Doomscrolling the election results thread

[Skinypupy]

Is the bright side of Red winning everything that it will be harder to blame the other guys when things go wronf?

Hahahahahahaha, no.

It'll still somehow be the Democrat's fault, even though the GOP controls everything because...reasons. I mean, you've seen the contortions they do to sanewash Trump on a daily basis, right?

[LordMortis]

But the timing of showing up in a thread just when people are obviously stressed and upset, only to post comments about just how good it was for you - that's not in keeping with wishing we could all get along.

I was particularly moved by the heartfelt concern over tampons for my vagina as first post. dickhead, indeed.

[Blackhawk]

Don't worry, Trump will find a way. Name one instance in which he's taken responsibility for any wrongdoing on his part in his entire life. Just one.

There have been a few, but only when doing so benefited him. He apologized for the "grab 'em" comment, for instance, when he was still fresh to the candidacy and he hadn't yet received public support for his attitudes.

[Sudy]

Life is not fair. We should have help for those who actually need it and maybe that's your situation.

No, life certainly isn't fair. But we have a moral imperative to make it as fair as possible within a reasonable set of parameters. Defining those parameters is a point of contention. But I question the morality of anyone who isn't working toward a world in which poverty--and ultimately suffering--no longer exist. We live in an age of increasing abundance. The majority of our systems are concerned with funnelling it to the top and hoarding it. Those with the depraved belief in social Darwinism are welcome to willingly fuck off to the wilderness together and practice it as long as they remain far away from the rest of humanity.

"Help for those who actually need it" is an incredibly loaded phrasing. The supremely privileged alone should never be the arbiters of who "deserves" help. But that's the system we currently live in, which paradoxically has the support of many of the underprivileged.

Equity is not moral nor sustainable.

Give me a break. Equity has never been tried. And it's not because of moral or practical perseverance. It's because of greed.

[raydude]

At least we get 20-25% tariffs, forcible deportation of 2/3 of the agricultural and service industries, and massive cuts to the federal workforce.

I'm sure that will turn things around.

Yeah I'm sure removing $2T and 11 million workers from the economy will have no unintended consequences at all!

I read an article that removing 11 million workers is only going to save about a couple hundred million. If they're serious about saving $2T they're going to have to cut medicare, medicaid, and social security. At this point I'm thinking - let's do it. We need more face eating.

[Skinypupy]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

Side note: I was thrilled to see Jeff Jackson win the AG spot in NC. He's been fantastic to follow during his short stint in the House.

[LordMortis]

At least we get 20-25% tariffs, forcible deportation of 2/3 of the agricultural and service industries, and massive cuts to the federal workforce.

I'm sure that will turn things around.

Yeah I'm sure removing $2T and 11 million workers from the economy will have no unintended consequences at all!

I read an article that removing 11 million workers is only going to save about a couple hundred million. If they're serious about saving $2T they're going to have to cut medicare, medicaid, and social security. At this point I'm thinking - let's do it. We need more face eating.

I'd think the ACA would be the first on the chopping block, when that come up short then it's medicaid, then medicare scalebacks, and finally bumping social security to 72. The waters will be tested bit by bit, I'd think, not for fixing the budget but rather for maintaining power without too much resistance.

[Lagom Lite]

Maybe Lite can rest easy that Sweden will be saved from the Russians after all and that ikea Longempumpens will be on their way across the Atlantic.

Phew! Back to the Löngempümpen factory for me.

[geezer]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

Some large number of people, for whatever reason (and it’s incomprehensible to me) just like and trust Donald Trump with a fervor that boggles the mind. I will never ever understand it, but it seems to be true.

[Blackhawk]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

First thought? One was voting on issues. The other was voting on personalities.

[msduncan]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

First thought? One was voting on issues. The other was voting on personalities.

They don't call it popularism for nuthin.

[Smoove_B]

Some large number of people, for whatever reason (and it’s incomprehensible to me) just like and trust Donald Trump with a fervor that boggles the mind. I will never ever understand it, but it seems to be true.

I wonder if there's something in common between Harris and Robinson that could explain why racists couldn't bring themselves to vote for him but simultaneously support Donald Trump.

