Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:49 pm
by Smoove_B
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:43 pm
Do we know anything about how it got published?
About the doctor that submitted it:
Walach has advocated for revision of the concept of evidence-based medicine, promoting holistic and homeopathic alternatives in his publications.
So yeah, it's probably a situation where he's taking advantage of the sentiment and using the quick momentum to gather new supporters. How it got through JAMA Pediatrics, I don't know. Also from his Wiki page regarding the study:
This study was funded by a charity (MWGFD) that was founded to fight governmental pandemic protocols, and is known for promoting COVID conspiracy theories and distributing anti-vaccine flyers.
Grifters gonna grift.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:13 pm
by LordMortis
If that "charity" the Robert F. Kennedy Jr group? I heard some interviews with scientists they were trying to dup (and some of which they did) for their "documentary" and it was pretty mindblowing, the levels at which they'll sink to. Barring, misrepresenting who they are, spending hours getting details so they can pull a 10 second clip and then citing these professionals as prominent sourcing to support their findings, nuts.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:27 pm
by malchior
Were you aware Walach had two studies retracted this month? He also somehow got a peer reviewed piece through
in Vaccines. This talks about the retraction. Obviously we now should be looking at the editorial process in two journals to figure out what the fuck is happening here.
The peer reviewed article, “The Safety of Covid-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy,” misinterpreted data to conclude that “for three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.”1
Katie Ewer, an immunologist at the Jenner Institute at Oxford University, who resigned from Vaccines’ editorial board after publication of the article, wrote on Twitter, “It is grossly negligent and I can’t believe it passed peer review.”
None of the article’s three authors has a background in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. They are Harald Walach, a clinical psychologist and health researcher at Poznan University of Medical Sciences in Poland, who studies homeopathy and complementary medicine; Rainer Klement, a medical physicist who studies ketogenic diets in cancer treatment at the Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany; and Wouter Aukema, an independent data scientist in Hoenderloo, Netherlands.
The three are also coauthors of a paper just published in JAMA Pediatrics questioning the safety of masks in children.2
Edit: I also just saw that when this article was published he was canned by Poznan summarily on June 30th due to the furor it got in pre-print.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
President Joe Biden on Friday said social media platforms such as Facebook (FB.O) "are killing people" after the White House continued criticizing the company for allowing misinformation about coronavirus vaccines to be posted on its platform.
"They’re killing people. Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. And they’re killing people," Biden told reporters when asked about misinformation and what his message was to social media platforms such as Facebook.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki earlier on Friday also criticized the company.
"Obviously there are steps they have taken. They're a private sector company. There are additional steps they can take. It's clear that there are more that can be taken," she said at a White House briefing.
I expect the usual suspects to spin this into an anti-Biden mountain over the weekend.
EDIT: Just seeing that the White House is also reporting that Florida is contributing 1 in 5 of the new COVID cases at this point. I mean, really.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:07 pm
by malchior
pr0ner wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:50 pm
Los Angeles County is reimposing an indoor mask mandate at 11:59 PM on Saturday.
COVID-19 vaccination rates among U.S. nursing home workers continue to lag nationwide, with only 1 in 5 facilities hitting an industry target of getting 75 percent of their health care staff fully vaccinated, a new AARP analysis of government data shows. A handful of states have especially low vaccination rates among both staff and residents.
Nationally, 56 percent of nursing home workers are fully vaccinated. But in Louisiana, just 41 percent of workers are, representing the lowest staff vaccination rate of any state or territory, the analysis finds. In Florida, home to over 700 nursing homes, only 42 percent of workers are fully vaccinated.
What does this mean?
AARP's analysis, released Thursday, also shows that COVID-19 cases and deaths in nursing homes are continuing to decline to all-time lows. Yet the newly released vaccination rates — which the federal government only required nursing homes to publicly report starting in June — are a new cause for alarm, says AARP's Susan Reinhard, senior vice president and director of the AARP Public Policy Institute.
