Othello, The Moor of Venice (GAME OVER!)

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:33 pm

withdraw triggercut

blackbird of order (aka Chaosraven)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:00 pm

bb2112

and you are right Newcastle, it is a slow game, which makes it much harder to find anything to analyze. Right now I have that one post of BB that bothered me.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:42 pm

Lassr, the post was meant to stir the pot. That is why it was kind of vague. But it also was meant to point a finger at some the older, more wylie contingent of players. I consider myself and RMC to be newer additions to the game. So when I say older players, I am more focused on the rest of you. I also don't think NC would have exhibited that kill pattern. Which now leaves a smaller pool. You are my top suspect. Followed closely
by CR and Stess.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:58 pm

anyone else fascinated by Q's posts? I am. And i have an idea of maybe why he was killed...actually i have two divergent either/or theory on why he was killed. I wonder if anyone else sees it, or I am just hanging w/ Rev hempus again!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:12 pm

I have a theory on why he was picked, but hope I'm incorrect. I think that either Q was Othello, or that at least the badguys thought he was.

His first vote on stessier is why my vote's on stess right now.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:21 pm

triggercut wrote:I have a theory on why he was picked, but hope I'm incorrect. I think that either Q was Othello, or that at least the badguys thought he was.

His first vote on stessier is why my vote's on stess right now.

what makes you think that? Any clues that he dropped that'd make you think that? reason am asking is he dropped that big ass quote at the beginging...then theohall corrected him and saying wrong novel (am paraphrasing). Was actually gonna ask if anyone saw anything in those quotes or if their source is of any significance.

Q also pointed toward holman as well i believe.

Anyone run the numbers if the traitor has crossed over to team evil? 8 left right.....i think we'd be close to 1 miss then right? if the traitor has crossed over? 3 team evil...5 good...we miss...we lose....
if no conversion - then 2 evil, 6 good...and we have till tomorrow...or else we lose.

So i'd almost think we really need to put on our thinking caps...or else we're dangerously close to losing.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:49 pm

Newcastle wrote:anyone else fascinated by Q's posts?

Could it just be a quote for atmosphere or is he dropping a hint? These days I find it rare if someone is dropping hints that means anything and is not a diversion of some sort.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:56 pm

bb2112 wrote: But it also was meant to point a finger at some the older, more wylie contingent of players. I consider myself and RMC to be newer additions to the game. So when I say older players, I am more focused on the rest of you. .

So what makes the death of LL and Q a wily old vet move?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:13 pm

RMC wrote:
stessier wrote:You know Remus is dead, right? Might have something to do with his silence...oh, and he's a good guy.
Well yes, I do know that. I also know that BB and Chaos did not really push for his lynch at all. Or st least did not seem to.
<shrug> It might be nothing, but usually there is more 'ribbing' between the three.

Against Remus West(5): Newcastle, Newcastle, Lassr, Chaosraven, theohall, RMC, stessier, Newcastle

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:15 pm

triggercut wrote:Let's see what this does.

stessier

As far as I can tell, the only thing it does it put you safely in the middle of an ill conceived vote.

Why is everyone ignoring Holman? Think back to your first game. Didn't you ask way more questions than he has? Didn't you post way more just trying to figure things out??

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:18 pm

Newcastle, RMC, Holman.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:23 pm

stessier wrote:
triggercut wrote:Let's see what this does.

stessier

As far as I can tell, the only thing it does it put you safely in the middle of an ill conceived vote.

Why is everyone ignoring Holman? Think back to your first game. Didn't you ask way more questions than he has? Didn't you post way more just trying to figure things out??

not ignoring holman, and youre point is amazingly valid.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:29 pm

I've been suspicious of your motives before, stessier, and your "look, guys, kill Holman" stuff makes me more and more intrigued.

I'm sorry, but if I'm on a team of wiley veteran badguys, stessier is far up the list as someone worth taking down early in a game.

He's still here.

I'm going to need some real convincing here that my vote is misplaced.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:31 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, RMC, Holman.

Why?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:25 am

Tuesday: Votes

theohall acc stessier(1)
Newcastle acc triggercut(1)
stessier acc Holman(1)
Holman acc stessier(2)
triggercut acc stessier(3)
Newcastle wd triggercut(0)
Newcastle acc Chaosraven(1)
Lassr acc bb2112(1)

Against stessier(3): theohall, Holman, triggercut
Against triggercut(0): Newcastle
Against Holman(1): stessier
Against Chaosraven(1): Newcastle
Against bb2112(1): Lassr

Votes requires for a majority: 5

No vote registered:
bb2112, Chaosraven, RMC

Men of Infinite Jest

Lagom Lite
Qantaga
Remus West

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:31 am

triggercut wrote:I've been suspicious of your motives before, stessier, and your "look, guys, kill Holman" stuff makes me more and more intrigued.

