Lynching Liaisons - The End

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:16 am

Remus West wrote:and you people blamed me for the lack of action the last few days?

My vote has been placed and the reason given. Nothing Remus West revealed changes the vote or the reason. To those not voting, yet, why not El Guapo?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:56 am

The goal's to kill a hound of hell.
El Guapo's fangs will do quite well.
Burma Shave.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:21 am

El Guapo

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:32 am

It's a good test.

El Guapo

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:11 am

I am game for this as well..

El Guapo

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:29 am

N-2 warning

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:48 am

El Guapo

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:11 am

Day 3 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 9

Against El Guapo (8) - theohall, Grundbegriff, Unagi, LordMortis, tru1cy, Lagom, RMC, pr0ner
Against Grund (1) - Vorret

No votes (8) - Remus West, Lassr, Purge, Scoop20906, Chaosraven, redrun, triggercut, El Guapo

There are 14 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 1st at 11am Eastern time.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:15 am

I could put El Guapo in the hangman's noose. However...

grundbegruff

feels like a better test today to me.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:38 am

Linoge Census

Remus West - Seer
Lassr - ?
Vorret - ?
tru1cy - Cabal
RMC - ?
Purge - Villager
Grundbegriff - ?
pr0ner - ?
Scoop20906 - ?
Chaosraven - Villager
theohall - Cabal
redrun - Mental(ist)
triggercut - Medium
Lagom Lite - Cabal
Unagi - Villager
LordMortis - ?
El Guapo - ?

9 of 17 Known
3 wolves in the other 8

El Guapo

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:42 am

Remus West wrote:Linoge Census

Remus West - Seer
Lassr - ?
Vorret - ?
tru1cy - Cabal
RMC - ?
Purge - Villager
Grundbegriff - ?
pr0ner - ?
Scoop20906 - ?
Chaosraven - Villager
theohall - Cabal
redrun - Mental(ist)
triggercut - Medium
Lagom Lite - Cabal
Unagi - Villager
LordMortis - ?
El Guapo - ?

9 of 17 Known
3 wolves in the other 8

El Guapo

If you are good, why do you keep doing this?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:46 am

Voting is Closed!

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 9

Against El Guapo (9) - theohall, Grundbegriff, Unagi, LordMortis, tru1cy, Lagom, RMC, pr0ner, Remus West
Against Grund (2) - Vorret, Scoop

No votes (6) - Lassr, Purge, Chaosraven, redrun, triggercut, El Guapo

There are 14 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 1st at 11am Eastern time.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:00 am

Maybe hurt you

Grundbegriff
Lassr
Vorret
RMC
pr0ner
Scoop20906
LordMortis
El Guapo[/quote]

Heh, so hey guys, what's up?

Anyhow, doubt I'm going to convince the group here of my innocence, but it's helpful to at least post some thoughts for you to go over after I'm gone. First off, unless I'm missing something I think it beyond dispute that if Remus is not the seer, the real seer ought to come forward. It's possible that either a true seer is out there but shy, OR that bb was the seer but decided not to contest yesterday, but that seems unlikely (and if bb was the Cabal will probably reveal that tomorrow). So I'm operating from the assumption that Remus is the seer.

Anyhow, going from the above Maybe Hurt You list:

pr0ner - most likely human out of the group IMO. He's focused on me in a way that I don't think a wolf would. Plus his irritation at my proposal to wait on Bakhtosh feels pretty genuine.

Mortis - Probably the second most likely human (which means that in truth he's probably the most likely wolf

). Reads as genuine and helpful to me.

Grundbegriff - one of my higher suspects right now. Sorting through the poetry I don't really see a whole lot of probative analysis. He's been focused on me since yesterday, but I haven't seen a particularly interesting reason from him as to why.

Scoop20906 - also one of my higher suspects (although voting for Grund right now). Seems indifferent and not all that helpful. But the question to me is whether he's just a villager who has lost some interest in the game.

Lassr
Vorret
RMC - these three I'm on the fence about. Vorret seems to be the highest on people's suspect lists among the three. Honestly I should probably go back and look at posts from these three and see what stands out. Gun to my head (which it kind of is) I'd say Lassr? But honestly that's not based on much.

El Guapo - self authenticating

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:01 am

And oh hey, I'm dead! At the "being manipulated by wolves" game, you win.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:13 am

El Guapo wrote:And oh hey, I'm dead! At the "being manipulated by wolves" game, you win.

Spoiler:

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:14 am

The group did not see much need for discussion. El Guapo was the choice and all dissent was ignored. Silently, El Guapo took his place, closed his eyes, and Remus kicked the chair once more. The sun removed remarkably quickly and the town was surprised to see nothing more than a decaying corpse as the last ray vanished behind the trees.

El Guapo was a Villager!

