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I think the latest rumor of an illegitimate child with the housekeeper (doorman's story, allegedly), may have us seeing the first presidential divorce in history.malchior wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:04 pm So....Comey's book has an account of Trump asking Comey to look into the Pee tape to 'disprove it'...ahem. It's real.
Still don't think Melania is very happy. She seemed miserable even during the campaign. At this point she may not even care if it isn't true and just want out.malchior wrote:FWIW - there are also rumors that the doorman's ex-wife says he made it up for the money.
I wonder if they're going to detail in the audit on how Congress steals money from them?
What a dope. It will just blow the pension thing up again. And it threatens one of the USPSs big revenue generators.
Hilarious that Trump insults Comey by calling him an untruthful slime ball. That's like GWB insulting someone by saying they aren't super eloquent, or Dr Evil complaining that his enemies are building sharks with lasers on their heads.Chaz wrote:You mean that untruthful slime ball? He was a terrible director of the FBI!
I am guessing at this point Trump is pretty good at pre-nups. He has a lot of experience at this whole divorce thing.Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:05 pmStill don't think Melania is very happy. She seemed miserable even during the campaign. At this point she may not even care if it isn't true and just want out.malchior wrote:FWIW - there are also rumors that the doorman's ex-wife says he made it up for the money.
He was paid money to keep a lie quiet? Or he wasn't even paid money and just hopes to make money now...?malchior wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:41 pm FWIW - there are also rumors that the doorman's ex-wife says he made it up for the money.
Although isn't the rumor that the illegitimate kid was from a fling in the 80s? Not that it isn't scummy, but doesn't have much to do with Melania.Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:05 pmStill don't think Melania is very happy. She seemed miserable even during the campaign. At this point she may not even care if it isn't true and just want out.malchior wrote:FWIW - there are also rumors that the doorman's ex-wife says he made it up for the money.
There is power in lies - as we are unfortunately living. To someone like Trump, keeping a rumor secret could easily be worth cash. Especially when paying off people is a norm.
So you think the guy known for stiffing contractors to save a few bucks would shell out $30,000 to a guy who made up a story about him?malchior wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:14 amThere is power in lies - as we are unfortunately living. To someone like Trump, keeping a rumor secret could easily be worth cash. Especially when paying off people is a norm.Unagi wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:01 am He was paid money to keep a lie quiet? Or he wasn't even paid money and just hopes to make money now...?
Same.YellowKing wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:16 am Just pre-ordered Comey's book. It's my small petty way of giving Trump the finger.
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.Hamlet3145 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:33 amSame.YellowKing wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:16 am Just pre-ordered Comey's book. It's my small petty way of giving Trump the finger.
Bareback, per Stormy Daniels.YellowKing wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:31 am I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a self-described "germaphobe" thinks watching a girl pee from across a room is disgusting but apparently has no problem fucking porn stars.
To be clear the audit doesn't mention Amazon - it's an audit of the Post Office's finances more generally. Obviously Trump has Amazon in mind, but the scope is broader than that. One other interesting thing is that apparently the order calls for the reconsideration of the Post Office's "universal service requirement" - e.g. the requirement that they carry mail to anyone in the country regardless of location. Which is I'm sure the kind of thing that rural Trump voters had in mind.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:51 amWhat a dope. It will just blow the pension thing up again. And it threatens one of the USPSs big revenue generators.
He's proven to be a terrible negotiator (as if we needed further proof) and the bully tactics that he uses to mask his ineptitude don't scale up to this level.
You’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
Blaming Comey for sending that goddamn letter in clear violation of DOJ policy around investigations and elections is not at all inconsistent with also blaming Clinton for campaign screw-ups. But it remains the case that had Comey not sent the letter, it is very unlikely that Trump would be president.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
And if Clinton hadn't been bricking threes and turning the ball over all game long, the Comey letter would have only affected the size of her victory.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 amBlaming Comey for sending that goddamn letter in clear violation of DOJ policy around investigations and elections is not at all inconsistent with also blaming Clinton for campaign screw-ups. But it remains the case that had Comey not sent the letter, it is very unlikely that Trump would be president.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
My vague recollection/understanding is that he was in the position of choosing between two bad options: either announce that the investigation was reopened or not do so, in which case Giuliani's buddies in the pro-Trump NY office were going to leak it. Either way, the Clinton campaign was going to take a hit.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
Yes! I get why people want to think everything bad is true but the man's ex-wife says he made it up. She might have a motive too - she is the ex-wife - but it isn't hard to believe he'd pay the hush money to keep his name out of the press. Not paying the contractors was just a business model to him. He is a crook but wants to be an adored crook.Sepiche wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:20 amSo you think the guy known for stiffing contractors to save a few bucks would shell out $30,000 to a guy who made up a story about him?malchior wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:14 amThere is power in lies - as we are unfortunately living. To someone like Trump, keeping a rumor secret could easily be worth cash. Especially when paying off people is a norm.Unagi wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:01 am He was paid money to keep a lie quiet? Or he wasn't even paid money and just hopes to make money now...?