I guess we'll never know.

[msduncan]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

First thought? One was voting on issues. The other was voting on personalities.

Another thing that occurred to me this morning: Politics, more than ever, has become a team sport. You adopt, conform, and parrot every word from your chosen team without any deep thought about the issues. After a victory, you boast and crow or if you are on the losing side you think the world is ending. I've seen it all over the place for both sides.

Edit: The collective you. Not "you". But I think you got that.

[Smutly]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

[Blackhawk]

See you then. We'll let you know if we need tampons.

[Blackhawk]

Know who I feel like? Damocles.

I'm reliant on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. All three are in the crosshairs. I'm facing potential loss of income and all medical care. Worst case scenario could leave me homeless.

And that isn't even touching on my disabled trans daughter.

I'm Damocles, wondering when.

[Skinypupy]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

Not a big enough in the world.

[Sudy]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

Cool! Until then, have the life you deserve.

[msduncan]

FiveThiryEight's analysis of how Trump won

I hope I did the URL coding right for this link. Anyway...it's their analysis on what happened.

Edit: URL link worked. I also think that some of this might be due to not having a platform of what she was going to do, policies she was going to try to get passed, etc. Instead the campaign was mostly about how bad the other side was. Voters typically vote FOR something, not against something. That's just msduncan analysis there, but I think that might have played a role.

[Blackhawk]

I'm also seeing a lot of finger-pointing at Biden for not admitting his issues sooner, avoiding the disastrous debate and giving her more time to establish a platform.

[msduncan]

I'm also seeing a lot of finger-pointing at Biden for not admitting his issues sooner, avoiding the disastrous debate and giving her more time to establish a platform.

Absolutely. It takes months to establish a platform and she had limited time.

[Zaxxon]

I'm also seeing a lot of finger-pointing at Biden for not admitting his issues sooner, avoiding the disastrous debate and giving her more time to establish a platform.

Certainly things would have been better had Biden decided and announced from the outset that he would not seek re-election, so the 'normal' process could have taken place. I know a lot of folks didn't like the way Harris was just annointed to run.

But all these analyses are, IMO, just skirting around the real reason: America wanted the dictator guy again. They clearly chose the dictator guy again. Nitpicks here and there aside, it's not like this was a difficult choice for anyone who values democracy.

[msduncan]

FiveThirtyEight is also saying that it appears as if the Republicans will hold on to a slim majority in the House. So no divided government.

[geezer]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

Jesus F'n Christ, dude. I can see why Trump resonates with you - buncha money, absolutely zero class or empathy. I mean, I don't even have a problem with you per se, and I'm not the guy that's gonna suffer under whatever tech-bro hellscape is next, because even though my wife is gonna lose her pre-existing health care protections, I can access a check that would eat your investment portfolio, but fuck.

[hepcat]

Why anyone would stay on a forum with a majority of people they obviously hate is still beyond me. There are other options. But I guess the need for validation is strong in some.

[WYBaugh]

One of the more baffling things to me is to see the wild swings within specific states. For example, North Carolina went blue across the board (Governor, Lt Governor, school superintendent, AG, and 2 Dem reps) but voted Trump for President. Missouri voted for abortion rights, a minimum wage increase, and paid sick leave, then voted for Senators and a President who would undo all those things.

I just don't understand how that happens.

First thought? One was voting on issues. The other was voting on personalities.

Another thing that occurred to me this morning: Politics, more than ever, has become a team sport. You adopt, conform, and parrot every word from your chosen team without any deep thought about the issues. After a victory, you boast and crow or if you are on the losing side you think the world is ending. I've seen it all over the place for both sides.

Edit: The collective you. Not "you". But I think you got that.

I get what you're saying and maybe it's me living where I live (Florida) but there is a whole ton of Team Trumpism and not much in any way of Team Pick your democrat. The amount of flags, t-shirts, stickers and even a state license plate is out of control.

I guess this is all blow back from people wearing Obama shirts.

[geezer]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

.. and you know what - just because you've pissed me off now, let me share with you a little copy/paste of what I sent to about 5 decently close friends last night instead of, you know, being a dick.

