That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
When they’re “President for Life” and don’t have to worry about upcoming elections.Unagi wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:52 am When will a president ever get the confidence to admit, during a “State of the Union” address, that ‘we have never been weaker as a nation than we are now’.
I think both sides would appreciate the honesty.
It'll never happen, because the country will always have one big thing going for it - it'll have the best person as president, and not that loser from the other side or the last president from the other side.Unagi wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:52 am When will a president ever get the confidence to admit, during a “State of the Union” address, that ‘we have never been weaker as a nation than we are now’.
So, Biden in a couple years ?Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:27 pmWhen they’re “President for Life” and don’t have to worry about upcoming elections.Unagi wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:52 am When will a president ever get the confidence to admit, during a “State of the Union” address, that ‘we have never been weaker as a nation than we are now’.
I think both sides would appreciate the honesty.
Honestly, because that's false that we are weaker than ever. We are arguably a stronger nation in terms of world power than we ever have been.Unagi wrote:When will a president ever get the confidence to admit, during a “State of the Union” address, that ‘we have never been weaker as a nation than we are now’.
I think both sides would appreciate the honesty.
I totally disagree.Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:09 pmUnagi wrote:When will a president ever get the confidence to admit, during a “State of the Union” address, that ‘we have never been weaker as a nation than we are now’.
We are arguably a stronger nation in terms of world power than we ever have been.
OK - hello - just a little reality check... it's about time to stop comparing ourselves to a version of ourselves that is now 150-175 years in our past.Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:09 pm However, our UNION is not as strong as it has been and is fraying. Yet, it is still nowhere near as disunified as it had been during other eras of our history (see 1850's - 1880's as one example).
Our power was our influence.Blackhawk wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:08 pm We still have a lot of power. Exactly how much compared to (whenever) would be hard to quantify, but we still have power.
What we've lost is influence.
And alongside influence, trust and respect.
/edit - and before someone throws it back in my face, yeah - I know that influence is power.
Our influence is part of our power. As is our economy, our military, our industry (although that was sliding long before recent events), our innovation, our natural resources (including the amount of space we have), our allies, our leadership, control, and reach which we never let go of following WWII, our ideals, our leadership and probably a laundry list of other things.
Assuming, and it's a big assuming, Trump does not win, one has to wonder how long the US knows we might reverse ourselves after any given election, much less the world.Kraken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:16 am the world now knows that we might reverse ourselves after any given election.
The US Secret Service is investigating after cocaine was found at the White House on Sunday night.
The discovery in the West Wing, which contains the Oval Office and other working areas for presidential aides and staff, led to a brief evacuation.
Secret Service agents found the suspicious powder in an area that is accessible to tour groups while doing a routine inspection.
President Joe Biden and his family were at Camp David in Maryland at the time.
A senior law enforcement official told the BBC's US partner CBS News the substance was found in a storage facility routinely used by White House staff and guests to store mobile phones.
The White House complex was closed as a precaution around 20:45 local time (00:45 GMT) on Sunday after it was discovered.
A preliminary test later confirmed the substance was cocaine.
I completely disagree, in part because the forces fraying our Union are *very* similar to those at the time.Unagi wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:24 pmOK - hello - just a little reality check... it's about time to stop comparing ourselves to a version of ourselves that is now 150-175 years in our past.Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:09 pm However, our UNION is not as strong as it has been and is fraying. Yet, it is still nowhere near as disunified as it had been during other eras of our history (see 1850's - 1880's as one example).
Every "State" of the "Union" address loves to say, literally; "The State of the Union has NEVER been stronger!"... and if nothing else, it was actually stronger 30 years ago (for random instance).
What's the most likely (non-crazy) explanation for this? Guessing that some staffer(s) was using the spot as a (relatively?) isolated spot to do cocaine.Max Peck wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:11 am This should provide some good conspiracy fodder.
Cocaine found in White House sparks brief evacuationThe US Secret Service is investigating after cocaine was found at the White House on Sunday night.
The discovery in the West Wing, which contains the Oval Office and other working areas for presidential aides and staff, led to a brief evacuation.
Secret Service agents found the suspicious powder in an area that is accessible to tour groups while doing a routine inspection.
President Joe Biden and his family were at Camp David in Maryland at the time.
A senior law enforcement official told the BBC's US partner CBS News the substance was found in a storage facility routinely used by White House staff and guests to store mobile phones.
The White House complex was closed as a precaution around 20:45 local time (00:45 GMT) on Sunday after it was discovered.
A preliminary test later confirmed the substance was cocaine.
Well, it could be left over from the Bush Cocaine addicts support group...Octavious wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:46 pm Obviously it's Hunter. Hell I heard my coworker blame the sub search on trying to distract from Hunter courts cases. I just walked away so that I didn't get myself fired.
Yeah I don't think it's the most likely explanation, but it's not crazy to think (depending on the circumstances of where exactly the cocaine was found and in what condition) that it could've been an old stash of Hunter's.Pyperkub wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:56 pmWell, it could be left over from the Bush Cocaine addicts support group...Octavious wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:46 pm Obviously it's Hunter. Hell I heard my coworker blame the sub search on trying to distract from Hunter courts cases. I just walked away so that I didn't get myself fired.