Again, not arguing that. Of course there are other things. BUT there's no reasonable dispute that had Comey not made the decision to send that letter, Trump would not be president. It was a national campaign with lots of people involved, but Comey is in the inner circle of people most directly responsible for Trump being President. Clinton is also among that group.ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:06 amAnd if Clinton hadn't been bricking threes and turning the ball over all game long, the Comey letter would have only affected the size of her victory.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 amBlaming Comey for sending that goddamn letter in clear violation of DOJ policy around investigations and elections is not at all inconsistent with also blaming Clinton for campaign screw-ups. But it remains the case that had Comey not sent the letter, it is very unlikely that Trump would be president.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
(I'm enjoying this analogy.)
There are no allegations that Trump paid the guy off. As I understand it, he called in a tip to the National Enquirer and they paid for the story, then sat on it. Former National Enquirer staff have supposedly said that it would be unusual for the paper to pay out that much money if they didn't believe the story was somewhat credible.malchior wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:10 amYes! I get why people want to think everything bad is true but the man's ex-wife says he made it up. She might have a motive too - she is the ex-wife - but it isn't hard to believe he'd pay the hush money to keep his name out of the press. Not paying the contractors was just a business model to him. He is a crook but wants to be an adored crook.Sepiche wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:20 amSo you think the guy known for stiffing contractors to save a few bucks would shell out $30,000 to a guy who made up a story about him?malchior wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:14 amThere is power in lies - as we are unfortunately living. To someone like Trump, keeping a rumor secret could easily be worth cash. Especially when paying off people is a norm.Unagi wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:01 am He was paid money to keep a lie quiet? Or he wasn't even paid money and just hopes to make money now...?
Again. No. There is a reasonable dispute, it starts with Clinton not violating federal regulations on the storage of emails. Note, I'm not claiming there was any violations or intent to mishandle classified material. That was a stretch from the beginning that happened to work out for the GOP.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:14 amAgain, not arguing that. Of course there are other things. BUT there's no reasonable dispute that had Comey not made the decision to send that letter, Trump would not be president. It was a national campaign with lots of people involved, but Comey is in the inner circle of people most directly responsible for Trump being President. Clinton is also among that group.ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:06 amAnd if Clinton hadn't been bricking threes and turning the ball over all game long, the Comey letter would have only affected the size of her victory.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 amBlaming Comey for sending that goddamn letter in clear violation of DOJ policy around investigations and elections is not at all inconsistent with also blaming Clinton for campaign screw-ups. But it remains the case that had Comey not sent the letter, it is very unlikely that Trump would be president.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
(I'm enjoying this analogy.)
And note that Comey specifically says in his book that he did what he did because of his (mis)reading of campaign polls. It's not like it was a "do the honorable thing and let the chips fall where they may" kind of thing.
And butchered the grammar in my amazing long sentence. 
Unless you buy it through Amazon and have it shipped via USPS.
You're just butchering causation at this point. By your logic you can't blame Clinton for Trump being president either, because had Ted Cruz or Jeb! Bush beaten Trump in the primary then her campaign wouldn't have impacted whether Trump became president or not. And by the same logic it is by definition impossible for any bad penalty (no matter how egregious) to change the outcome of a game, because by definition for the call to change the outcome the game must be close, and if the game is close then the losing team could have won notwithstanding the penalty by playing just a tiny bit better.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:13 pmAgain. No. There is a reasonable dispute, it starts with Clinton not violating federal regulations on the storage of emails. Note, I'm not claiming there was any violations or intent to mishandle classified material. That was a stretch from the beginning that happened to work out for the GOP.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:14 amAgain, not arguing that. Of course there are other things. BUT there's no reasonable dispute that had Comey not made the decision to send that letter, Trump would not be president. It was a national campaign with lots of people involved, but Comey is in the inner circle of people most directly responsible for Trump being President. Clinton is also among that group.ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:06 amAnd if Clinton hadn't been bricking threes and turning the ball over all game long, the Comey letter would have only affected the size of her victory.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:03 amBlaming Comey for sending that goddamn letter in clear violation of DOJ policy around investigations and elections is not at all inconsistent with also blaming Clinton for campaign screw-ups. But it remains the case that had Comey not sent the letter, it is very unlikely that Trump would be president.Fitzy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 amYou’re blaming the ref for calling a last minute foul instead of blaming the Clinton team for playing a pathetic game.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am
I'd have mixed feelings about that because it's also giving money to someone who is uniquely responsible for Trump being the president.
