Diplo Game 4 - Spring 1908 - Retreats Due Thursday

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:31 pm

Results for Fall, 1904 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order Results:

Austria:
Austria: F aeg -> smy
Austria: A bud Supports A gal -> rum
Austria: A bul -> con
Failed because Turkey: F con -> ank failed.
Austria: F eas Supports F aeg -> smy
Austria: A gal -> rum
Austria: A gre Holds
Austria: A ser Supports A gal -> rum

England:
England: F bar Supports F nwg -> nwy
England: F nth Supports F nwg -> nwy
England: F nwg -> nwy
England: F ska Supports F nwg -> nwy

France:
France: A bre -> par
France: A gas Supports A tus -> mar
France: F lyo Convoys A tus -> mar
France: A tus -> mar
Bounced with mar (2 against 2).
Dislodged from rom (2 against 1).

Germany:
Germany: F hel -> den
Germany: F kie -> hol
Germany: A mar Holds
Germany: A mun -> kie
Germany: A pic -> bre

Italy:
Italy: F por Supports F spa/sc
Italy: F rom -> tus
Italy: F spa/sc Supports A mar
Italy: F tun -> tys
Italy: A ven Supports F rom -> tus

Russia:
Russia: A arm -> ank
Bounced with con (1 against 1).
Dislodged from smy (2 against 1).
Russia: A nwy -> swe
Russia: A sev -> arm
Bounced with smy (1 against 1).
Russia: F stp/nc Holds
Russia: F swe -> bal
Russia: A ukr -> sev
Failed because Russia: A sev -> arm failed.

Turkey:
Turkey: F bla Supports A smy -> arm
Turkey: F con -> ank
Bounced with arm (1 against 1).
Turkey: A smy -> arm

Russia: A arm
France: A tus

Retreat orders due today if possible please.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:24 pm

the only retreat options are Disband or Piedmont and Disband or Syria. Russia can not move into a province that was the location of a bounce this phase.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:28 pm

Remus West wrote:the only retreat options are Disband or Piedmont and Disband or Syria. Russia can not move into a province that was the location of a bounce this phase.

Yes. And I'm waiting on one such order. Of course I think he might have a few more disbands coming also.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 pm

Can a retreating unit capture territory? For instance, if combat had not occured in ank, could A arm retreat to ank and capture the SC?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:48 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Can a retreating unit capture territory? For instance, if combat had not occured in ank, could A arm retreat to ank and capture the SC?

Yeah, as far as I know.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:49 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Can a retreating unit capture territory? For instance, if combat had not occured in ank, could A arm retreat to ank and capture the SC?

Yes. But it doesn't count as a capture unless it's occupied in a Fall Movement turn's resolution.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:53 pm

So if arm did retreat to ank, would Russia get the build this winter since it was part of the fall movement?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:08 pm

Austin wrote:
Remus West wrote:the only retreat options are Disband or Piedmont and Disband or Syria. Russia can not move into a province that was the location of a bounce this phase.
Yes. And I'm waiting on one such order. Of course I think he might have a few more disbands coming also.

Suckin'

st00pid Italian alliance with Germany.
st00pid Germans outthinking my northern army.

hey tru1cy you can have France back now

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:16 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:So if arm did retreat to ank, would Russia get the build this winter since it was part of the fall movement?

Yes; adjustments take place after the retreat phase. Thus, in rare circumstances you can set up "offensive" retreats, having an ally dislodge one of your units so that you can retreat it to the most advantageous open space/supply center.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:02 pm

Austria:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

England:

France:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 3.
France: A tus -> pie

Germany:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3.

Italy:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

Russia:
Russia: A arm Disbands

Turkey:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.

Build Orders due Tonight.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:20 pm

Austria:
Austria: Builds A vie

England:

France:
France: Removes A gas
France: Removes A par
France: Removes A pie

Germany:
Germany: Builds F ber
Germany: Builds A mun

Italy:
Italy: Builds F rom

Russia:

Turkey:
Turkey: Removes F con

Spring 1905 Orders Due Saturday Night

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:47 am

Come on France, make your move!!!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:53 am

stessier wrote:Come on France, make your move!!!

Totally not me, dude.