"They show we've not passed the threat of COVID to nursing home residents,” she says. “In some states, the situation is really, really serious — there are just not enough people vaccinated, particularly as this delta variant takes off.”
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:07 pm
by Daehawk
I couldn't wear my mask today in stores. I tried. The first one I got a severe tickle in my throat from it. I coughed and coughed and it would not go away. If I forced myself not to cough then my eyes started pouring tears it was so bad. Removed the mask and it was fine.
Tried it again in the 2nd store same problem but not as bad. Also my face just gets wet in that mask now. I was sweating pigs anyways and it didn't help. Just couldn't wear one today. Hate it because I dont want to get sick but if I cant take it I cant.
I think Im just going to have to get another cloth mask that doesn't work great instead of these KN95 ones.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Bolded huh?!? What a name for the group. A quick Google search leads me to believe a Koch type plutocrat must be behind this.
CNN wrote:"A ruling from the federal court has affirmed Indiana University's COVID-19 vaccination plan designed for the health and well-being of our students, faculty and staff," IU said. "We appreciate the quick and thorough ruling which allows us to focus on a full and safe return. We look forward to welcoming everyone to our campuses for the fall semester."
James Bopp Jr., the lead attorney for the plaintiffs and the director of litigation for America's Frontline Doctors, said they planned to appeal.
"Today's ruling does not end the students' fight—we plan to immediately appeal the judge's decision," Bopp said in a statement. "In addition, we plan on asking the judge to put a hold on IU's Mandate pending that appeal. We are confident the court of appeals will agree that the Mandate should be put on hold."
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:29 pm
by Zaxxon
Matches the typical rule of the name suggesting something at direct odds with the group's actual purpose.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
I'm actually a bit surprised the R^2 isn't higher. That figure begs the question: what is going on in the outlier counties?
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:49 pm
by malchior
A quick read also shows the founder of America's Frontline Doctors is Simone Gold who is an emergency room physician who was charged in the Capitol riot. She is tied to hydroxychloroquine advocacy and anti-vaccines. A real prize to medicine in other words.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:54 pm
by malchior
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:48 pmI'm actually a bit surprised the R^2 isn't higher. That figure begs the question: what is going on in the outlier counties?
That number actually sounds right to me - human behavior driven R^2 analyses rarely exceed "50%". What'd be *really interesting* is adding in more independent variables and seeing which ones influence the 'label' (vaccine or no vaccine) most. If only I had the time.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
I'm actually a bit surprised the R^2 isn't higher. That figure begs the question: what is going on in the outlier counties?
Probably red counties in blue states and vice versa.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:44 am
by Blackhawk
And the school COVID plan has been published. Masks are optional (which means no masks), 3' "social distancing" will be in place, and if you're exposed you have to quarantine for ten days.
I wish I could say I was surprised. My only consolation is that in another ten months I'll never have to think about that school again.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:37 am
by Defiant
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:12 pm
by malchior
I don't recommend reading the comments on that Youtube video if you don't want to have to make a roll for sanity.
Edit: Also, I can't help but this is just the GOP winning on politics. Rand and the GOP are all curb stomping on Fauci all over social media right now to massive cheering. It's hopeless to reason with these people. I can't help but think we are marching into real darkness here.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:20 pm
by Daehawk
As a country we should be ashamed of the stupidity of the folks leading our country. Unfortunately a lot of our fellow citizens put those idiots there and continue to love them today. Sickening how stupid and evil our country leaders are and the rot that half of our citizens are.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:14 pm
by Smoove_B
malchior wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:12 pm
I can't help but think we are marching into real darkness here.
I made the mistake of reading the comments to an NBC News tweet yesterday regarding the AAP recommendation that all children are masked for the 2021 school start. If only half of them were legitimate people, we're all in for a bad ride.
I am reminded of a quote I saw recently and it's really made me think about the people in my community.
