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That think tank? The Heartland Institute.

Jaymann wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:12 am So when one argument is proven to be bogus you switch to a different argument so you don't renounce the first one?

Not being able to provide proof isn't necessarily an indicator of anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbYgpmPcNa0

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:15 am

A conservative think tank claims that a recent survey conducted in partnership with Rasmussen Reports shows that over a quarter of Americans engaged in ballot fraud during the 2020 presidential election, drawing questions about the study's methodology.

So your position is that based on a Rasmussen poll ( ), 25% of American voters - which would be 40 million+ people - engaged in ballot fraud last election.

Yet even with a scale of fraud that incredibly massive, there isn't a single instance that has actually been proven in a court of law despite multiple attempts.

Man, the Deep State is truly amazing!

Yeah my take away was similar. I didn't do math to come up with 20 million but it didn't take much to jump nor was led to a quarter of Americans by the original quote but

28.2% of survey respondents "who voted by mail admitted to committing at least one kind of voter fraud."

Sounds like bullshit to me. That would still extend to millions of voters who using voting by mail ballots to commit fraud and admitting to it by poll. That's of pr0ner proportions.

I love how “helped someone fill out a ballot” immediately means they changed someone’s vote. I love how they switch from “we have evidence” to “there’s a chance it could have happened”.

Since mail in voting has been around for a long time, this means that Trump didn’t actually win in 2016, I guess.

I did predict our resident Trumper would never admit he was wrong though….even when everyone around him proves so.

em2nought wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:01 am

Jaymann wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:12 am So when one argument is proven to be bogus you switch to a different argument so you don't renounce the first one?

Not being able to provide proof isn't necessarily an indicator of anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbYgpmPcNa0

I don’t have proof to back up my belief that the world is flat, therefore I’m right!

Eventually that hole you’re digging will get you to china. While you’re there, see if you can find the factory where they really make Trump sneakers.

Again, they've never explained why, if election fraud was that easy, would the Dems not take the House and Senate while they were at it. Or why Hillary didn't win in 2016.

I guess it's only election fraud when your guy doesn't win. Otherwise everything was on the up and up. The gullibility to actually believe that is hard to comprehend.

LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:26 am I didn't do math to come up with 20 million

Google says there are 160 million registered voters in the US. According to Rasumssen,25% of them are low down, dirty, election fraud-ing cheaters, which would be 40 million, give or take.

Skinypupy wrote:

LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:26 am I didn't do math to come up with 20 million

Google says there are 160 million registered voters in the US. According to Rasumssen,25% of them are low down, dirty, election fraud-ing cheaters, which would be 40 million, give or take.

Actually, the survey claims 25% of mail-in voters, not all voters.

That doesn't mean it's any less of a bullshit survey though.

disarm wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:00 am

Skinypupy wrote:

LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:26 am I didn't do math to come up with 20 million

Google says there are 160 million registered voters in the US. According to Rasumssen,25% of them are low down, dirty, election fraud-ing cheaters, which would be 40 million, give or take.

Actually, the survey claims 25% of mail-in voters, not all voters.

That doesn't mean it's any less of a bullshit survey though.

Ah, got it.

EAC says around 32% of people voted by mail, so out of 158 million total votes cast, that means 50 million voted by mail. 25% of that would be 12.6 million people who are fraudulent. So yeah, still utter nonsense.

But I'm sure MAGA feels really strongly that it's true, so it therefore is in their world.

Skinypupy wrote:25% of that would be 12.6 million people who are fraudulent.

12.6 million Democratic voters who are fraudulent. Because apparently Republicans don't commit mail fraud which is so easy it can used to overturn national elections.

YellowKing wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:25 am Again, they've never explained why, if election fraud was that easy, would the Dems not take the House and Senate while they were at it. Or why Hillary didn't win in 2016.

I guess it's only election fraud when your guy doesn't win. Otherwise everything was on the up and up. The gullibility to actually believe that is hard to comprehend.

Or maybe the fraud was why Trump won in 2016.

Can we get back on topic, please? And by on topic, I mean Trump sneakers.

Goddamn, what kind of moron would walk around in those?

....don't answer that.

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:33 am

disarm wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:00 am

Skinypupy wrote:

LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:26 am I didn't do math to come up with 20 million

Google says there are 160 million registered voters in the US. According to Rasumssen,25% of them are low down, dirty, election fraud-ing cheaters, which would be 40 million, give or take.

Actually, the survey claims 25% of mail-in voters, not all voters.

That doesn't mean it's any less of a bullshit survey though.

Ah, got it.

EAC says around 32% of people voted by mail, so out of 158 million total votes cast, that means 50 million voted by mail. 25% of that would be 12.6 million people who are fraudulent. So yeah, still utter nonsense.

But I'm sure MAGA feels really strongly that it's true, so it therefore is in their world.

I am all for belief without evidence if it makes MAGATs reject voting by mail. As I said elsewhere every MAGAT who doesn't vote because for some reason they can't make it to the polling place is a boon.

Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:09 am That think tank? The Heartland Institute.

It's an amateurish analysis. I can't find the full poll methodology, and specifically who they polled, but the analysis that is the basis of the report is not the work of professionals.

Additionally, even they admit that, in their amateurish fraud extrapolation scenario, 42% of the fraudulent ballots would have been for Trump.

hepcat wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:56 am Can we get back on topic, please? And by on topic, I mean Trump sneakers.

Goddamn, what kind of moron would walk around in those?

....don't answer that.

I'm too cheap to buy those.

I can't prove you did buy them so you must have bought them.

hepcat wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:56 am Can we get back on topic, please? And by on topic, I mean Trump sneakers.

Goddamn, what kind of moron would walk around in those?