I'm sorry, but if I'm on a team of wiley veteran badguys, stessier is far up the list as someone worth taking down early in a game.

He's still here.

I'm going to need some real convincing here that my vote is misplaced.

So you are voting for me for having the audacity to be alive on Day 2? Wow.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:52 am

Well, to be fair, that is pretty nervy on your part.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:26 am

bb2112 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, RMC, Holman.
Why?

I would also like to know why... Newcastle and myself called you out. Holman, well he is just Holman.

I actually have a feeling about Newcastle as well....

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:46 am

bb2112 wrote:Well, to be fair, that is pretty nervy on your part.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:23 am

stessier wrote: Why is everyone ignoring Holman? Think back to your first game. Didn't you ask way more questions than he has? Didn't you post way more just trying to figure things out??

I figure if I watch and listen long enough, I'll eventually get it. That's how Shakespeare works!

I also suspect that my naive questions will give away more than they get...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:51 am

Holman wrote:I also suspect that my naive questions will give away more than they get...

Hmm. And what could they "give away"?

That statement alone draws interest.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:02 pm

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle, RMC, Holman.
Why?
I would also like to know why... Newcastle and myself called you out. Holman, well he is just Holman.

I actually have a feeling about Newcastle as well....

good to hear your good guy sniffer is working...now...go find us more good guys so we can nab the bad ones!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:13 pm

so what i found interestnig about Q's post is that he basically points a finger at 3 people: lassr, holman & stessier.

1. he "humorously" mentions Lassr in context of zombies and lassr is eating
2. He points at holman as well - and wonders if he is playing naively or plw's "fetch me a rope"
3. He also spends some quality attacking Stessier as having jumped on a bandwagon that could apply to stessier.

those I think are the meaty posts of his and i think what could have led him in trouble.

Now to the second phase of this. - Say he was othello - could he have scanned one of those peopel? Would you have? If evil suspected that he was Othello - and were nervous when he pointed a finger at one of those three and they decided to kill him because of that?

Next permutation -
Say he is not evil - but managed to point a finger at an evil person within this context, and evil thought it best to take him out because of such. Could that be a cause for his death?

Next step -
-Say none of the above is true, and the main reason they took out Qantaga was that he made a good target. Say 1. he didnt really point at any of them? 2. It would throw the rest of the group off the tracks and would go after one of the three....in essence laying a false trail for peopel to follow.

Just various options to think about Q is all. LL wasnt around really long enough to really figure out why he was killed. though I will say it was pretty damn mean...taking out a guy after coming back frmo a lengthy hiatus.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:15 pm

Oh do remember, we have at MOST 2 misses...and could very well have only 1 miss as of right now. (thats not even taking into account the two-fer thing they can do with that chick & othello)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:15 pm

Newcastle wrote:Next permutation -
Say he is not evil - but managed to point a finger at an evil person within this context, and evil thought it best to take him out because of such. Could that be a cause for his death?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm

stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Next permutation -
Say he is not evil - but managed to point a finger at an evil person within this context, and evil thought it best to take him out because of such. Could that be a cause for his death?

i really should preview stuff...let me go back and put in context...was just...blah

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:17 pm

Newcastle wrote:so what i found interestnig about Q's post is that he basically points a finger at 3 people: lassr, holman & stessier.

1. he "humorously" mentions Lassr in context of zombies and lassr is eating
2. He points at holman as well - and wonders if he is playing naively or plw's "fetch me a rope"
3. He also spends some quality attacking Stessier as having jumped on a bandwagon that could apply to stessier.

those I think are the meaty posts of his and i think what could have led him in trouble.

Now to the second phase of this. - Say he was othello - could he have scanned one of those peopel? Would you have? If evil suspected that he was Othello - and were nervous when he pointed a finger at one of those three and they decided to kill him because of that?

Next permutation -
Say he is not OTHELLO- but managed to point a finger at an evil person within this context, and evil thought it best to take him out because of such. Could that be a cause for his death?

Next step -
-Say none of the above is true, and the main reason they took out Qantaga was that he made a good target. Say 1. he didnt really point at any of them? 2. It would throw the rest of the group off the tracks and would go after one of the three....in essence laying a false trail for peopel to follow.

Just various options to think about Q is all. LL wasnt around really long enough to really figure out why he was killed. though I will say it was pretty damn mean...taking out a guy after coming back frmo a lengthy hiatus.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:17 pm

Newcastle wrote:Oh do remember, we have at MOST 2 misses...and could very well have only 1 miss as of right now. (thats not even taking into account the two-fer thing they can do with that chick & othello)

What does that matter? Are we going to suddenly try harder now?

