Octopus Overlords

*grumbles* back to where i started the day...

 RMC 
 

 RMC 
 

I believe that's N-2.

Votes Day 4

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West ---------> Mr. Bubbles
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> RMC
8 Theohall ---------------> Mr. Bubbles
11 Coopasonic -----------> RMC
12 El Guapo --------------> RMC
13 Lord Mortis -----------> RMC
15 Unagi ------------------> RMC
16 Pr0ner -----------------> RMC
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Mr. Bubbles
21 Grundbegriff --------->

RMC 6 <--------------- Pr0ner, El Guapo, Unagi, Lord Mortis, Coopasonic, Mr. Bubbles
Mr. Bubbles 3 <------ Theohall, Isgrimnur, Remus West


Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill

Players Remaining 14
Majority is 8
Deadline: Wednesday July 27, 9PM EST

coopasonic wrote:I believe that's N-2.

Actually it's n-1 and so far no overvote, so that's a good sign.

Almost edited my post to correct myself . 8 is correct. The more than half is part of why this is pulling teeth.

No, it's n-2; we're at 6 votes currently, and majority is 8.

Interesting how fast the votes have piled on for both Bubbles and RMC.

are we giving rmc a chance to speak...?

I'm surprised how quickly the vote went from bubbles to rmc though.

Yes I agree I havent been posting a ton, (neither have several people, oddly)... I'll try to remedy it this week, now that i have me some free tie till thursday.

Honestly....

El GUap and Unagi are trusted and this is where they went, so I guess its a solid vote... still, _I_ want to know the deal with bubbles deleted post... I guess while we wait for rmc to say something...anything... I'll try and re-read that whole section.

8 meaning n-2. Sigh.

Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

el guapo agreed with me, there is no way in hell we can be right...

I'm also not sure of what to make of Bubbles' "wait, Remus was stunned?" bit. It's not just the "remus is stunned" post from bb2112, it's also all of the discussion thereafter that he would have had to miss (the discussion is at least enough to make one asks questions about what's going on, I'd think).

Semaj wrote:I'm surprised how quickly the vote went from bubbles to rmc though.

My vote went because Guap and Unagi agree. I assume they've allowed for discussion and it's not like the vote came out of nowhere. While I'd prefer Grund (or even KK) today, that push doesn't seem like it's going to happen.

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

Really, though, do you think he, or Grund, or KeneticKid, are actually going to bother to speak, or are they just going to continue to ride on this game's coattails without saying much?

pr0ner wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

Really, though, do you think he, or Grund, or KeneticKid, are actually going to bother to speak, or are they just going to continue to ride on this game's coattails without saying much?

RMC had contributed much more than Semaj to this point so I do not think it fair to lump him in with Grund or Kenetickid who have given us nothing at all. That said, what he has contributed is suspicious which is why I haven't said anything against lynching him. I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Remus West wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

Really, though, do you think he, or Grund, or KeneticKid, are actually going to bother to speak, or are they just going to continue to ride on this game's coattails without saying much?

RMC had contributed much more than Semaj to this point so I do not think it fair to lump him in with Grund or Kenetickid who have given us nothing at all. That said, what he has contributed is suspicious which is why I haven't said anything against lynching him. I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

I agree. For most of the game I haven't been reading Mortis as too suspicious, but his voting patterns and rationale lately have been raising my suspicions. If Mortis is rebel, though, that suggests that RMC isn't - willing to jump on that train but not the Bubbles train.

I've been holding back my vote off of RMC due to the willingness of both LordMortis and Coop to vote there. I held back from Bubbles most of the day - even though I think it evident that I was looking there - due to Coop voting there. They are my top two suspects behind Bubbles really and I wasn't sure they would go early after one of their own. I also figured that any lynch we managed to reach without "known" players on it tells us a ton more than it does if we are on it.

Post counts for our silents:

KeneticKid - 9, none since July 20. Only possible redeeming value was being on the scoop train early on Day 1. A knock against him was that he was on the Chaosraven lynch at the end of day 1. Managed to get back on the scoop vote for Day 2.

Grundbegriff - 36. However, all but 2 of these posts were on day 1. This sole contribution to the game since then: "Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!" and "Thank you. I like you, too.". The latter was to tru1cy, whom Grund has been over since his epic day 1.

RMC - 12. His posts have been chronicled by Unagi.

Semaj - 32. At least his posts are spread out during the game.

Remus West wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, we should give RMC (more of) a chance to speak. I'd also like to hear from others as well, and do a re-read this evening (while there's still time to change targets).

Really, though, do you think he, or Grund, or KeneticKid, are actually going to bother to speak, or are they just going to continue to ride on this game's coattails without saying much?

