The Former Trump Presidency Thread

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Unless it's coming out of someone like Shep Smith or Chris Wallace, I'm not going to put a lot of stock in something someone on Fox News says.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:30 pm

So y'know those 1,000 Eagles fans who were there to adore El Presidente? Slate is saying that they looked suspiciously like White House and Congressional interns.

As you can see above, the crowd at the rally—which involved the president standing on stage and mouthing some, but not all, of the words to songs like “God Bless America”—did not resemble your typical football spirit gathering. One Philadelphia-area TV reporter who attended wrote on Twitter that he found only one person wearing Eagles gear and none that could name the team’s starting Super Bowl quarterback. (The York Daily Record did interview two Pennsylvania business owners on their way to the event, of whom at least one appears to be a Republican donor.)

Fake event or fake news? You decide!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:37 pm

Yeah, I thought about posting the reporter who talked to numerous "Eagles fans" who couldn't name the QB, but it seemed like overkill.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1004080630337073154

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:44 pm

Alefroth wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:56 pm
Unagi wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:00 pm Because prominent Eagles support taking a knee, Trump has disinvited the Superbowl champions from the traditional White House visit.

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/ ... 4046417920

I have lived in Philadelphia for 17 years, but as a polite Southerner I have always had some misgivings about the city's style.

No longer. I've never been more proud to be a Philly guy. Fuck this White House.
Seriously!

And - what a remarkably WRONG position for that WH memo to proclaim.
"They disagree with their President because he insists that they proudly stand for the...."

W hat
T he
F uck

Clearly this administration stand for NOTHING if not TOTAL ALLEGIANCE. It blatant and should be terrifying to everyone. Could you imagine a White House ever saying the words "They disagree with their Presidenct" as a prelude TO ANY THING.

WHAT THE FUCK!
Man I hope some of those fans take a knee.

I salute you, sir.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:48 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:37 pm Yeah, I thought about posting the reporter who talked to numerous "Eagles fans" who couldn't name the QB, but it seemed like overkill.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1004080630337073154

I'm not sure unable to remember is entirely accurate.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:04 pm

Alefroth wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:44 pm I salute you, sir.

One the link to the second man kneeling

This picture is so white

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:07 pm

Remus West wrote:I can not see the player in that picture because they are wearing some hue that is above my clearance level. My humble appologies computer.

You know, I am leaving an extra hour free for these memes. Kneeling is treason. Clapping is mandatory.

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:20 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:01 pm

The whole "FOX is too incompetent to get the story right" is fun, but I don't think it's accurate. They are intentionally trying to sway opinion and influence policy. The fact that they have been overwhelmingly successful attests to their competence. Have to go with malice.

I don't think they are too incompetent, I think all of the news, especially the cable news networks, rush stories and have cut back on things like fact checkers. A few minutes of double checking would have kept them from screwing up this one.

But I do like to assume people aren't evil.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:24 pm

Fitzy wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:20 pm But I do like to assume people aren't evil.

"People" is one thing. Rupert Murdoch is another.

Jolor · Post by **Jolor** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:30 pm

Alefroth wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:48 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:37 pm Yeah, I thought about posting the reporter who talked to numerous "Eagles fans" who couldn't name the QB, but it seemed like overkill.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1004080630337073154
I'm not sure unable to remember is entirely accurate.

"Happy Dictatorship to Me, Happy Dictatorship to Me. Happy Dictatorship! Happy Dictatorship! Happy Dictatorship! Happy Dictatorship to Meeeee!" Bring me the Lights of Freedom so I can blow them out!

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:38 pm

It really does cry out for Bad Lip Reading.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:55 am

Holman wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:37 pm Yeah, I thought about posting the reporter who talked to numerous "Eagles fans" who couldn't name the QB, but it seemed like overkill.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1004080630337073154

Friday night, tlr's brother and his wife, both Orthodox, had us over for Shabbat dinner. They gave us prayer books with all the bruchas printed phonetically, so we could say them as well.

I looked like Drumpf in that video - trying to follow some people saying words I didn't understand, and saying them too quickly.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:19 am

Time to bring back the Bellamy Salute.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:32 am

What about all the D-Day veterans, dead or alive, that appreciate what Trump has done for them?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:09 pm

Presidential Health Advisor, everyone!

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1004437 ... 34016?s=19

GungHo · Post by **GungHo** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:42 am

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:09 pm Presidential Health Advisor, everyone!

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1004437 ... 34016?s=19

Wait....he's serious!?! I think his 'MD' stands for 'major doofus'. Shameful.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:01 am

I think he was born under the sign of Donald the Duck.

Spoiler:

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:30 am

This could be my big break in medicine!

