Immigration Policy

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:03 pm

If you want to avoid committing crime, avoid thinking. Problem solved.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:03 pm

It's chilling that someone actually created that graphic and several others approved it.

Even though they deleted it (which was probably planned from the start), this was clearly an intentional message. They're telling us that none of this stops with the most obvious forms of "Woke."

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:24 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:03 pm It's chilling that someone actually created that graphic and several others approved it.

Even though they deleted it (which was probably planned from the start), this was clearly an intentional message. They're telling us that none of this stops with the most obvious forms of "Woke."

DHS is claiming that it was supposed to say "Intellectual Property" rather than "Ideas" although I have no ideas about how that phrase would have fit into the graphic. "IP" would fit, but lacks any real punch in terms of ominous messaging.

ICE Deletes Post About Stopping 'Illegal Ideas' From Crossing Border

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) quickly deleted a social media post Thursday that claimed that its mission is not just to keep out illegal immigrants, money, and products, but "ideas" as well.

Appearing as the latest tough-on-immigration social media post from the Trump administration, the graphic stated: "If it crosses the U.S. border illegally, it's our job to stop it".

The post sparked confusion on X, formerly Twitter, with several immigration and law experts asking what counted as an "illegal idea", as it was reshared widely over the space of a few hours.

The Department of Homeland Security told Newsweek the post was made in error.

"That post was sent without proper approval and should not have been shared," Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in a statement. "'Ideas' should have said 'intellectual property'."

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:40 pm

I call bullshit.

First of all, intellectual property is already covered by "products." Second, what utterly miniscule portion of the populace cares enough about "illegal IP" to place it on the same level as undocumented immigrants or drugs?

This is a fake-out.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:19 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 5:14 pm FWIW, it's an administrative stay to give the Court the opportunity to review. From what I'm reading, we could still get an actual ruling this week.

RE: Maryland man illegally taken to El Salvador and ordered by a lower court to return him.

US Supreme Court upholds order to facilitate return of deportee sent to El Salvador in error

I suppose Trump could appeal to himself.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:28 pm

So if he defies an order upheld by the SC, I don't think anyone can argue we aren't now in a constitutional crisis.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:54 am

Won't be an issue if the guy has "disappeared".

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:35 pm

Sounds like it's going great:

Judge - Where is he?

Lawyer -

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:26 pm

Nothing will happen until consequences start to be felt, which I guess means nothing will happen.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:51 pm

They're just waiting until he can die of (whatever disease they'll claim he died of.)

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:18 pm

The war on thoughtcrime is going well.

Judge allows Columbia graduate Mahmoud Khalil's deportation

A US judge has ruled the government can deport Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate arrested last month by immigration officers.

Mr Khalil, a permanent legal US resident, has not been charged with a crime. The government is seeking to remove him under a Cold War-era immigration law.

He has been held at a Louisiana detention centre since 8 March, when US immigration officers told him he was being deported for taking part in campus protests against the war in Gaza.

In a letter written from the facility, Mr Khalil has said his "arrest was a direct consequence" of speaking out for Palestine.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:32 pm

I don't see how Trump will allow Abrego Garcia (the immigrant sent to a torture dungeon "by mistake") to return the US.

They're probably hoping he is dead. If not, they'll find a way to keep him in El Salvador (which he fled), just not in prison. As the dictatorship in El Salvador has such an interest in continuing the Trump prisoner pipeline, they'll make sure Garcia never has a chance to speak out about his treatment.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:48 pm

Best guess I've seen is they'll say after speaking with local officials, they've learned he committed some type of crime while in their custody and now must serve a sentence based on the local jurisdiction. Once he completes that, of course the administration will advocate for his return - but it's important that we respect the rule of law, especially in foreign countries.

Spoiler - he'll disappear

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:13 am

Or just have him killed in El Salvador and say oh well, nothing we can do about it now.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:42 am

Especially if it’s an official act.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:12 pm

If they can deport immigrant without due process, what is to stop them from "accidentally" deport an US citizen with wrong skin color and tattoos?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:07 pm

Absolutely nothing.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:28 pm

If not already happening. Heather Cox Richardson's letter yesterday was especially chilling.

Makena Kelly of Wired reported today that for the past three days, DOGE staffers have been working with representatives from Palantir and career engineers from the IRS in a giant “hackathon.” Their goal is to build a system that will be able to access all IRS records, including names, addresses, job data, and Social Security numbers, that can then be compared with data from other agencies.