Boilerplate -
Mentalist - will you communicate with someone?
Werewolf Hunter - will you protect someone?
Sorcerer - what question do you seek an answer to?
Seer - on whom will you concentrate the Third Eye?
Cabalists - whom will you examine? The darkness has unlocked the Hidden Crypt once more.
Werewolves - who looks tasty?

Edit: Deadline for orders is Friday, June 21th at 10pm Eastern. Daybreak will not occur before Friday, June 21th at 4am Eastern.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:26 am

Can someone confirm remus is the seer ?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:29 am

redrun wrote:
Remus West wrote:Linoge Census

Remus West - Seer
Lassr - ?
Vorret - ?
tru1cy - Cabal
RMC - ?
Purge - Villager
Grundbegriff - ?
pr0ner - ?
Scoop20906 - ?
Chaosraven - Villager
theohall - Cabal
redrun - Mental(ist)
triggercut - Medium
Lagom Lite - Cabal
Unagi - Villager
LordMortis - ?
El Guapo - ?

9 of 17 Known
3 wolves in the other 8

El Guapo

If you are good, why do you keep doing this?

this, +1000

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:34 am

Remus is the Seer.

Three wolves hiding amongst:

Grundbegriff
pr0ner
Vorret
Scoop
Lassr
RMC
LordMortis

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:49 am

Unagi wrote:Here is what I feel:

Vorret - I've gone back and forth on Vorret. Not sure. He only finds Grund to be potentially wolfy, which if you are looking for wolves, shouldn't be the case.

Maybe I'm right.
Maybe I've been right all along!

At least I'm not constantly voting off villagers

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:50 am

triggercut wrote:Remus is the Seer.

Three wolves hiding amongst:

Grundbegriff
pr0ner
Vorret
Scoop
Lassr
RMC
LordMortis

And you know this how exactly? We haven't had a sceance.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:56 am

triggercut wrote:Remus is the Seer.

Three wolves hiding amongst:

Grundbegriff
pr0ner
Vorret
Scoop
Lassr
RMC
LordMortis

I'd just like to say to any living non-Remus Seer out there: If you're staying quiet you're not helping.

We have to assume Remus is who he says he is until he's contested by living players or Cabal scans. But I really want to urge people not to put anyone else at n-1, because apparently giving players the chance to claim Hunter is not something Remus thinks we should do.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:08 am

Did I not include the numbers showing it doesn't matter? I realize that you guys are all paranoid regarding me being or not being Seer but this is why I was and am so confused that the wolves did not even try to get myself or triggercut last night - the game was already over when we both lived through the night. It doesn't mater if El Guapo was the Hunter or not. He was in the portion of players containing the wolves which is less than half the remaining players. Being less than half the remaining players means the wolves do not have enough room to hide. The village has this game won and there is nothing they can do to change it. Even if we miss on each of the remaining non-wolves in that group we will still control the vote going into the end game and be able to lynch the remaining wolves while having a known non-wolf remaining. Hell, if the Hunter is alive and would like to shoot one of those non-wolves in the face tomorrow to prove himself then the pool for them to hide in gets even smaller and the game goes that much more quickly.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:56 am

Remus West wrote:Did I not include the numbers showing it doesn't matter? I realize that you guys are all paranoid regarding me being or not being Seer but this is why I was and am so confused that the wolves did not even try to get myself or triggercut last night - the game was already over when we both lived through the night. It doesn't mater if El Guapo was the Hunter or not. He was in the portion of players containing the wolves which is less than half the remaining players. Being less than half the remaining players means the wolves do not have enough room to hide. The village has this game won and there is nothing they can do to change it. Even if we miss on each of the remaining non-wolves in that group we will still control the vote going into the end game and be able to lynch the remaining wolves while having a known non-wolf remaining. Hell, if the Hunter is alive and would like to shoot one of those non-wolves in the face tomorrow to prove himself then the pool for them to hide in gets even smaller and the game goes that much more quickly.

This is all true if you are the seer. If you are not the seer, you really would want folks to die without a final say so as to kill the hunter or real seer. So, you keep asking that we trust you as you continue to make moves that look evil. Normally the wolves can make a seer look guilty by not killing him - you seem determined to do the wolves job for them.

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:22 pm

Did our seer just "Scoop" two days in a row?

Remus! We're 2 failures down, with no comments from villagers who've gone to the gallows. QUIT IT. Hell, I think we should hold at N-2 just so Remus can't off people.