I sent the order to invade Trieste on like thursday.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:11 am

England and Russia are tardy.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:19 am

Now that is an interesting alliance.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:49 pm

Sorry, completely forgot to send them in. In now.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:43 pm

I have all the orders but it will be tomorrow before I update. Sit tight!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:25 pm

Results for Spring, 1905 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 26-Feb-2008 at 11:06:33 EST
Order Results:

Austria:
Austria: A bud Supports A vie -> gal
Austria: A bul -> con
Austria: F eas -> aeg
Austria: A gre -> bul
Austria: A rum -> sev
Austria: A ser -> rum
Austria: F smy Holds
Austria: A vie -> gal

England:
England: F bar -> stp/nc
England: F nth -> eng
England: F nwy Supports F bar -> stp/nc
England: F ska -> nth

France:
France: F lyo -> wes
Bounced with tys (1 against 1).
Dislodged from tus (2 against 1).

Germany:
Germany: F ber Supports F den -> bal
Germany: A bre -> pic
Germany: F den -> bal
Germany: F hol -> bel
Germany: A kie -> den
Bounced with swe (1 against 1).
Germany: A mar -> bur
Germany: A mun -> sil

Italy:
Italy: F por -> mao
Italy: F rom -> tys
Failed because Italy: F tys -> wes failed.
Italy: F spa/sc Supports F tus -> lyo
Italy: F tus -> lyo
Italy: F tys -> wes
Bounced with lyo (1 against 1).
Italy: A ven -> pie

Russia:
The Fleet in St. Petersburg cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
Russia: F bal Supports A swe -> den
Dislodged from den (2 against 1).
Russia: A sev -> ukr
Russia: F stp/nc Holds
Dislodged from bar (2 against 1).
Russia: A swe -> den
Bounced with kie (1 against 1).
Russia: A ukr -> war

Turkey:
Turkey: A arm Supports A rum -> sev
Turkey: F bla Supports A rum -> sev

Retreats are Due Tonight please.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:43 am

France: F Lyo retreats to Mar

Russia: F bal is disbanded.

Fall 1905 moves due Friday Night.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:22 am

Just a reminder in case anyone missed the deadline.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:21 pm

Paging Russia, Russia, please report to the red telephone.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:26 pm

Austin wrote:Paging Russia, Russia, please report to the red telephone.

Sorry. Let me make something up real quick like....

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:19 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Austin wrote:Paging Russia, Russia, please report to the red telephone.
Sorry. Let me make something up real quick like....

You have no chance to survive make your time.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:35 pm

All my base are belong to y'all.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:47 pm

. I'll update soon. Wrong PC.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:13 am

Promises...Promises...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:24 am

Results for Fall, 1905 (Movement)
General Notices:

Order Results:

Austria:
No order for unit at Aegean Sea. Hold order assigned.
Austria: F aeg Holds
Austria: A bud -> ser
Austria: A bul -> rum
Austria: A con -> ank
Austria: A gal Supports A sil -> war
Austria: A rum -> ukr
Austria: A sev Supports A rum -> ukr
Austria: F smy -> con

England:
England: F eng -> iri
England: F nth Supports A kie -> den
England: F nwy -> swe
England: F stp/nc Holds

France:
The Fleet in Marseilles cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
No order for unit at Marseilles. Hold order assigned.
F mar Holds
Dislodged from pie (3 against 1).

Germany:
Germany: F bal Supports F nwy -> swe
Germany: F bel -> eng
Germany: F ber -> kie
Germany: A bur -> ruh
Germany: A kie -> den
Germany: A pic -> par
Germany: A sil -> war

Italy:
Italy: F lyo Supports A pie -> mar
Italy: F mao -> nao
Italy: A pie -> mar
Italy: F rom -> tys
Italy: F spa/sc Supports A pie -> mar
Italy: F tys -> wes

Russia:
Russia: A swe -> fin
Russia: A ukr Holds
Dislodged from rum (2 against 1).
Russia: A war -> lvn

Turkey:
Turkey: A arm Holds
Turkey: F bla Holds

Gah! I BSOD'd when checking back to see if CR had in fact sent in an order I missed. /steps lightly.

I'll get Grund's retreat/disband order and we'll get into the builds today hopefully.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:45 am

Dang Frenchies flying their colors in the East. It's just wrong I say!!!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:13 am

I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:17 am

El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.

Why? In the game I played with you, you offered to help me take out Remus if I agreed to stab him in the back. (at your expense as you were about done anyway) Would that have been considered service to Austria?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:46 am

Retreat to Moscow
Thereafter, Hold or Disband as necessary.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:01 pm

El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.

