the wind.

This should be the best midterm election we have seen in a while. If the Republicans maintain control of the Senate I suspect the left will go into full meltdown mode.

I was actually a little disappointed with the pick. I would really like to see a well qualified conservative woman on the court.