This is going to end up in Remucide - I can feel it.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:32 pm

You're all responsible.
I called N-2 and you guys still continued the train , the only one not completely crazy are me and Scoop who voted for Grund.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:39 pm

redrun wrote:
Remus West wrote:Did I not include the numbers showing it doesn't matter? I realize that you guys are all paranoid regarding me being or not being Seer but this is why I was and am so confused that the wolves did not even try to get myself or triggercut last night - the game was already over when we both lived through the night. It doesn't mater if El Guapo was the Hunter or not. He was in the portion of players containing the wolves which is less than half the remaining players. Being less than half the remaining players means the wolves do not have enough room to hide. The village has this game won and there is nothing they can do to change it. Even if we miss on each of the remaining non-wolves in that group we will still control the vote going into the end game and be able to lynch the remaining wolves while having a known non-wolf remaining. Hell, if the Hunter is alive and would like to shoot one of those non-wolves in the face tomorrow to prove himself then the pool for them to hide in gets even smaller and the game goes that much more quickly.
This is all true if you are the seer. If you are not the seer, you really would want folks to die without a final say so as to kill the hunter or real seer. So, you keep asking that we trust you as you continue to make moves that look evil. Normally the wolves can make a seer look guilty by not killing him - you seem determined to do the wolves job for them.

Yep. As it goes Guap, cheated (probably not intentionally) by talking after Stess posted voting is closed but for all we know, at this point BB2112 was the seer and was holding his tongue and the only to find out would be seance him. I don't think I'll be alive at the end but if it came down to it and trig dies tonight, I'd be tempted to lynch remus before this game is over. That he can't see the problem with his actions for two days in a row or he dodging around his play is a taunt.

I still don't get the Q kill... Unless the wolves were hunting for a seer giving them both bb2112 and Q as a hope that the seer is/was out there holding their tongue... Which makes remus look even more evil.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:43 pm

purge wrote:Did our seer just "Scoop" two days in a row?

Remus! We're 2 failures down, with no comments from villagers who've gone to the gallows. QUIT IT. Hell, I think we should hold at N-2 just so Remus can't off people.

This is going to end up in Remucide - I can feel it.

I think it's too late for that. The dead are already a problem that can't be helped. But whatever happens there is no way I'd trust Remus until the end of the game. I'd double do the math of "What if Remus is lying"

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Sceance BB

I'm curious and this would clear my mind on whether Remus is a bad seer or a very clever wolf.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:33 pm

Just so everyone know we are having a bit of a debate on whom to scan...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:39 pm

If that's a request for input; I would say we should learn what the wolves know. They don't know anything about bb2112 right now, but they do know what Qantaga was. Obviously we want to know both, but we won't be able to catch up on autopsies until they kill one of the uncontested specials.

that's my opinion.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:45 pm

It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:46 pm

read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:27 pm

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga

I sure am. Either of them could have been sitting on the Seer (or Hunter) roles, but the wolves already know about Qantaga, and would love to hear about BB2112.

What's the logic to scan BB2112 over Qantaga?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:39 pm

Unagi wrote:
Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga
I sure am. Either of them could have been sitting on the Seer (or Hunter) roles, but the wolves already know about Qantaga, and would love to hear about BB2112.

What's the logic to scan BB2112 over Qantaga?

Well I'm curious as to why Remus killed BB before he had a chance to talk.
Also his "scan" have not been verified by anyone, for all we know, you could be a wolf.

Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:54 pm

Vorret wrote:Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?

Remus has been at the center of these crazy what if's before and has been evil in the middle of them before. He should know better than causing what if problems especially when he is at the center of them. That's why I'd only give him the benefit of the doubt having made this mistake twice until the math doesn't make sense.

Of course if it all goes to hell, I'd also blame bb2112 if he was sitting on seer and didn't say anything before hand.

I also concur with Unagi that you have to scan Q. Even if both he and remus were wolves, the play makes the most sense. You can't let the wolves have information the village does not.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:00 pm

Vorret wrote:Well I'm curious as to why Remus killed BB before he had a chance to talk.
Also his "scan" have not been verified by anyone, for all we know, you could be a wolf.

Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?

Vorret, I would like to think that everyone is considering the conspiracy theory. But that doesn't then lend any logic to scanning BB2112.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:04 pm

Remus West wrote:The village has this game won and there is nothing they can do to change it.

That may be. But why can't we shoot for a flawless victory? A sound trouncing? Why must we let the wolves kill half the village before we find them and, while we're at it, help them out by lynching the Hunter?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:51 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Remus West wrote:The village has this game won and there is nothing they can do to change it.
That may be. But why can't we shoot for a flawless victory? A sound trouncing? Why must we let the wolves kill half the village before we find them and, while we're at it, help them out by lynching the Hunter?

This. But I am pretty sure that El Guapo was not the hunter.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:24 pm

triggercut wrote:Remus is the Seer.

Three wolves hiding amongst:

Grundbegriff
pr0ner
Vorret
Scoop
Lassr
RMC
LordMortis

I wonder if my gut is right.