But the administration’s attempt to automate deportation is riddled with errors. Last night the government sent threatening emails to U.S. citizens, green card holders, and even a Canadian (in Canada) terminating “your parole” and giving them seven days to leave the U.S. One Massachusetts-born immigration lawyer asked on social media: “Does anyone know if you can get Italian citizenship through great-grandparents?”
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As Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor recently warned, if the administration can take noncitizens off the streets, render them to prison in another country, and then claim it is helpless to correct the error because the person is out of reach of U.S. jurisdiction, it could do the same thing to citizens. Indeed, both President Trump and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt have proposed that very thing.
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By April 20, the secretaries of defense and homeland security are supposed to report to the president whether they think he should invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act to enable him to use the military to aid in mass deportations.

Anyone who doesn't follow HCR really ought to remedy that.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:09 pm

https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnic ... pwtuavhk2l

NEW: DOJ doubles down on refusing to follow Judge Xinis's orders. Today's status report contains nothing new. It again fails to provide information about steps they're taking to bring Mr. Abrego back), and arguably violates her command that a declaration be made by someone with personal knowledge.

DOJ has now seemingly twice refused to provide the information Judge Xinis ordered them to provide about steps they are taking to "facilitate the return" of Mr. Abrego.

What's next?

There's a hearing on Tuesday where she will be demanding more information. Plaintiffs are also likely going to move to hold them in contempt of court, after which she can start ratcheting up the pressure.

Here's a suggestion. Start throwing people in jail under a contempt charge and keep doing it to another person in the DoJ each day until something changes. I didn't attend fancy law school, but I'm guessing that's going to move the needle.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Apr 13, 2025 10:20 pm

How long do you suppose it'll be until Congress impeaches her so that Trump can appoint a replacement that makes all of this go away?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:25 am

Just have everyone bump it up the chain of command to Trump. Have him openly refuse, since he's immune to... everything.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:58 am

It started. An immigration attorney which is an US citizen got an immigration notice that said she had to leave US immediately.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:57 am

We already discussed that. The video discussed it. It was a glitch, not deporting natural born citizens.

Not that they won't try it some day, but they'll need a new excuse.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:51 am

From Timothy Snyder.

1/4. On the White House’s theory, if they abduct you, get you on a helicopter, get to international waters, shoot you in the head, and drop your corpse into the ocean, that is legal, because it is the conduct of foreign affairs.

2/4. The entire practice of the Holocaust of the Jews involved zones of statelessness. It is easier to move people away from law than it is to remove law from people. Almost all of the killing took place in artificially created stateless zones.

3/4. If we accept the idea that moving a person from one place to another undoes rights and disempowers the judiciary, we are endorsing the basic Nazism practice that enabled the killing of millions.

4/4. My book "Black Earth" was all about this. I will try to write a summary tomorrow.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:15 am

Hot Take: He had me right up until it turned out to be a shill for his book.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:59 am

Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:15 am Hot Take: He had me right up until it turned out to be a shill for his book.

I mean, he is literally a world expert on the topic. And the book came out 10 years ago.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:24 am

Holman wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:59 am
Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:15 am Hot Take: He had me right up until it turned out to be a shill for his book.
I mean, he is literally a world expert on the topic. And the book came out 10 years ago.

I see that his status as an authority on the topic might seem appealing...

I don't actually disagree with his underlying premise about where the regime is headed, but I do find his example to be very much on the sensationalist side. Shipping native born Americans off to El Salvador (or wherever) is plausible and will likely happen eventually -- Trump has literally said he wants to do it, and who's going to stop him if he gives the order? Flying them out to international waters for individual extrajudicial killings just doesn't seem practical. It's far easier to just scoop them up, ship them off to an offshore camp/disposal facility, delete the paper trail, rinse and repeat.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:29 am

The basis for doing it with immigrants (his 'national emergency') doesn't apply to natural born citizens. He may try. He may even disappear a few people. But allowing it to continue is one thing that I don't think the Supreme Court would go along with as soon as a case landed in their laps.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:36 am

It's more about Congress at this point, isn't it? If Congress refuse to reel in the GOP Administration then the Administration will ignore the court with impunity. As long as Congress abdicate their duty to uphold the Constitution and rule of law against the illegal despotism of the presidency and his claims that every thing is a national emergency (but FEMA response), then they will continue until???, won't they?

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:34 pm

Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:24 am
Holman wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:59 am
Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:15 am Hot Take: He had me right up until it turned out to be a shill for his book.
I mean, he is literally a world expert on the topic. And the book came out 10 years ago.
I see that his status as an authority on the topic might seem appealing...

I don't actually disagree with his underlying premise about where the regime is headed, but I do find his example to be very much on the sensationalist side. Shipping native born Americans off to El Salvador (or wherever) is plausible and will likely happen eventually -- Trump has literally said he wants to do it, and who's going to stop him if he gives the order? Flying them out to international waters for individual extrajudicial killings just doesn't seem practical. It's far easier to just scoop them up, ship them off to an offshore camp/disposal facility, delete the paper trail, rinse and repeat.