You can view it as Turkey keeping his promise if that makes you feel better. He told Russia if he was double-crossed, he would do everything in his power to make Russia pay. I wish I had the exact quote. Basically it boils down to you should never doubt Ezmate's word.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:33 pm

stessier wrote:
El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.
You can view it as Turkey keeping his promise if that makes you feel better. He told Russia if he was double-crossed, he would do everything in his power to make Russia pay. I wish I had the exact quote. Basically it boils down to you should never doubt Ezmate's word.

I could accept that save you were the one who backstabbed him worst.

Not that I'm upset mind you, since Russia stabbed me too. I'm just saying.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:08 pm

Remus West wrote:
stessier wrote:
El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.
You can view it as Turkey keeping his promise if that makes you feel better. He told Russia if he was double-crossed, he would do everything in his power to make Russia pay. I wish I had the exact quote. Basically it boils down to you should never doubt Ezmate's word.
I could accept that save you were the one who backstabbed him worst.

Not that I'm upset mind you, since Russia stabbed me too. I'm just saying.

My understanding is that there was a clear, "If you move into X, I will Y" situation.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:13 pm

edit: double post

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:14 pm

Austin wrote:
El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.
Why? In the game I played with you, you offered to help me take out Remus if I agreed to stab him in the back. (at your expense as you were about done anyway) Would that have been considered service to Austria?

IIRC, the idea was to become your vassal in service of exterminating Remus (and possibly beyond). That would mean surviving as a one or two unit country, for at least a while longer (and if the opportunity came up to grow again by turning on you, I would of course have chosen that). The idea being that serving you for at least awhile was the only viable way I could survive.

The only thing that seemed shady about what ezmate did is that it appeared as if he had basically committed suicide to help another player, rather than making every effort to survive.

But what stessier says does change things - more of a negotiating tactic (useful in future games) than giving up on the game.

Anyways, sorry for intruding, but I was just surprised and struck by Turkey's moves.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:20 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Austin wrote:
El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.
Why? In the game I played with you, you offered to help me take out Remus if I agreed to stab him in the back. (at your expense as you were about done anyway) Would that have been considered service to Austria?
IIRC, the idea was to become your vassal in service of exterminating Remus (and possibly beyond). That would mean surviving as a one or two unit country, for at least a while longer (and if the opportunity came up to grow again by turning on you, I would of course have chosen that). The idea being that serving you for at least awhile was the only viable way I could survive.

The only thing that seemed shady about what ezmate did is that it appeared as if he had basically committed suicide to help another player, rather than making every effort to survive.

But what stessier says does change things - more of a negotiating tactic (useful in future games) than giving up on the game.

Anyways, sorry for intruding, but I was just surprised and struck by Turkey's moves.

You're not intruding. It's nice to know people are watching. It must be interesting to watch people play who might not have much experience with the game prior. You'll see people do unconventional things and strange unions that last to the end of the game.

I think there is a lot to be said for people learning the ropes and figuring out exactly how the game is played.

My first game my actions came from a fear that I wasn't gaining SP's as quickly as some others in the first couple years. Now I could look at the same situation and realize I was in okay shape. You start to see the ebb and flow of things. All that said I think there is something to be said for playing toward future games. Ezmate may have thrown in the towel for revenge this game but next game when he says, "If you do X, I will help your enemies" you have to give serious pause to stabbing him in the back.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:03 pm

Austin wrote:Ezmate may have thrown in the towel for revenge this game but next game when he says, "If you do X, I will help your enemies" you have to give serious pause to stabbing him in the back.

Or make certain you get a vital organ rather than just a flesh wound.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:05 pm

Incidentally, if anyone thinks that I am bitter about the fact that - out of four games played - the only one where Italy fared poorly was the one where I played Italy, you are sorely mistaken. Nope, not aggravated one bit that a power generally considered one of the weakest in the game has done well when played by everyone but me.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:27 pm

Remus West wrote:
stessier wrote:
El Guapo wrote:I take it Turkey decided to simply immolate himself in service of Austria? A bit shady, IMHO.
You can view it as Turkey keeping his promise if that makes you feel better. He told Russia if he was double-crossed, he would do everything in his power to make Russia pay. I wish I had the exact quote. Basically it boils down to you should never doubt Ezmate's word.
I could accept that save you were the one who backstabbed him worst.

He was actually troubled by this fact as well. Austin is right, there was an X/Y statement. We never had such an threat, just a general agreement to work together. It's true, I stabbed him in the back, but maybe because he never told me "do this or else", he found it easier to come back to me.

Hopefully he'll stop by and let us know exactly what his thoughts were. I must say, you could have knocked me over with a feather when his first invitation came in to take on Grund while not protecting himself.