On the other hand, we know he seems to prefer CrackEl Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:00 pmYeah I don't think it's the most likely explanation, but it's not crazy to think (depending on the circumstances of where exactly the cocaine was found and in what condition) that it could've been an old stash of Hunter's.Pyperkub wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:56 pmWell, it could be left over from the Bush Cocaine addicts support group...Octavious wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:46 pm Obviously it's Hunter. Hell I heard my coworker blame the sub search on trying to distract from Hunter courts cases. I just walked away so that I didn't get myself fired.
The article mentions that the area is accessible to tour groups, so pretty much any staffer or visitor might have left it there. If it's where people leave their cellphones before going through a physical security screening process, someone may have realized they had it on them and surreptitiously dumped it there so that it wouldn't be found if they were searched or had to empty out their pockets on the way in.El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:37 pm What's the most likely (non-crazy) explanation for this? Guessing that some staffer(s) was using the spot as a (relatively?) isolated spot to do cocaine.
Sleepy Joe the coke-head? Hmm, yeah that tracks.Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:35 pm Nevertheless, the gray-matter challenged will try to paint this as Biden is a drug crazed zombie being propped up by evil white powder. I don't even have to verify.
Literally Sleepy, given the CPAP!coopasonic wrote:Sleepy Joe the coke-head? Hmm, yeah that tracks.Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:35 pm Nevertheless, the gray-matter challenged will try to paint this as Biden is a drug crazed zombie being propped up by evil white powder. I don't even have to verify.
Won't it be a Hunter visit to White House that Biden is personally covering up?Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:35 pm Nevertheless, the gray-matter challenged will try to paint this as Biden is a drug crazed zombie being propped up by evil white powder. I don't even have to verify.
In Gay Nightclubs apparently (per today's Trump family member cheating on his wife news....)Alefroth wrote:I thought Hunter was a crack smoker. Don Jr. is the railer.
IIRC, Hungary and Turkey are both bent out of shape because Sweden has criticized them in the recent past over things like human rights. Additionally, what Sweden sees as Kurdish political refugees, Turkey sees as Kurdish terrorists.El Guapo wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:23 am That's unfortunate.
So why is Sweden getting caught up when Finland didn't? Are Hungary + Turkey just demanding more ransom payments for Sweden than they did for Finland?
I agree with all of this.Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:36 pm Regarding Hungary and Turkey's unwillingness to allow Sweden into NATO, how about this solution: What if the US or EU simply created another alliance, we'll call it NATO II, and got all the NATO nations, other than Hungary and Turkey, to join it. That way, if Sweden was attacked, all of NATO except for Hungary and Turkey, could rush to their defense under the NATO II treaty.
Yes, I know it sounds stupid and gimmicky, but would it work? I really feel sorry for the Swedes, since they stuck their neck out to try and join NATO, and now have angered the Russians, who seem willing to do whatever they want nowadays. I would have a lot more respect for Hungary and Turkey's positions if they weren't so obviously authoritarian, pro-Putin governments. And if they got pissed over the creation of a NATO II, and threatened to leave NATO, I would simply tell them "don't let the door hit you on the way out".
Seriously, we can't let these two nations whose agendas currently run counter to NATO's core values continue to cripple NATO's ability to expand. Furthermore, I believe if NATO were drawn into a conflict against Russia they would both be dubious allies at best. I really feel that we need to come up with some way to get around these two, and the sooner the better.
For the most part "NATO II: the NATO-ening" would not be practical. For one, presumably it would require treaty ratification by the relevant countries. One part of our ongoing political breakdown is that we can't reliably ratify even the most uncontroversial treaties (because that requires a 2/3rds vote in the Senate). And that's setting aside whether there would be any ratification problems in other countries.Unagi wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:06 amI agree with all of this.Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:36 pm Regarding Hungary and Turkey's unwillingness to allow Sweden into NATO, how about this solution: What if the US or EU simply created another alliance, we'll call it NATO II, and got all the NATO nations, other than Hungary and Turkey, to join it. That way, if Sweden was attacked, all of NATO except for Hungary and Turkey, could rush to their defense under the NATO II treaty.
Yes, I know it sounds stupid and gimmicky, but would it work? I really feel sorry for the Swedes, since they stuck their neck out to try and join NATO, and now have angered the Russians, who seem willing to do whatever they want nowadays. I would have a lot more respect for Hungary and Turkey's positions if they weren't so obviously authoritarian, pro-Putin governments. And if they got pissed over the creation of a NATO II, and threatened to leave NATO, I would simply tell them "don't let the door hit you on the way out".
Seriously, we can't let these two nations whose agendas currently run counter to NATO's core values continue to cripple NATO's ability to expand. Furthermore, I believe if NATO were drawn into a conflict against Russia they would both be dubious allies at best. I really feel that we need to come up with some way to get around these two, and the sooner the better.