RMC had contributed much more than Semaj to this point so I do not think it fair to lump him in with Grund or Kenetickid who have given us nothing at all. That said, what he has contributed is suspicious which is why I haven't said anything against lynching him. I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Has he really, though? See my post count list I just posted. Unless, of course, you consider semaj's posts to contain less content than the few posts RMC has managed to conjure up?

El Guapo wrote:No, it's n-2; we're at 6 votes currently, and majority is 8.

Interesting how fast the votes have piled on for both Bubbles and RMC.

They are both Rebels, and the remaining rebels see the end game closing... Who doesn't want to win a little Imperial Credit by taking part in this?

Remus West wrote:I've been holding back my vote off of RMC due to the willingness of both LordMortis and Coop to vote there. I held back from Bubbles most of the day - even though I think it evident that I was looking there - due to Coop voting there. They are my top two suspects behind Bubbles really and I wasn't sure they would go early after one of their own. I also figured that any lynch we managed to reach without "known" players on it tells us a ton more than it does if we are on it.

All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

pr0ner wrote:Post counts for our silents:

KeneticKid - 9, none since July 20. Only possible redeeming value was being on the scoop train early on Day 1. A knock against him was that he was on the Chaosraven lynch at the end of day 1. Managed to get back on the scoop vote for Day 2.

Grundbegriff - 36. However, all but 2 of these posts were on day 1. This sole contribution to the game since then: "Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!" and "Thank you. I like you, too.". The latter was to tru1cy, whom Grund has been over since his epic day 1.

RMC - 12. His posts have been chronicled by Unagi.

Semaj - 32. At least his posts are spread out during the game.

I'd also include tru1cy as a silent, though he's been trending up lately.

Between the silents I put RMC and Grund higher in suspicion than KK or Semaj. Semaj's posts, while limited, haven't been overly suspicious to me, and KK at least has the day 1 behavior that you noted (since he started on Scoop and went back there).

With Grund, what I'm trying to wrap my head around is that it's hard to see this level of silence as strategic, given the attention that it's drawing. Unless it's Chewie, I suppose.

Unagi wrote:

El Guapo wrote:No, it's n-2; we're at 6 votes currently, and majority is 8.

Interesting how fast the votes have piled on for both Bubbles and RMC.

They are both Rebels, and the remaining rebels see the end game closing... Who doesn't want to win a little Imperial Credit by taking part in this?

I can see that on the Newcastle vote (since he was mostly dead to rights). It's hard to imagine rebels joining a lynch of rebel RMC or Bubbles, though, since: (1) while one of them is most likely the lynch at this point, there's still time to move the vote; and (2) having lost three rebels in rapid succession, it's playing a dangerous game to willingly give up another rebel. I can see a rebel joining a lynch of a rebel early for cred, though there's some danger when they leave that vote as its gaining steam.

Remus West wrote:I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Find it suspicious all you want, I didn't start the day following anyone but maybe coop and that's to get a better feel for how he is playing. Would you prefer me to leave my vote on Grund at this juncture because that's where I'd prefer to leave it? Without knowing how many shoot people in the streets we have left nor how many the rebels have nor which other ugly tricks they have, I'd prefer not to go a day without lynching. Would that make you feel better how the day will turn out? Quite frankly, I find it fearful that you don't move when you see the direction things are going, so I'll make you happy for now.

 Grund 
 

Haven't been around today, but both Bubbles and RMC look guilty to me.... so....

 Lynch RMC 
 


Back to N-2, since LM switched.

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

LordMortis wrote:

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

It wasn't a valid way of thinking in that game either. With that comment, I'll revert to that play not making any sense.

LordMortis wrote:

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

Ok, you're back up my suspect list again.

Tell me, how could our game basically be over with a single miss today?

El Guapo wrote:

Unagi wrote:

El Guapo wrote:No, it's n-2; we're at 6 votes currently, and majority is 8.

Interesting how fast the votes have piled on for both Bubbles and RMC.

They are both Rebels, and the remaining rebels see the end game closing... Who doesn't want to win a little Imperial Credit by taking part in this?

I can see that on the Newcastle vote (since he was mostly dead to rights). It's hard to imagine rebels joining a lynch of rebel RMC or Bubbles, though...

In short, I think the remaining Rebels likely see RMC and Bubbles as likely to die before the end game... That's independant of them (RMC/Bubbles) being Rebels, themselves...

In any case - it would be very hard to tell these animals apart:
1. A rebel that thinks (and perhaps has been told off screen) their partner; RMC and/or Bubbles will be revealed eventually
2. An Imperial player that thinks RMC and/or Bubbles is likely a Rebel.
3. A rebel that thinks Innocent RMC and/or Bubbles have plenty of mud on em, and it's fairly easy to get behind their lynch.

