OOWW: JLA ... GAME OVER!

[bb2112]

Fair enough, but it was unintentional. I didn't mean to imply that the events in those sentences happened in order.

What! An unintentional slip!? In all my 11 months of OO, I have never seen anything like it before!

[Austin]

 Remax West 
 

[Chaosraven]

VOTES

3 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

2 Mr Bubbles - purge, El Guapo

1 bb2112 - Lagom Lite
1 coopasonic - Newcastle
1 purge - Mr Bubbles
1 Isgrimnur - coopasonic
1 Austin - tru1cy
1 tru1cy - theohall
1 Newcastle - Qantaga
1 Remus West - Austin

[Unagi]

VOTES

3 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

CR, is your vote count correct?

[Unagi]

Yes, partly, Lagom's type of reaction to my accusal was what I was looking for, as well as how bb2112 handled it all, himself.

I'm really creeped out by how you're trying to emulate my behavior. And flattered!

Wow - I never really noticed the size of your head before.

[Chaosraven]

It was not, my apologies.


VOTES

4 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

2 Mr Bubbles - purge, El Guapo

1 bb2112 - Lagom Lite
1 coopasonic - Newcastle
1 purge - Mr Bubbles
1 Isgrimnur - coopasonic
1 Austin - tru1cy
1 tru1cy - theohall
1 Newcastle - Qantaga
1 Remus West - Austin

[Remus West]

Grund is not hard to read when Evil? Hmmmm....what games have you been playing? I feel like I can read him. I also feel like he is very difficult to get lynched regardless of his status. Hell, we had one of the first starship games (run by CR I believe) that he was scanned and announced as scanned three times before he finally got lynched.

[tru1cy]

Theohall what would you like for me to comment on? Day 1 is a crap shoot and I see no reason to change my vote. Now I might vote for Grundy if he continues to be absent

[Unagi]

Grund is not hard to read when Evil? Hmmmm....what games have you been playing? I feel like I can read him.

I can't understand what you are trying to say. Really? I have no trouble understanding it at all.

[coopasonic]

Grund is not hard to read when Evil? Hmmmm....what games have you been playing? I feel like I can read him.

I can't understand what you are trying to say. Really? I have no trouble understanding it at all.

nicely done

[Remus West]

Grund is not hard to read when Evil? Hmmmm....what games have you been playing? I feel like I can read him.

I can't understand what you are trying to say. Really? I have no trouble understanding it at all.

Heh. Should have read "I feel like I can not read him".

[bb2112]

VOTES

3 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

CR, is your vote count correct?

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! I MEAN VOTES!

[theohall]

Theohall what would you like for me to comment on? Day 1 is a crap shoot and I see no reason to change my vote. Now I might vote for Grundy if he continues to be absent

I don't know. Maybe something besides the same thing every Day One when Austin is involved? Doing the same thing every Day One when another specific member is involved is an excellent way to hide, though.

[Mr Bubbles]

VOTES

3 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

CR, is your vote count correct?

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! I MEAN VOTES!

Ok Jean Luc calm down. I am going to ask you again. How many lights do you see?

[Remus West]

 Grundbegriff 
 

Lets push him and see if we can not get him to begin contributing before our backs are against the wall.

[Austin]

 Grundbegriff 
 

Word.

[Grundbegriff]

Meep

[tru1cy]

Meep

that's it..  grundbegriff 
 

[Grundbegriff]

Meep

that's it..  grundbegriff 
 

Wrong play. I'm no longer silent!

[bb2112]

Since there is no deadline, the only way we are going to move things forward is if we start pushing induhviduals up to N-1. That or we start doing threat assessments, but I think day 1 threat assessments are kind of weak. That being said, they still may at least help build some kind of consensus.

Right now we have 2 front running candidates in LL and Grund. I believe we need to push one of these two up to N-1 and see what happens. Either that, or we can spin our wheels for a few more days, pick some arbitrary mistake like was vs is, and vote that person. It being day 1, with little to no information, at some point we going to have to pick someone.