So basically you're disagreeing with the means (shipping people off to offshore camps vs. killing them in international waters) but not the ends, which results in virtually the same thing.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:06 pm

raydude wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:34 pm
Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:24 am
Holman wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:59 am
Max Peck wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:15 am Hot Take: He had me right up until it turned out to be a shill for his book.
I mean, he is literally a world expert on the topic. And the book came out 10 years ago.
I see that his status as an authority on the topic might seem appealing...

I don't actually disagree with his underlying premise about where the regime is headed, but I do find his example to be very much on the sensationalist side. Shipping native born Americans off to El Salvador (or wherever) is plausible and will likely happen eventually -- Trump has literally said he wants to do it, and who's going to stop him if he gives the order? Flying them out to international waters for individual extrajudicial killings just doesn't seem practical. It's far easier to just scoop them up, ship them off to an offshore camp/disposal facility, delete the paper trail, rinse and repeat.
So basically you're disagreeing with the means (shipping people off to offshore camps vs. killing them in international waters) but not the ends, which results in virtually the same thing.

This.

Snyder's point is that Nazi depersonalization of its victims involved denying them their legal rights (under a regime that still ostensibly accepted the authority of judges) by transporting them them to stateless areas where they had no rights, and that this is what we're starting to see under Trump.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:11 am

$iljanus wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:55 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:14 pm Trump administration asks Supreme Court to intervene in case of Maryland man deported to El Salvador

he Trump administration asked the Supreme Court on Monday to intervene in an ongoing legal battle over a Maryland man who was mistakenly arrested and removed to El Salvador last month.

The Justice Department's request for emergency relief from the high court comes as it faces a court-ordered 11:59 p.m. deadline to return the man, Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, to the U.S.
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e Trump administration appealed the district court's decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit and asked it to swiftly put Xinis' order requiring Abrego Garcia to be returned to the U.S. on hold.

Sauer then sought emergency relief from the Supreme Court. His request for the high court to block Xinis' decision came just before the 4th Circuit rejected the administration's request to step into the dispute.

The solicitor general, who was confirmed to the role last week, called the district court's decision "unprecedented and indefensible," and claimed the the lower courts are trying to "seize control over foreign relations, treat the Executive Branch as a subordinate diplomat, and demand that the United States let a member of a foreign terrorist organization into America tonight."

I hope they are able to get this guy released before he’s killed. And if he is it’s yet another thing this administration will get away with without any consequences.

Going to go out on a small limb and say he's probably already dead. It's why the Administration is making so many ridiculous arguments to keep him "in prison." You drop him into a prison filled with the very worst of the gangs he fled from and who have zero chance of ever getting out. All they have to lose is time in a cage with 50 other men by getting sent to solitary.

If he's not dead, the only thing keeping him alive is the brutality of CECOT.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:11 am

This is exactly what I believe as well.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:26 am

He's either dead, or he's someone's plaything who has no intention of letting him tell the story.

I suppose that there is a small chance that he's just a prisoner, but that Trump is using him as a signal of open defiance, but either way, I don't see him coming home.

disarm · Post by **disarm** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:31 pm

I'm very curious to see what happens with the Maryland senator who just traveled to El Salvador seeking to meet with Abrego-Garcia to check on his condition and discuss his release...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:45 pm

He was told he couldn't see him or visit the facility (I just read an article, but don't have the link handy.)

disarm · Post by **disarm** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:47 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:45 pm He was told he couldn't see him or visit the facility (I just read an article, but don't have the link handy.)

Unfortunately, I did have that headline pop up not long after I posted. The fact that the senators spoke with El Salvador's vice president and was told they couldn't even facilitate speaking to Abrego-Garcia over the phone is very concerning that he's safe now.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:33 am

El Salvador answers to one man only. And the "Democrats want to import rapists to eat your babies!" derp is off the scale. Immigration is the last trump plank that's still polling above water, so you better believe they're gonna take that as far as it can go.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:05 am

Kraken wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:33 am El Salvador answers to one man only. And the "Democrats want to import rapists to eat your babies!" derp is off the scale. Immigration is the last trump plank that's still polling above water, so you better believe they're gonna take that as far as it can go.

The derp is off the scale because they sense the issue slipping away from them. Dems are right to keep hammering this issue.

Escalation is all the MAGAs know, so now the Attorney General spends all day on Fox upping the claims about Kilmar Abrego Garcia, claiming yesterday that he's a "top" member of MS-13 and a terrorist who was involved in human trafficking.

The soullessness of these people is staggering.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:10 am

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:45 pm He was told he couldn't see him or visit the facility (I just read an article, but don't have the link handy.)

Which is an absolute bullshit excuse. Noem did a photo op from inside CECOT a few weeks ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/americas ... index.html

This guy is dead or severely injured.