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:15 am

Thank God I'm not a Cancer!

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:22 am

Alefroth wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:56 pm Man I hope some of those fans take a knee.

Even with packing the event with GOP minions...

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:28 pm

Presidential Legal Advisor, everyone!

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:35 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:28 pm Presidential Legal Advisor, everyone!

They deserve each other. Trump and Giuliani, I mean.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm

I think I can say with great confidence that Stormy doesn't give a shit what you think or say, Giuliani, and that's one thing many of us have in common with her.

See you in court.

Again, this behaviour to me is either indicative of major blackmail material held by drumpf on Giuliani, or onset of dementia.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:56 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm Again, this behaviour to me is either indicative of major blackmail material held by drumpf on Giuliani, or onset of dementia.

This is something that's been in the back of my mind for a while now. We know the Russians love their compromat and we know that one of Cambridge Analytica's claims to fame was getting dirt to hold over politicians.

How many of these idiots out there going to great lengths to protect Drumpf, for very little in return, are doing it because someone has some dirt on them. Nunes? Giuliani?

Obviously this is conspiracy territory for now, but it's just strikes me as odd the great lengths some are going to to protect Drumpf, even when it is clearly not in their self interest.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:57 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm I think I can say with great confidence that Stormy doesn't give a shit what you think or say, Giuliani, and that's one thing many of us have in common with her.

See you in court.

Again, this behaviour to me is either indicative of major blackmail material held by drumpf on Giuliani, or onset of dementia.

Sign of the times that a porn-star is more believable than the President of the United States or the former Mayor of NY.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:05 pm

Well on the one hand, the "president" was barely a sock puppet before he was put in the WH, so there is no surprise there. Former respectable mayor of new york city is another thing entirely however. He seems to be going insane right before our eyes.

I have a hard time imagining drumpf having the goods on Giuliani that doesn't also compromise drumpf though. How would drumpf go about releasing his blackmail stuff without incriminating himself. I'm thinking backroom bribes and/or deals for real estate development that weren't on the up and up.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:01 pm

Sepiche wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:56 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm Again, this behaviour to me is either indicative of major blackmail material held by drumpf on Giuliani, or onset of dementia.
This is something that's been in the back of my mind for a while now. We know the Russians love their compromat and we know that one of Cambridge Analytica's claims to fame was getting dirt to hold over politicians.

How many of these idiots out there going to great lengths to protect Drumpf, for very little in return, are doing it because someone has some dirt on them. Nunes? Giuliani?

Obviously this is conspiracy territory for now, but it's just strikes me as odd the great lengths some are going to to protect Drumpf, even when it is clearly not in their self interest.

It seems very likely that Putin has blackmail material on Trump: no one launders money from Russia without Vlad knowing about it, and he seems like the kind of guy who keeps the receipts.

That said, I think we're also looking at a genuine meeting of corrupt souls here. Trump admires strength and covets wealth, and Putin is the wealthiest strongman on Earth. Trump has seen how Russia works, and there's no one he would rather be. This explains his affinity even for authoritarians who haven't financed Trump real estate. Compromise is just weakness, and democratic norms are impediments to Trump Power.

In the case of Giuliani and Devin Nunes and company, and think we're looking at greedy racists who see that they have this one chance to hold America back and remake it in their own image, and they're not going to waste it.

They'll go down fighting because the fight means everything: losing means history will laugh at them while victory means a boot stigginit to a librul face, forever.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:30 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:01 pm
Sepiche wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:56 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm Again, this behaviour to me is either indicative of major blackmail material held by drumpf on Giuliani, or onset of dementia.
This is something that's been in the back of my mind for a while now. We know the Russians love their compromat and we know that one of Cambridge Analytica's claims to fame was getting dirt to hold over politicians.

How many of these idiots out there going to great lengths to protect Drumpf, for very little in return, are doing it because someone has some dirt on them. Nunes? Giuliani?

Obviously this is conspiracy territory for now, but it's just strikes me as odd the great lengths some are going to to protect Drumpf, even when it is clearly not in their self interest.
It seems very likely that Putin has blackmail material on Trump: no one launders money from Russia without Vlad knowing about it, and he seems like the kind of guy who keeps the receipts.

That said, I think we're also looking at a genuine meeting of corrupt souls here. Trump admires strength and covets wealth, and Putin is the wealthiest strongman on Earth. Trump has seen how Russia works, and there's no one he would rather be. This explains his affinity even for authoritarians who haven't financed Trump real estate. Compromise is just weakness, and democratic norms are impediments to Trump Power.

In the case of Giuliani and Devin Nunes and company, and think we're looking at greedy racists who see that they have this one chance to hold America back and remake it in their own image, and they're not going to waste it.