I am sure I'm not saying anything that we aren't all thinking. I don't see the silents (Grund, Issy, Q, Tru1cy, ect) coming out until there is more information, and the rest of us (mostly me) will just keep posting nonsense because we have nothing else to go on. And without a deadline to drive us all to a decision, is there any huge benefit in waiting?

[Mr Bubbles]

So we have the lets poke the silents.
The analyzers.
The one who post just enough to go unnoticed.
We also have the silents.

What group would they mostly hide in. I'm in the camp of those posting just enough. I do find it cute that grund posts once and expects to be taken out of the silents.

[RMC]

So we have the lets poke the silents.
The analyzers.
The one who post just enough to go unnoticed.
We also have the silents.

What group would they mostly hide in. I'm in the camp of those posting just enough. I do find it cute that grund posts once and expects to be taken out of the silents.

He did actually post twice.

I am not sure which groups are the most likely to have wolves in them. My guess is that if they are good, they are in all those groups.

But there are also the powered good guys in some of those groups as well.

I always feel it is best to push the silents, as they are the ones not giving us anything to go on in the later game if we allow them to remain, and keep silent.

<shrug> With that said, I have a vote on LL, but could move to someone else if there is a case made for it.

[Unagi]

bb2112, you basically spoke my exact sentiment.

I find comments like this (and others like it) pretty amazing on Day 1.

Day 1 is a crap shoot and I see no reason to change my vote. Now I might vote for Grundy if he continues to be absent

tru1cy seems to be cool with an Austin or Grundbegriff shot in the dark, but for some random reason is steadfast against voting anywhere else?

Mr Bubbles, you actually seem to fit into the camp that you feel likely hides a few villains.

Regarding Grund. I'm sure he made his comment with the intended sarcastic humor it came with.

If we are going to make our Day 1 lynch choice hinge around the "Certainly not someone like Grundbegriff" argument that Lagom puts forth (not entirely a bad argument) - then who does that leave?

I'm unflattered that Lagom thinks that Grund is such a potential contribution to the late game so as to take him off the table on Day 1 - but he started the game with a vote on me. Cheers.

So then....

Who is it that is going to:
a) start this game with so few posts we will have little to go on later
b) end this game with so few posts the we will have little to go on later
c) play the game with such casual participation, even as a good-guy, he's unlikely to share any insights that can be leveraged by others.

Should we be voting for that guy on Day 1?

[Remus West]

I'm willing to keep my vote where it is and see if we get more than a "meep" as he nears the threshold of lynch.

[Lagom Lite]

Since there is no deadline, the only way we are going to move things forward is if we start pushing induhviduals up to N-1. That or we start doing threat assessments, but I think day 1 threat assessments are kind of weak. That being said, they still may at least help build some kind of consensus.

Right now we have 2 front running candidates in LL and Grund. I believe we need to push one of these two up to N-1 and see what happens. Either that, or we can spin our wheels for a few more days, pick some arbitrary mistake like was vs is, and vote that person. It being day 1, with little to no information, at some point we going to have to pick someone.

I am sure I'm not saying anything that we aren't all thinking. I don't see the silents (Grund, Issy, Q, Tru1cy, ect) coming out until there is more information, and the rest of us (mostly me) will just keep posting nonsense because we have nothing else to go on. And without a deadline to drive us all to a decision, is there any huge benefit in waiting?

There's normally no benefit in waiting in a deadlined game. Usually deadlines punish the good guys, the lack of deadline in this game is a luxury. I see you're in a hurry, and neither of your "front runners" are presently a good lynch choice.

Pushing me or Grund to n-1 is either insane or brilliant.

[Lagom Lite]

I'm unflattered that Lagom thinks that Grund is such a potential contribution to the late game so as to take him off the table on Day 1 - but he started the game with a vote on me. Cheers.

Blame the algorithm.