(I'm enjoying this analogy.)
And note that Comey specifically says in his book that he did what he did because of his (mis)reading of campaign polls. It's not like it was a "do the honorable thing and let the chips fall where they may" kind of thing.
I am saying she intentionally created a second email address to avoid the flood of incoming FOIA requests she knew was coming the moment she accepted the Secretary position.
Had she not--against regulation, but probably not any criminal laws--created the second email account, there would have been nothing for Comey to say or investigate.
To stretch the analogy further, Comey may have made a a bad choice calling the flagrant foul against Clinton for fouling Mr. Secrets (though Comey reversed himself on instant replay), and that may have demoralized TeamClinton, knocked out their momentum and energized team OrangeDouche, allowing them the easy game winning layup, but she did intentionally foul Mr. FOIA--who some people twisted into Mr. Secrets. Had she not fouled Mr. FOIA, Comey would have had nothing to make the bad call against and, as was said by ImLawBoy, without the other mistakes from Team Clinton, she would have been so far ahead it wouldn't have mattered.
I think I'm stretching this a bit far
My point is this: the "inner circle of people most directly responsible for Trump being President" is pretty small. Hillary Clinton. The American Voters (and non-voters).
Comey might, however, be on the list of people who had tiny bit of influence on the election, but really by that point it was moot and to blame him is to direct responsibility away from those actually at fault.
So you don't have to feel guilty for buying his book.
I don't know why people seem to think that I am trying to absolve Clinton here. All I'm saying is that (by the analogy) the ref changed the outcome of the game. That's it. And because of that I am not super inclined to buy the ref's book.LordMortis wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:29 pm Going by the analogy. I don't doubt the Ref cost her the game as the score was so close. But she put herself in the position where a call by the ref could cost her the game, a game she should have won without question. Blaming her loss on refs bad call is nothing but homerism.
355 days. 2000 lies. He averages only 5.6 lies per day.CNN wrote:We know that Trump said more than 2,000 things in his first year in office that were either partially or entirely untrue.
I just think you're not having as much fun with this as the rest of us are.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:31 pmI don't know why people seem to think that I am trying to absolve Clinton here. All I'm saying is that (by the analogy) the ref changed the outcome of the game. That's it. And because of that I am not super inclined to buy the ref's book.LordMortis wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:29 pm Going by the analogy. I don't doubt the Ref cost her the game as the score was so close. But she put herself in the position where a call by the ref could cost her the game, a game she should have won without question. Blaming her loss on refs bad call is nothing but homerism.
Probably, although I did enjoy attributing the 2016 election to the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. #WhatReallyHappened.ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:48 pmI just think you're not having as much fun with this as the rest of us are.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:31 pmI don't know why people seem to think that I am trying to absolve Clinton here. All I'm saying is that (by the analogy) the ref changed the outcome of the game. That's it. And because of that I am not super inclined to buy the ref's book.LordMortis wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:29 pm Going by the analogy. I don't doubt the Ref cost her the game as the score was so close. But she put herself in the position where a call by the ref could cost her the game, a game she should have won without question. Blaming her loss on refs bad call is nothing but homerism.
Yeah but he's only golfed like 126 days and that's than one day of golf per day. Really, look at how much Obama golfed Way more than 5.6 times in his first year alone.Paingod wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:45 pm I like this line from a CNN Article that looks at the "11 Eye-Opening Things" in the Comey book.355 days. 2000 lies. He averages only 5.6 lies per day.CNN wrote:We know that Trump said more than 2,000 things in his first year in office that were either partially or entirely untrue.
Grifman wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:09 pm I find it hard to blame Comey for Trump's election and Clinton's defeat. I mean, seriously, her State Department emails were found on a laptop in Anthony Weiner's possession?! WTF?!? She had no one, and I mean no one, to blame but herself for this. Her ignorance of basic computer security and safety and the inability of her to have someone on her staff that could just say NO to this stupid idea of a private server and to co-mingle her official and private emails - she is totally blame for that. This was a disaster waiting to happen, and she has only herself to blame.
Seriously, just read Nate Silver's analysis. Comey's letter changed the outcome of the election. So did Clinton's use of an e-mail server. They are both responsible, and neither can absolve their responsibility by pointing to the other.El Guapo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:31 pmI don't know why people seem to think that I am trying to absolve Clinton here. All I'm saying is that (by the analogy) the ref changed the outcome of the game. That's it. And because of that I am not super inclined to buy the ref's book.LordMortis wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:29 pm Going by the analogy. I don't doubt the Ref cost her the game as the score was so close. But she put herself in the position where a call by the ref could cost her the game, a game she should have won without question. Blaming her loss on refs bad call is nothing but homerism.