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AWS260 wrote:POLITICAL SHOCKER: Donald Trump will not run for president.
From Trump's statement:
I want to personally thank the millions of Americans who have joined the various Trump grassroots movements and written me letters and e-mails encouraging me to run. My gratitude for your faith and trust in me could never be expressed properly in words. So, I make you this promise: that I will continue to voice my opinions loudly
Was anyone doubting this? Was this really something we needed a promise on?
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El Guapo wrote:
So, I make you this promise: that I will continue to voice my opinions loudly
Was anyone doubting this? Was this really something we needed a promise on?
I got the impression he wasn't voicing his opinions before, just throwing mud to see what would stick and give him more press coverage.
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He can dish it out, but he can't take it.

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AWS260 wrote:POLITICAL SHOCKER: Donald Trump will not run for president.
Gee, amazingly enough, this all happened right around the May Sweeps and the finale of Celebrity Apprentice and there was a corresponding ratings bump. Wow! Whouda thunk it?
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This has been news all day and I've yet to hear of a rival candidate tweeting "Donald, You're Fired." Don't their staffers watch TV?
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Newt's twisting himself in knots trying to backpedal away from Sunday's criticism of the Ryan Medicare gutting.

Now he says
any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood
:shock: :? :lol:


Maybe it was one of those Republican "non-factual statements" that are all the rage these days. :wink:
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Exodor wrote:Maybe it was one of those Republican "non-factual statements" that are all the rage these days. :wink:
It's "not intended to be a factual statement". The way you wrote it, it's just a lie. Big difference.
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stessier wrote:
Exodor wrote:Maybe it was one of those Republican "non-factual statements" that are all the rage these days. :wink:
It's "not intended to be a factual statement". The way you wrote it, it's just a lie. Big difference.
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Exodor wrote:Newt's twisting himself in knots trying to backpedal away from Sunday's criticism of the Ryan Medicare gutting.

Now he says
any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood
:shock: :? :lol:


Maybe it was one of those Republican "non-factual statements" that are all the rage these days. :wink:
I would like to echo this.

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This was my reaction to Newt's silliness as well:
Newt Gingrich: ‘Any Ad Which Quotes What I Said On Sunday Is A Falsehood’

Tina Fey’s Sarah Palin: ‘I just hope the lamestream media won’t twist my words by repeatin’ em verbatim’

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LEAVE NEWT ALONE!

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Awesome.

That a candidate would define "literati" as their enemies says the world about that candidate.
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When you build your brand around being an intellectual heavyweight, it helps not to come off like a blithering hack. Good Lord.

And I'm not even talking about Newt's media implosion this week. I just went and sampled some of his writing via Google Books. I think maybe he's missing exactly why the literati hate him.
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Newt's even getting burned by Rush
"And by the way, it was not a reference to Paul Ryan. There was no reference to Paul Ryan in that answer."

To which Limbaugh asked: "Well then what did you apologize to him about?"
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that sound you hear is Newt's campaign imploding...dead...dead..dead...only question now will he bow out this summer or if he will stay in till after iowa & NH.....so he can create some political pull.
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I suppose there's the option to attempt to play Kingmaker still if he sticks around long enough.
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I'll just leave this here so I can watch from home later:

John Lithgow reads Newt's press release on Colbert's show

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Kraken wrote:This Globe columnist isn't especially astute, nor is the Globe itself known for its incisive attention to Republicans. But for your amusement here is Scott Lehigh's handicapping of the GOP field so far.
If you start with the assumption that a candidate must have a plausible path to both the nomination and the presidency, the prospects of the might-be candidates fall into three categories: Believable, conceivable, and unachievable.
His conclusions:

Unachievable: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Haley Barbour, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, and Michele Bachmann

Believable: Mitt Romney, Mitch Daniels and Tim Pawlenty.

Conceivable: Mike Huckabee and Jon Huntsman.

Read the column to see how he arrived at those conclusions.
Updated that for you. Newt's technically still in the race, right?

At this rate, there won't be a Republican primary election, it'll be candidate by attrition.
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If it comes down to Romney vs Huntsman, you'll have two candidates tainted by association with Obama's policies and/or administration. How will that sit with the Tea Party?
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Surprising. I thought Barbour bowing out meant he was running for sure.

My partisan side is glad because I think he's one of the few contenders that could compete with Obama. The rest of me is really scared by the remaining candidate pool and the idea that one of them could have their finger on the button someday.
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Holman wrote:If it comes down to Romney vs Huntsman, you'll have two candidates tainted by association with Obama's policies and/or administration. How will that sit with the Tea Party?
They'll back anyone they think can win, naturally. The calculation goes something like this:

What's worse: someone whose ideas inspired Obama's idea, or Obama?

A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
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Grundbegriff wrote:A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
Two mormons, though?

How many evangelicals would just stay home if that was the ticket?
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Grundbegriff wrote: A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
I think those two guys are too much alike. Either one needs a fire-breathing rightwing running mate to placate their party's base. But they are the only two who appear electable at this point.

Either way, a moderate R vs. moderate D race would make the middle happy while pissing off both extreme wings equally.
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Exodor wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
Two mormons, though?

How many evangelicals would just stay home if that was the ticket?
That's, along the fact that neither of those guys has much social conservative cred. They would be compromise candidates, tacking towards the middle and the independents.