[Mr Bubbles]

I don't see Grund too motivated to vote at the moment. When he has put himself out there right away he's become the target. Grund has an unenviable position of having to manage his aggro faster than most. Newcastle while getting a little prodding, doesn't match Grund's. Honestly at this point I don't blame him for sitting back a bit at first.

[Remus West]

Pushing me or Grund to n-1 is either insane or brilliant.

We know you're in awe of Grund from your earlier remarks but I didn't realize you had such a high opinion of yourself.

[Isgrimnur]

That kind of thing is why I actually have taken breaks from the games. When it becomes evident that your presence makes you an outsized target, it becomes difficult to play. Every move, every deviation, is seen as a tell.

[Mr Bubbles]

That kind of thing is why I actually have taken breaks from the games. When it becomes evident that your presence makes you an outsized target, it becomes difficult to play. Every move, every deviation, is seen as a tell.

Except when it's not and you get killed and prove time after time that the people making the assumptions are wrong. I'm look at you Unagi!

[bb2112]

I'm willing to keep my vote where it is and see if we get more than a "meep" as he nears the threshold of lynch.

I was kind of hoping that the LL train would gain a little more momentum. My thoughts? So glad you asked: LL seems the most wolfy to me based on his posts. Especially for a Day 1 when we don't have a whole lot else to go with.

But if others don't share my vision, I will switch my vote to Grund either tonight or tomorrow. Assuming nothing new comes up, which I suspect it wont. As posted earlier, I would rather not stall out the game indefinitely.

[bb2112]

There's normally no benefit in waiting in a deadlined game. Usually deadlines punish the good guys, the lack of deadline in this game is a luxury. I see you're in a hurry, and neither of your "front runners" are presently a good lynch choice.

Pushing me or Grund to n-1 is either insane or brilliant.

So there is a lot of criticism, but I"m not hearing any substance.

Unless you are seeing something different, I find in these games that we tend to hit a point of inaction. That doesn't seem to change until a deadline forces people to make a consensus.

So maybe a more accurate question: Have we hit our point of no new tangible information yet, or do we think a few more days of discussion will yield better/more accurate results? I'm thinking we have either hit critical mass, or are very close. Your push to delay seems very self serving, especially when coupled with no real information to further find/lynch bad guys.

[Lassr]

I'm willing to keep my vote where it is and see if we get more than a "meep" as he nears the threshold of lynch.

I was kind of hoping that the LL train would gain a little more momentum. My thoughts? So glad you asked: LL seems the most wolfy to me based on his posts. Especially for a Day 1 when we don't have a whole lot else to go with.

But if others don't share my vision, I will switch my vote to Grund either tonight or tomorrow. Assuming nothing new comes up, which I suspect it wont. As posted earlier, I would rather not stall out the game indefinitely.

I share your vision. I'm not convinced he's a villain but at the moment he's my best guess. I have no problem switching to a silent either.
I'm playing blind darts right now, and I have plenty of darts!

[bb2112]

I'm willing to keep my vote where it is and see if we get more than a "meep" as he nears the threshold of lynch.

I was kind of hoping that the LL train would gain a little more momentum. My thoughts? So glad you asked: LL seems the most wolfy to me based on his posts. Especially for a Day 1 when we don't have a whole lot else to go with.

But if others don't share my vision, I will switch my vote to Grund either tonight or tomorrow. Assuming nothing new comes up, which I suspect it wont. As posted earlier, I would rather not stall out the game indefinitely.

I share your vision. I'm not convinced he's a villain but at the moment he's my best guess. I have no problem switching to a silent either.
I'm playing blind darts right now, and I have plenty of darts!

I also find it interesting that 3 others (you included) saw the same thing I did right away and voted. Then there was nothing more on LL. Not one other person has joined in on the train since. Does this mean we are on to something and the wolfy people are trying to derail and distract? Or are we that off base and nobody else sees it? It just seems very weird to me that we got up to 4 votes in a very short amount of time, then nothing...