Just reaching out to my friends - particularly those that have political opinion strongly opposite my own - to let you know that come tomorrow (or whenever we're done with this), no matter what happens I don't think you're evil, stupid, or otherwise unworthy of the kindness and respect that's been a part of our friendship. I will still consider you a friend, and I hope you feel the same. Cheers, and best of luck to all of us for a Great country today, tomorrow, and onto the future.

Do better.

[msduncan]

Democratic consultants deceiving voters for ground game money that didn't materialize

Very interesting article here.

[raydude]

After a victory, you boast and crow or if you are on the losing side you think the world is ending. I've seen it all over the place for both sides.

The difference here is that when the Trump side loses they only think the world is ending. In truth they get to live their lives however they want even if they whine about it.

What we're seeing with people like Blackhawk is that they truly will be impacted. With real world consequences. Prove me wrong, but if worse comes to worse, saying "i'm sorry for you dude" is just not going to cut it.

[geezer]

Democratic consultants deceiving voters for ground game money that didn't materialize

Very interesting article here.

SuperPACs are the devil.

[Alefroth]

At least we get 20-25% tariffs, forcible deportation of 2/3 of the agricultural and service industries, and massive cuts to the federal workforce.

I'm sure that will turn things around.

Yeah I'm sure removing $2T and 11 million workers from the economy will have no unintended consequences at all!

And that's not even counting the actual cost to remove them.

[YellowKing]

My thin hope is that mass deportations (like Trump's border wall) will be an election promise that he won't keep. Oh I'm sure there will be some deportations, but given the impossibility of the task and the catastrophic repercussions to the economy, I'm hoping he settles for some token effort and then drops it.

Trump has no real reason to actually solve problems - his entire goal in 2016 was to get elected to enrich himself, and his entire goal in 2024 was to get elected to stay out of prison and enrich himself. We can only hope that once he's in office, he's more focused on grifting than getting anything done.

[Smoove_B]

Hoping that the people cheering for women and children in cages was just political theater....is pretty grim.

[LawBeefaroni]

I would expect a lot cost cutting will be in health care and they'll try to find a tech solution. AI authorization processes, "disruptive" start ups, etc.

Plus no coverage for vaccines, eliminate coverage for pre-ex conditions..


I highly doubt tax breaks on Teslas gets cut though.

[Alefroth]

I'm sorry I interrupted your Black Panther Party. Kum-bay-yah. See you in 4 years.

I just don't understand why people don't like you.

[LawBeefaroni]

Trump has no real reason to actually solve problems - his entire goal in 2016 was to get elected to enrich himself, and his entire goal in 2024 was to get elected to stay out of prison and enrich himself. We can only hope that once he's in office, he's more focused on grifting than getting anything done.

He'll still have the attention span of a squirrel but this time he has a whole gaggle of not-so-stupid characters ready to run the country.

In fact, would be surprised if he survives 2 years before they take over completely.

[Alefroth]

Who's the first Trump family member that will get a cabinet position?

[Smoove_B]

I would expect a lot cost cutting will be in health care and they'll try to find a tech solution. AI authorization processes, "disruptive" start ups, etc.

Plus no coverage for vaccines, eliminate coverage for pre-ex conditions..

Going to save a ton without coverage for gender-confirming care, birth control or abortions.

Again, if only 25% of what has been promised is enacted, it's going to be a disaster.

[LawBeefaroni]

Cutting off nose to spite face:

In Dearborn, where 55% of the residents are of Middle Eastern descent, Trump won with 42.48% of the vote over Vice President Kamala Harris, who received 36.26%, according to results, with 100% of precincts counted, provided to the Free Press from City Clerk George Darany. Jill Stein received 18.37% of the vote. Voter turnout in Dearborn was smaller compared to 2020.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 085841007/



Leopards will eat what's left.

[Blackhawk]

All of the hope for Trump to not act out of laziness misses the fact that he's not the only one wanting to go on a policy rampage. If they get their trifecta, he'll be able to sign bills and orders without looking up from the TV.