I think it crazy to worry about a conversion until we have found an Evil guy. Until then, we're just shooting in the dark with nothing to judge anyway.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:18 pm

as you well notice i just edited the post above - it was for easier to read purposes, just 2 posts above.

I had mistakenly placed Othello in quotes...thereby gargantuating the quote. I felt it was a simple thing to do which wouldnt ruffle any no edit feathers.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:19 pm

stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Oh do remember, we have at MOST 2 misses...and could very well have only 1 miss as of right now. (thats not even taking into account the two-fer thing they can do with that chick & othello)
What does that matter? Are we going to suddenly try harder now?

I think it crazy to worry about a conversion until we have found an Evil guy. Until then, we're just shooting in the dark with nothing to judge anyway.

why? because of trains taking too soon. People are more sober in their decissions, when they realize the game could be over. Yeah - i'd worry about it and its in the back of my mind. not that we're on any rush here or anythign...just be wary of trains is all.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Oh do remember, we have at MOST 2 misses...and could very well have only 1 miss as of right now. (thats not even taking into account the two-fer thing they can do with that chick & othello)
What does that matter? Are we going to suddenly try harder now?

I think it crazy to worry about a conversion until we have found an Evil guy. Until then, we're just shooting in the dark with nothing to judge anyway.
why? because of trains taking too soon. People are more sober in their decissions, when they realize the game could be over. Yeah - i'd worry about it and its in the back of my mind. not that we're on any rush here or anythign...just be wary of trains is all.

This voting is a train? You been taking Grund's optimism pills?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:27 pm

well if this were a senior center...this would be like the bullet train to lynchville.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:35 pm

Newcastle wrote: 1. he "humorously" mentions Lassr in context of zombies and lassr is eating
.

just so everyone knows, that is from a game tgb ran using our names.
viewtopic.php?p=1939300#p1939300" target="_blank

So I'm not sure what he could have deduced about me right when the game had started and then used this somehow as a hint.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:31 pm

withdraw stessier

Holman

He and triggercut both seemed to want stessier offed yesterday also for some reason. Are they in cahoots and let us off Remus West, because he is an easy first day target due to relatively recent events? Or is this completely off the wall?

I don't know. Seems to me many are following this advice: Listen to many, speak to a few.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:58 pm

Methinks I'd better start asking questions!

First of all, do I win by getting killed or by not getting killed?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:13 pm

Holman wrote:Methinks I'd better start asking questions!

First of all, do I win by getting killed or by not getting killed?

well theres several ways to look at it...

if you are a good guy normal villager...its ok to get lynched earlier...in fact its pretty preferable outside of a evil one...so at times you kind of have to bite the bullet and realize that in order for the good guy team...some good guys are going to die.

-if you are a good guy special - you want to try to survive. If you are a scanner (ie othello in this game) you want to reveal your scans sooner rather than later. Ie around day 2-4 depending on the size of the game and your general belief of your survivability.

- if you are a scanner...even if you have scanned 2 good guys...thats also a very good thing, and especially if they are still alive, since that narrows the pool down significantly of what we have to look through.

if you are on team evil...you got to try your damndest to survive. But sometimes

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:14 pm

also think team game here...there are real no real individual victories here...this is by far a team game. so you win when your team wins...and you lose...if your team loses.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:28 pm

Lassr

I think CR is our other bad guy. His list of bad guys didn't make sense.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:48 pm

ya know, i'd hate to vote for lassr because he's actually participating.

BUT...yeah he's high on my list of bad guys and he's been the one the most giving me the heebie jeebies
throughout this whole game.

withdraw CR

Lassr

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:54 pm

Tuesday: Votes

theohall acc stessier(1)
Newcastle acc triggercut(1)
stessier acc Holman(1)
Holman acc stessier(2)
triggercut acc stessier(3)
Newcastle wd triggercut(0)
Newcastle acc Chaosraven(1)
Lassr acc bb2112(1)
theohall wd stessier(2)
theohall acc Holman(2)
bb2112 acc Lassr(1)
Newcastle wd Chaosraven(0)
Newcastle acc Lassr(2)

Against stessier(2): theohall, Holman, triggercut
Against triggercut(0): Newcastle
Against Holman(1): stessier, theohall
Against Chaosraven(0): Newcastle
Against bb2112(1): Lassr
Against Lassr(2): bb2112, Newcastle

Votes requires for a majority: 5

No vote registered:
Chaosraven, RMC

Men of Infinite Jest

Lagom Lite
Qantaga
Remus West