#1 may play with their vote a little... that's for sure...
#2 may be guilted into playing with their vote too...
#3 they will likely try not to look like it's entirely their idea... but then again - to look Good, they may look very confident...

pr0ner wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

Ok, you're back up my suspect list again.

Tell me, how could our game basically be over with a single miss today?

Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

So if for instance Luke, Chewie, Yoda, and Lando were in the game (and Lando didn't even figure into my original thoughts) we have Mara (if she is in the game) joining the rebels becoming likely and quickly.

That 5 rebels out of 14 players. Kill the wrong guy today that's 5 of 13. Rebels kill tonight. That's 5 of 12. A vote goes to Chewie, he rips off an arm, mara shoots someone. That's 5 of 10. Yoda over votes. Game over. Or we go to lynch Lando and the day resets only it's 5 rebels out of 13 players, so Mara can just shoot and Yoda can over vote.

Of course this has a contingency of what imperial powers are left, of which it's possible the Rebels know more than we do. Echange Lando with Kincaid and they know who's dead, not needing to scan raven or trig...

LordMortis wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

Ok, you're back up my suspect list again.

Tell me, how could our game basically be over with a single miss today?

Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

So if for instance Luke, Chewie, Yoda, and Lando were in the game (and Lando didn't even figure into my original thoughts) we have Mara (if she is in the game) joining the rebels becoming likely and quickly.

That 5 rebels out of 14 players. Kill the wrong guy today that's 5 of 13. Rebels kill tonight. That's 5 of 12. A vote goes to Chewie, he rips off an arm, mara shoots someone. That's 5 of 10. Yoda over votes. Game over. Or we go to lynch Lando and the day resets only it's 5 rebels out of 13 players, so Mara can just shoot and Yoda can over vote.

Of course this has a contingency of what imperial powers are left, of which it's possible the Rebels know more than we do. Echange Lando with Kincaid and they know who's dead, not needing to scan raven or trig...

That scenario has us missing 2 more times.

pr0ner wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

coopasonic wrote:All it should tell you about me is that I have no idea who to vote for other than not Unagi, Remus or Guapo. If watching my voting is how you are trying to determine who might be evil, you are doing it wrong. I'm starting to think like Mortis in the last game. Maybe it would be better if I was gone so you would stop being distracted by my actions. At the time I didn't understand that play at all, but now it is making more sense.

Sadly, it was never a valid way of thinking in this game. With no idea when the game will end you can't work with a kill me strategy. Our game could already basically be over with a single miss today even if the game has been played nearly perfectly and with R2s overvote being used.

Ok, you're back up my suspect list again.

Tell me, how could our game basically be over with a single miss today?

Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

So if for instance Luke, Chewie, Yoda, and Lando were in the game (and Lando didn't even figure into my original thoughts) we have Mara (if she is in the game) joining the rebels becoming likely and quickly.

That 5 rebels out of 14 players. Kill the wrong guy today that's 5 of 13. Rebels kill tonight. That's 5 of 12. A vote goes to Chewie, he rips off an arm, mara shoots someone. That's 5 of 10. Yoda over votes. Game over. Or we go to lynch Lando and the day resets only it's 5 rebels out of 13 players, so Mara can just shoot and Yoda can over vote.

Of course this has a contingency of what imperial powers are left, of which it's possible the Rebels know more than we do. Echange Lando with Kincaid and they know who's dead, not needing to scan raven or trig...

That scenario has us missing 2 more times.

What? That scenario has us missing just today. Tomorrow if we miss or hit chewie or vote for Lando it could be over. And that scenario is not as remote as you may think. Rather than being the perfect storm of 7 (assumed. Heaven forbid there were 8) rebels being chosen, it's about which two rebels weren't and about having found Mara if she exists.

The rebels win as soon as the number of rebels equals the number of imperials, right? Is that instantaneous, or do we check that victory condition at a certain point?

Basically, if there were 6 imperials and 5 rebels (say), and an imperial votes for Chewie who rips is arms off, reducing us to 5 and 5, do the rebels win instantly, or could Greedo then shoot a rebel and the imperials lynch another rebel, pushing it to 5 and 3 and thereby extending the game?

El Guapo wrote:The rebels win as soon as the number of rebels equals the number of imperials, right? Is that instantaneous, or do we check that victory condition at a certain point?

Basically, if there were 6 imperials and 5 rebels (say), and an imperial votes for Chewie who rips is arms off, reducing us to 5 and 5, do the rebels win instantly, or could Greedo then shoot a rebel and the imperials lynch another rebel, pushing it to 5 and 3 and thereby extending the game?