The last few elections have depended a lot on which side Got Out The Vote. Many Tea Partiers and evangelicals would hold their noses and vote for Romney, but significant numbers wouldn't.
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Kraken wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
I think those two guys are too much alike. Either one needs a fire-breathing rightwing running mate to placate their party's base.
I think that sounds right. Something like Romney/Rice would work, though she disavows interest.
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Grundbegriff wrote:
Kraken wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:A Romney/Huntsman ticket is possible.
I think those two guys are too much alike. Either one needs a fire-breathing rightwing running mate to placate their party's base.
I think that sounds right. Something like Romney/Rice would work, though she disavows interest.
I dont think Romney/Huntsman is possible. Everything I have read they have some strong dislike of each other stemming back to the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics steering committee. Dont think that will happen. Also the dual mormon thing will kill that ticket I think. Also not enough geographical diversity..... Huntsman (Utah 100% republican pretty much) & Romney (Mass. & some Michigan roots- via pops).

Also looks like Mitch Daniels is officially saying no to running in 2012. I am assuming most folks are going to announce by the end of of June...to take advantage of the fundraising quarter closing at the end of it. Also, if they arent establishing themselves in Iowa by then...they arent serious enough.
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Pawlenty just announced, so I guess Obama needs to start looking for work.
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My money's heavily on Pawlenty at this point as the likely GOP nominee (barring a dramatic turn of events). Especially with Daniels not running, the field really couldn't have turned out better for him. Romney and Huntsman are the only other likely candidates who can compete in the "sanity" category, but Romney is fatally flawed by RomneyCare, and Huntsman is flawed by his service in the Obama administration and by going pretty far in bucking the national GOP (supporting civil unions, strong bashing of Republicans, etc.). Meanwhile Pawlenty seems reasonable enough to be likely acceptable to the moderates and the party elites.

At the same time, Pawlenty doesn't have a lot of baggage (that I'm aware of) on social issues, and can woo the religious base without too much fear of "flip flop" attacks.

I think he's the one candidate that the moderates and radicals in the GOP can agree on, so I think things are very likely to go his way at this point.
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Pawlenty does have some baggage. I read an article a bit back about his governing of Minn. was kind of jacked up...if i recall correctly his budgets were not balanced (either he heavily borrowed or something). There were a few other things, which I cant recall. But it really changed my viewpoint on Pawlenty's chances. I really wish I could recall more details of it, but it was an eye opener. I am sure that stuff will come out. Either way, its really a weak field for hte GOP.

Oh, i bet Palin is not running. She has to flirt with it to keep up her lofty perch...but in the end i doubt she will run. if she does she has a chance of ruining the image she's built for herself over the last few years. And she's going to have to forego her money making operations.
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Isn't Pawlenty's biggest problem that he has the charisma of Michael Dukakis?
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Holman wrote:Isn't Pawlenty's biggest problem that he has the charisma of Michael Dukakis?
Pawlenty seems like a Republican John Kerry - bland, inoffensive and virtually guaranteed to lose a national election.
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Holman wrote:Isn't Pawlenty's biggest problem that he has the charisma of Michael Dukakis?
But he looks better in a helmet.
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Newcastle wrote:Pawlenty does have some baggage. I read an article a bit back about his governing of Minn. was kind of jacked up...if i recall correctly his budgets were not balanced (either he heavily borrowed or something). There were a few other things, which I cant recall. But it really changed my viewpoint on Pawlenty's chances. I really wish I could recall more details of it, but it was an eye opener. I am sure that stuff will come out. Either way, its really a weak field for hte GOP.

Oh, i bet Palin is not running. She has to flirt with it to keep up her lofty perch...but in the end i doubt she will run. if she does she has a chance of ruining the image she's built for herself over the last few years. And she's going to have to forego her money making operations.
She also has to show that she can commit to public service and not quit. I think the moving to Arizona rumors are interesting in this light and I could see her running for Senate (Kyl's seat is up in 2013), or being appointed if McCain steps down in preparation for a 2016 run.
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i dont see McCain running again. He's had his shot for one. Plus he was born in '36, so in the 15/16 time period he'd be 79-80.. and be president when he's 80-81. I see age being a serious issue there. Also presidential runs are very strenuous and i dont see him havin the stamina for it. Then he'd be 80-88 during his presidency (assuming 2 terms). Nah, McCain is done presidential. I think he works on his legacy from here on out, being a senior statesman for the party..etc.

Palin moving to Ariz. I think is probably much more to do with climate, and being a snowbird than anything else. I think her giving up the Governorship will very much hurt her and is indicative of her intentions. She's done with public service, though i think she will flirt with it to stay relevant. I think her future lies in being a media figure and acting as a conservative "cheerleader" (i hate using that term since it seems sexist almost) and rallying point.

Another weakness of hers is her solely using Fox as a media outlet, and not going on other channels. If she runs she has to expose herself to that...and look at the what the Katie Couric interview did to her. However, she could easily have spent the last several years doing some serious studying of political issues, economic issues, and other policy disciplines.
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Pyperkub wrote: She also has to show that she can commit to public service and not quit. I think the moving to Arizona rumors are interesting in this light and I could see her running for Senate (Kyl's seat is up in 2013), or being appointed if McCain steps down in preparation for a 2016 run.
Given that she quit her term and abdicated its responsibilities prematurely, shouldn't she be addressed by the media as "Mayor Palin" rather than "Governor Palin"?

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You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believed in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” don’t stop there, keep reading. Cause that’s when it says “when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.” We’ve got some altering and some abolishing to do!
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Holman wrote:Isn't Pawlenty's biggest problem that he has the charisma of Michael Dukakis?
speaking as a former Minnesotan resident, it's more that he was a shitty governor..
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hitbyambulance wrote:
Holman wrote:Isn't Pawlenty's biggest problem that he has the charisma of Michael Dukakis?
speaking as a former Minnesotan resident, it's more that he was a shitty governor..
As was Mitt Romney, who effectively quit to run for president halfway through his term. He lost his stomach for the job when he realized that being governor is not like being a CEO; the system does not take orders.

Dunno why he thinks the presidency will be any different. Maybe he just wants it on his resume.
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