....don't answer that.

I was about to point you to the SNL skit, but remembered you were the one that posted it.

They're just...I mean...no one could possibly think they look good walking around in what appears to be a spare piece of clothing from set of The Wiz.

But then again, we're talking about Deplorables.

hepcat wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:47 pm They're just...I mean...no one could possibly think they look good walking around in what appears to be a spare piece of clothing from set of The Wiz.

But then again, we're talking about Deplorables.

Trump's shoes look better than Joe's do.

You know what they say about big feet, don’t you?

Conversely, you know what they say about small hands, don’t you?

hepcat wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:28 pm You know what they say about big feet, don’t you?

Conversely, you know what they say about small hands, don’t you?

Hey now, if I get any heavier I'll have an innie instead of an outie.

Birthday cake murderer. Bill Burr.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jj3cE-i27jc

Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

You are in good company. Immanuel Kant thought that masturbation was worse than murder.

Jaymann wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:50 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

You are in good company. Immanuel Kant thought that masturbation was worse than murder.

Yeah, well...

Jaymann wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:50 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

You are in good company. Immanuel Kant thought that masturbation was worse than murder.

I kant believe it!

...jesus, i'm so sorry. that...i mean...i'm so sorry.

Blackhawk wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:05 am

Alefroth wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:03 pm I'd love to see people start applying for SSNs for frozen embryos.

And claiming tax deductions. Dependents: 34.

I mean, this makes sense. If the embyos are legally considered children and they are your or your wifes embyos then that means they are your dependents.
I think you're on to something..

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

Yeah. I know I've lost a lot of medical knowledge but IIRC, an embryo by itself will never grow up to be a child without the accompanying sperm. Thetefor sperm should be considered children as well and if you masterbate you are committing mass murder.
I mean unless you freeze them too in which case blackhawks idea means you niw have a million dependents!

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:41 am

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm Burr should go further and state that grabbing the pan after pouring the batter in it and throwing it across the kitchen would cause someone to shout "You ruined my birthday cake!". Which effectively means, if you masturbate, you're killing a baby.

So I better not hear about any republicans masturbating around here!

Yeah. I know I've lost a lot of medical knowledge but IIRC, an embryo by itself will never grow up to be a child without the accompanying sperm. Thetefor sperm should be considered children as well and if you masterbate you are committing mass murder.
I mean unless you freeze them too in which case blackhawks idea means you niw have a million dependents!

I think embryo are fertilized so no longer need sperm.

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:41 am Yeah. I know I've lost a lot of medical knowledge but IIRC, an embryo by itself will never grow up to be a child without the accompanying sperm.

Yeah, No. I can only imagine that you are thinking "egg", not "embryo".

An embryo is the combination of an egg and a sperm.... Probably a fundamental thing for you to get straightened out.



Also:

There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed,
But,
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,I'm a Roman Catholic...
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on.
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because...

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathens spill theirs,
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found

Unagi wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:00 am Also:

Dammit, beat me to it.

Unagi wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:00 am

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:41 am Yeah. I know I've lost a lot of medical knowledge but IIRC, an embryo by itself will never grow up to be a child without the accompanying sperm.

Yeah, No. I can only imagine that you are thinking "egg", not "embryo".

An embryo is the combination of an egg and a sperm.... Probably a fundamental thing for you to get straightened out.

I stand corrected. Guess i list more medical knowledge than i thoyght. That makes me sad.
Guess i need clarification than. Arte they freezing embryos or just eggs and this is more about what happens after they become embryos.

Embryos.

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:40 pm

Unagi wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:00 am

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:41 am Yeah. I know I've lost a lot of medical knowledge but IIRC, an embryo by itself will never grow up to be a child without the accompanying sperm.

Yeah, No. I can only imagine that you are thinking "egg", not "embryo".

An embryo is the combination of an egg and a sperm.... Probably a fundamental thing for you to get straightened out.

I stand corrected. Guess i list more medical knowledge than i thoyght. That makes me sad.
Guess i need clarification than. Arte they freezing embryos or just eggs and this is more about what happens after they become embryos.

Actually they're freezing both.

For IVF, they freeze embryo because they want to choose the best ones to implant so the leftover are fertilized eggs/embryo that are "lesser" quality. Those leftover are the ones that they freeze.

But there are also women that freeze their eggs. For example some women want to freeze their eggs so they can have kids later when they're older. Or because they want to undergo treatment that can affect their eggs like for cancer patients.

Punisher wrote:I stand corrected. Guess i list more medical knowledge than i thoyght. That makes me sad.

Look on the bright side. By Congressional standards it makes you more than qualified to pass laws related to female reproductive health!

YellowKing wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:14 pm

Punisher wrote:I stand corrected. Guess i list more medical knowledge than i thoyght. That makes me sad.

Look on the bright side. By Congressional standards it makes you more than qualified to pass laws related to female reproductive health!

So you're say that this will help my presidential campaign?

So, just to make sure im on the same page for today.
They make embryos for IVF but not on a one to one basis, ie 1 women one embryo.
They do more than one and when done select the best one and freeze the extras.
If this part is correct then go 5o next. If not please correct.

If correct what this is saying is that as soon as it's an embryo
They are saying this is a child and the doc or whoever is now responsible for them. Ev3n if they arent viable and might never have progressed they are responsible for not harming it.
Is that correct? I dont need techy details as they wont last long in my brain. Just trying to get even a basic understanding of this ESPECIALLY since i scrwed up the embryo thing above.

Yup, you've got it.

Punisher wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:40 pm I stand corrected. Guess i list more medical knowledge than i thoyght. That makes me sad.

Makes me sad too. I'm sorry Punisher. Still, you seem to be doing well!