I will step in here to avoid confusion and a bunch of posts all rambling about something only I can answer anyway. The Rebels will win if ever there are an equal number of Rebels and Imperials, unless there are Imperials with powers that could offset that win. El Guapo comes up with a perfect example where I would let things play out because Greedo would have a shot to use that could change the numbers back into the Imperials favor.

For those trying to read things into my posts, this is not a hint that Greedo is in the game. He is just used for example purposes.

LordMortis wrote:

Remus West wrote:I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Find it suspicious all you want, I didn't start the day following anyone but maybe coop and that's to get a better feel for how he is playing. Would you prefer me to leave my vote on Grund at this juncture because that's where I'd prefer to leave it? Without knowing how many shoot people in the streets we have left nor how many the rebels have nor which other ugly tricks they have, I'd prefer not to go a day without lynching. Would that make you feel better how the day will turn out? Quite frankly, I find it fearful that you don't move when you see the direction things are going, so I'll make you happy for now.

 Grund 
 

See, why would you be at all concern about my being happy with the place you vote? You and I are almost equal in our knowledge of the game. You actually have a slight edge on me by being able to have only a small window of possible Rebel for me while I know nothing of you.

LordMortis wrote:]Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

This is interesting. So you are saying that Qantaga was R2D2?

 LordMortis 
 

Remus West wrote:

LordMortis wrote:]Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

This is interesting. So you are saying that Qantaga was R2D2?

 LordMortis 
 

Huh.

I totally missed that "probably R2" part when I read LM's post of confusion the first few times.

Well there you go. I am away for the weekend, and almost get lynched. <sigh> I guess the silent tactic does not work in these games either.

I was sitting back and trying to see which way the wind blows with who is who. I now see that is a bad way to go about these games.

My questions are all over the place, but I have to get the kids dinner and then I can come back and get some of my thoughts down.

I have been silent this game, and I can see how that is a reason for targeting me, but I have been trying to look over everything at night and then post once I get home.

That is not working so well for me. And I don't have one of those fancy phones that I can look at the boards anymore since I left my last job.

I am not a rebel. I will be back...after dinner and bath time.

You know, he's slipped time and time again this game. It's time to find out what side he's on.

 LordMortis 
 

Remus West wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

Remus West wrote:I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Find it suspicious all you want, I didn't start the day following anyone but maybe coop and that's to get a better feel for how he is playing. Would you prefer me to leave my vote on Grund at this juncture because that's where I'd prefer to leave it? Without knowing how many shoot people in the streets we have left nor how many the rebels have nor which other ugly tricks they have, I'd prefer not to go a day without lynching. Would that make you feel better how the day will turn out? Quite frankly, I find it fearful that you don't move when you see the direction things are going, so I'll make you happy for now.

 Grund 
 

See, why would you be at all concern about my being happy with the place you vote? You and I are almost equal in our knowledge of the game. You actually have a slight edge on me by being able to have only a small window of possible Rebel for me while I know nothing of you.

LordMortis wrote:]Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

This is interesting. So you are saying that Qantaga was R2D2?

 LordMortis 
 

Actually I'm screwing and thinking R2 got killed as part of of an outing and you are using that as an excuse.

I'm concerned with the way worry about my vote going the direction the game is going because you seem to be looking for fall guys.

LordMortis wrote:

Remus West wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

Remus West wrote:I find Lordmortis more questionable currently due to his "look, I'm following player X's advice" method of voting right now. It reminds me way to much of the game he was the Sorcerer and told everyone to keep following me.

Find it suspicious all you want, I didn't start the day following anyone but maybe coop and that's to get a better feel for how he is playing. Would you prefer me to leave my vote on Grund at this juncture because that's where I'd prefer to leave it? Without knowing how many shoot people in the streets we have left nor how many the rebels have nor which other ugly tricks they have, I'd prefer not to go a day without lynching. Would that make you feel better how the day will turn out? Quite frankly, I find it fearful that you don't move when you see the direction things are going, so I'll make you happy for now.

 Grund 
 

See, why would you be at all concern about my being happy with the place you vote? You and I are almost equal in our knowledge of the game. You actually have a slight edge on me by being able to have only a small window of possible Rebel for me while I know nothing of you.

LordMortis wrote:]Assuming 7 to start and three are dead. 2 are probably Leia and R2. Guap tells us that Han is the third.

This is interesting. So you are saying that Qantaga was R2D2?

 LordMortis 
 

Actually I'm screwing and thinking R2 got killed as part of of an outing and you are using that as an excuse.

I'm concerned with the way worry about my vote going the direction the game is going because you seem to be looking for fall guys.

You've made multiple slips this game. Why should we suddenly choose to ignore them now?

As for your second line, I'm so utterly confused.