They'll go down fighting because the fight means everything: losing means history will laugh at them while victory means a boot stigginit to a librul face, forever.

The conservative movement and the GOP have a significant faction (maybe the majority faction) of Ayn Rand types, of which Paul Ryan is very much one. Randians have a built in suspicion of / contempt for democracy, because the most important value to them is protecting the makers from the takers, and democracy is a ready made vehicle for the more numerous takers to vote themselves a share of the makers' bounty.

So, you offer Paul Ryan a wildly regressive policy agenda AND a cutting back of democratic process, that's basically a win-win for him. Of course he'll happily protect the Trump administration from its enemies, as long as they don't get squeamish on the regressive policies. It's also not a coincidence that Paul Ryan has been more aggressive than McConnell in protecting Trump and going after Trump's enemies.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:34 pm

El Guapo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:30 pm The conservative movement and the GOP have a significant faction (maybe the majority faction) of Ayn Rand types, of which Paul Ryan is very much one. Randians have a built in suspicion of / contempt for democracy, because the most important value to them is protecting the makers from the takers, and democracy is a ready made vehicle for the more numerous takers to vote themselves a share of the makers' bounty.

So, you offer Paul Ryan a wildly regressive policy agenda AND a cutting back of democratic process, that's basically a win-win for him. Of course he'll happily protect the Trump administration from its enemies, as long as they don't get squeamish on the regressive policies. It's also not a coincidence that Paul Ryan has been more aggressive than McConnell in protecting Trump and going after Trump's enemies.

How do so many who would claim to Randian Consitutionalists out there Make wealth from their own body and mind end up corporate masters or career politicians? Aren't they bye their very natures that anti-Galt or the anti-Roark? Ryan is the sniveling back stabber, isn't he? Ellsworth? /runs to the internet. Look at me I do have a vague memory for somethings

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/ ... rth-toohey

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:38 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:05 pm Well on the one hand, the "president" was barely a sock puppet before he was put in the WH, so there is no surprise there. Former respectable mayor of new york city is another thing entirely however. He seems to be going insane right before our eyes.

Did you listen to him when he was running for President? He has been cray cray for a *long* time.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:02 pm

I think that was my point. If you're just agreeing with me, then great. If you're telling me something that you think is news to me, well...I've known he was a piece of shit for 30+ years. I loved that he was running for the presidency because it was hilarious. He might as well have been a more corrupt, malignant Krusty the clown. Then you stupid mf'ers went and elected him and my jaw hit the floor.

Rip and his ilk sure stigginit to me. Well done.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:31 am

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:02 pm I think that was my point. If you're just agreeing with me, then great. If you're telling me something that you think is news to me, well...I've known he was a piece of shit for 30+ years. I loved that he was running for the presidency because it was hilarious. He might as well have been a more corrupt, malignant Krusty the clown. Then you stupid mf'ers went and elected him and my jaw hit the floor.

Rip and his ilk sure stigginit to me. Well done.

I was talking about Guiliani - sorry it was not clear. Guiliani was divisive when he was Mayor. He said a lot of wacky things and did a lot of wacky things like talking about remaining Mayor (though term limited) because he was uniquely suited to save the city after 9/11. Unsurprisingly NYC still did well after he moved on.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:41 am

Ah, my bad, sorry.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:11 am

GreenGoo wrote:Then you stupid mf'ers went and elected him and my jaw hit the floor.

Rip and his ilk sure stigginit to me. Well done.

Pretty sure they weren’t interested in stigginit to Canadian liberals...unless you had something to do with electing Obama? Then yes.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:18 am

Because of course Trump would say this.

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/ ... 9475636224

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:31 am

God i wish I had an alternate universe machine that would show me the fallout if Obama had decided to cozy up to Communists.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:37 am

Assassination attempts and civil war, which would be labelled the "Second War of Northern Aggression"

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:41 am

YellowKing wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:31 am God i wish I had an alternate universe machine that would show me the fallout if Obama had decided to cozy up to Communists.

Well, that would have been COMMUNISM.

This is just a kleptocrat gangster state that jails opponents, assassinates journalists and diplomats, runs on bribery, and builds its foreign policy on a web of international crime and military atrocities. What's not to love?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:46 am

YellowKing wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:31 am God i wish I had an alternate universe machine that would show me the fallout if Obama had decided to cozy up to Communists.

It hasn't even been out for a 3 days, and the list needs to be updated.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:53 am

pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:18 am Because of course Trump would say this.

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/ ... 9475636224

I wonder if Mueller-averse Republicans are aware that the intelligence agencies of every Western nation are focused like a laser on this administration's dealings with Putin?