[Chaosraven]

VOTES

4 Lagom Lite - bb2112, Unagi, RMC, Lassr

3 Grundbegriff - Remus West, Austin, tru1cy

2 Mr Bubbles - purge, El Guapo

1 bb2112 - Lagom Lite
1 coopasonic - Newcastle
1 purge - Mr Bubbles
1 Isgrimnur - coopasonic
1 tru1cy - theohall
1 Newcastle - Qantaga

[Isgrimnur]

Hell, we need a consensus of 9 people, and we haven't got anyone to even half that.

[El Guapo]

Ok, I'm going back through the possible hero roles this game, to make sure I know them well and to talk about how they might best be used.

Superman - passive power, immune to lynch, scans people upon lynch. Not really anything to do I think other than he can be a bit more reckless in exposing himself to lynching I suppose.

Wonder Woman - scanner role. One twist is that she can't scan the same person twice, so if someone's converted by Joker after her scan she would not be able to tell.

Batman - hero/villain tally, plus has the priest role of scanning the dead. Also can identify two-face. I guess his question would be figuring out when to come out, which would most likely be if/when he finds compelling information about the role of the dead, and/or if he can detect that a conversion occurred. Probably best laying low, I'd guess.

Green Arrow - shooter. Somewhat less risky using his shot since if he targets a normal then the normal does not die. Risk of a false positive if he targets Two-Face and Batman is not in the game (since Two-Face would come back as 'normal'). Question here is when to use his shot (and the risk of losing it via night kill). Not day 1, at any rate. Possibly target day 3 as a rough estimate for when we might ask him to come forward.

Martian Manhunter - must PM one other person each night, if either dies that night then both die. I think the trick here is that presumably the PM'd person could be a villain and could like to MM, so he can't really build a trusted network (though it seems like he could accidentally kill a villain if he PMs them and the villains pick MM as the kill that night). Could collect a list of possible claims from PM targets and post them for cross-checking by the group (though presumably villains would claim to be normals).

Green Lantern - negates powers up to three times. Seems dangerous for him to use it randomly as he could wind up negating our scanner and other roles just as likely as he'd negate a villain power.

Wonder Twins - can PM with each other, and undervote if they both go for the same person. Seems like they could easily prove themselves by announcing and then both voting for one person.

Elongated Man - first kill attempt on him misses. Passive power, not much to do.

Doctor Fate - scanner with option to do a one-word PM instead of scanning. Mindburst (5 word PM to one player if killed at night) is very useful to preserve knowledge if he gets killed, though he'd need to have a proven that he could rely on transmitting to for it to work reliably.

Flash - standard protector role. Is not (from what I can tell) killed if he protects a wolf. Probably should low to avoid drawing villain attention

Captain Marvel - has power to auto-prove himself. Seems mainly useful to narrow the pool of possible villains once the field starts to narrow.

Hawkman and Hawkwoman - joint shooter role - know each other but can't PM. Twist here is that we would lose their shooter ability if one of them winds up getting lynched or killed. Would seem reckless to use it on day 1 (when it would likely miss), but delaying it too long risks losing it. Question would be if available using it on day 2 or delaying it until day 3 or later.

Atom - Can't be night killed unless his identity is known. His main goal is likely to be to avoid drawing lynch attention.


Anyways, mostly just reviewing this for my own benefit and so people have in mind the possible roles for when we might want to use them.

[Remus West]

I'm voting for Grund because he is not contributing right now. Lagom, while I have some questions about him, is contributing so there will be stuff to help decisions made regarding him later. If Grund starts contributing I will likely go after someone else in the "Here but effectively useless currently" pile.

[bb2112]

Hell, we need a consensus of 9 people, and we haven't got anyone to even half that.

So why don't you have a vote out there? I see the silents and the people that will only vote for one or two targets that nobody else is voting for as part of the problem, not the solution.

I may be wrong, but I believe you and Grund are the only 2 without votes.

[Isgrimnur]

 bb2112 
 


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