Be careful who you let on your ship, because some people will sink the whole ship just because they can't be the captain.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
A Michigan school says requiring students to wear masks in classrooms would violate “sincerely held religious beliefs” because they say humans were made in the image of God, and masks shield that image from being seen.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:58 pm
by Isgrimnur
Ah, religion. Letting people do whatever they want by making shit up since forever.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 pm
by El Guapo
So what I'm hearing is that requiring students to wear clothes is unconstitutional.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:12 pm
by Zaxxon
isn't being unseen the core aspect of God?
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
used to be pro-science myself. I only became an anti-science activist after realizing how much of my dream-interpretation-based worldview was incompatible with what I was reading in scientific journals. Since then, I have become a fierce activist. I make passionate arguments against the so-called “scientific method” (it’s just making guesses) and the value of peer-reviewed studies (excuse me for wanting to think for myself!). When my children ask me why the sky is blue, I tell them the truth. That there’s no way to find out.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
A Michigan school says requiring students to wear masks in classrooms would violate “sincerely held religious beliefs” because they say humans were made in the image of God, and masks shield that image from being seen.
So, I'm assuming that because football helmets have masks, they have no football program? And that the religion also prevents them from working in Hospitals or being Doctors? Firefighters? Welders?...
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
You need to watch the whole thing and not skip to 3 minutes. Senator Paul may be a douche (sorry to insult feminine hygiene products), but he does have a point. Fauci is doing a dance here. Paul has been riding Fauci for months and it's getting old, but a broken clock is right a couple of times.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:40 pm
by malchior
Fauci isn't doing any dance. Rand starts out by implying that Fauci was lying to Congress. (Aka grandstanding) Then he picks out an argument from one paper that defines the activity at Wuhan as Gain of Function (one opinion). It is disputed by other experts such as Alina Chan (see below). Fauci then talks through how the paper at issue was analyzed by NIH and said they don't agree with the definition. That isn't dancing. That's explaining. Moreso Fauci zoned right in on what Rand was actually doing and has done repeatedly which is is mis-frame this argument using cherrypicked data - in this case a cherrypicked opinion from someone who is not acting in any official capacity under oversight. It's bullshit but it works because people don't bother to actually pay attention.
Edit: Note the date on the below. This isn't new information. Paul knows what he is doing here.
Several state health departments told STAT they have repeatedly asked the federal government to redistribute their supply to other countries, many of which are facing a third wave of the Covid-19 pandemic. Officials in Washington have rejected those requests, citing legal and logistical challenges.
“We’re drowning in this stuff,” said Robert Ator, a retired colonel in the Arkansas Air National Guard who is leading that state’s Covid-19 vaccine distribution drive. “It’s starting to get a bit silly and we want to make sure we’re being good stewards.”
Some of the wastage could be forestalled if U.S. health officials extend the shelf life of the vaccine developed by Pfizer, but such expiration dates can only be extended so far.
The idea that these vaccines are sitting around while the virus is rampaging in different parts of the globe because they don't have access is beyond depressing.
I'm telling you - 100 years from now historians from around the globe are not going to understand what the F happened here in America.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:02 pm
by Zaxxon
Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:59 pm
I'm telling you - 100 years from now historians from around the globe are not going to understand what the F happened here in America.
Also, like, now.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:03 pm
by hepcat
Someone send up the Randsneighborman signal. He’s the silent avenger we all need.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:09 pm
by Blackhawk
Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:59 pm
I'm telling you - 100 years from now historians from around the globe are not going to understand what the F happened here in America.
If they aren't living in a post-climate Mad Max wildland, they'll be working for the state.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:59 pm
I'm telling you - 100 years from now historians from around the globe are not going to understand what the F happened here in America.
Also, like, now.
I'm starting to entertain the idea that democracy isn't up to the challenge and might not be worth saving.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:32 pm
by Isgrimnur
Unfortunately the track record for Benevolent Dictator isn't so great.
Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:54 pm
by Smoove_B
Kraken wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 pm
I'm starting to entertain the idea that democracy isn't up to the challenge and might not be worth saving.
I am thinking our legacy will be to serve as an example of what happens when a significant portion of a society values personal liberty above everything else.