That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Incidentally, the narrative here (as Trump tells it) is bullshit.Exodor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:00 am Trump ordered an attack on Iran, then changed his mind.
WTF
We already are "yanking their chain" in several ways. This is why they are doing risky shit like shooting down drones the first place. We're arming their enemies in the region and imposing heavy sanctions.Drazzil wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:34 pmIf Iran did shoot down one of our drones, in international waters [I know, a mighty big IF] I'd love to see the US yank on their chain a bit. Mess with their infrastructure or something for a few days, just in the areas where the leadership live. Something completely deniable. Bonus points for manufacturing evidence that an ally did it... Say Russia.
It is important to acknowledge an adversary's strengths and successes, even when they're only of the stopped clock/blind squirrel variety. Trump at least has anti-war instincts, even though he created this Iran crisis by withdrawing from the treaty, embargoing their oil, encouraging their enemies, and surrounding himself with hawks.
I think he is mostly just amazed that they are willing to stand up to his bullying. He, himself, is too much the coward to ever consider that they might be willing to go to war over things they view as principles.Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:50 amIt is important to acknowledge an adversary's strengths and successes, even when they're only of the stopped clock/blind squirrel variety. Trump at least has anti-war instincts, even though he created this Iran crisis by withdrawing from the treaty, embargoing their oil, encouraging their enemies, and surrounding himself with hawks.
But yeah, "erratic" is not an encouraging quality. This is still likely to end badly.
So I guess the cyberwar is on.President Trump approved an offensive cyberstrike that disabled Iranian computer systems used to control rocket and missile launches, even as he backed away from a conventional military attack in response to its downing Thursday of an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone, according to people familiar with the matter.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iran’s alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
The strike against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was coordinated with U.S. Central Command, the military organization with purview of activity throughout the Middle East, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the operation remains extremely sensitive.
Though crippling to Iran’s military command and control systems, the operation did not involve a loss of life or civilian casualties — a contrast to conventional strikes, which the president said he called back Thursday because they would not be “proportionate.”
The administration on Saturday warned industry officials to be alert for cyberattacks originating from Iran.
I'm certainly not an elitist liberal and while I don't object, on principle, to US intervention around the globe I don't think I'm a war hawk either. What bothers me about trump (ya know this time) is his erratic behavior. Bomb them, don't bomb them. But pick one. Saying you were going to bomb but backed out makes you look weak and indecisive. Saying you did it for easily disproven BS lies makes you look scared. Iran already knows we can hit them with literally anything (including nukes...tho there's obvious, serious problems with that tactic). We effectively threaten Iran every day we share the same planet with them. Telling them you are threatening them gains us nothing.
This scares me because all that I read says our cyber defences aren't that great.Max Peck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:44 am Trump approved cyber-strikes against Iran’s missile systemsSo I guess the cyberwar is on.President Trump approved an offensive cyberstrike that disabled Iranian computer systems used to control rocket and missile launches, even as he backed away from a conventional military attack in response to its downing Thursday of an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone, according to people familiar with the matter.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iran’s alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
The strike against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was coordinated with U.S. Central Command, the military organization with purview of activity throughout the Middle East, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the operation remains extremely sensitive.
Though crippling to Iran’s military command and control systems, the operation did not involve a loss of life or civilian casualties — a contrast to conventional strikes, which the president said he called back Thursday because they would not be “proportionate.”
The administration on Saturday warned industry officials to be alert for cyberattacks originating from Iran.
This is an area where the best defense really is a good offense. Cyber attacks can be launched without warning, and their origin can be obscured or misdirected (e.g., a Chinese attack could be made to look like it came from Iran or Russia or NK). This being a highly secretive realm, it could escalate out of control before the public even realizes it's happening. You want to be really, really careful before you take down an adversary's power grid or water supply or financial system...especially if that adversary is known to be highly capable.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:43 pmThis scares me because all that I read says our cyber defences aren't that great.Max Peck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:44 am Trump approved cyber-strikes against Iran’s missile systemsSo I guess the cyberwar is on.President Trump approved an offensive cyberstrike that disabled Iranian computer systems used to control rocket and missile launches, even as he backed away from a conventional military attack in response to its downing Thursday of an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone, according to people familiar with the matter.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iran’s alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
The strike against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was coordinated with U.S. Central Command, the military organization with purview of activity throughout the Middle East, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the operation remains extremely sensitive.
Though crippling to Iran’s military command and control systems, the operation did not involve a loss of life or civilian casualties — a contrast to conventional strikes, which the president said he called back Thursday because they would not be “proportionate.”
The administration on Saturday warned industry officials to be alert for cyberattacks originating from Iran.
You would think, but North Korea, Syria, China and Russia have all made fools of the US at some point. Given further consideration I think a cyberattack by Russia in retaliation would be my biggest fear.Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:21 pmThis is an area where the best defense really is a good offense. Cyber attacks can be launched without warning, and their origin can be obscured or misdirected (e.g., a Chinese attack could be made to look like it came from Iran or Russia or NK). This being a highly secretive realm, it could escalate out of control before the public even realizes it's happening. You want to be really, really careful before you take down an adversary's power grid or water supply or financial system...especially if that adversary is known to be highly capable.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:43 pmThis scares me because all that I read says our cyber defences aren't that great.Max Peck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:44 am Trump approved cyber-strikes against Iran’s missile systemsSo I guess the cyberwar is on.President Trump approved an offensive cyberstrike that disabled Iranian computer systems used to control rocket and missile launches, even as he backed away from a conventional military attack in response to its downing Thursday of an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone, according to people familiar with the matter.
The cyberstrikes, launched Thursday night by personnel with U.S. Cyber Command, were in the works for weeks if not months, according to two of these people, who said the Pentagon proposed launching them after Iran’s alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.
The strike against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was coordinated with U.S. Central Command, the military organization with purview of activity throughout the Middle East, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the operation remains extremely sensitive.
Though crippling to Iran’s military command and control systems, the operation did not involve a loss of life or civilian casualties — a contrast to conventional strikes, which the president said he called back Thursday because they would not be “proportionate.”
The administration on Saturday warned industry officials to be alert for cyberattacks originating from Iran.
That said, I would expect that US capabilities run rings around Iran.
League of Legends has been blocked in Iran and Syria due to rising political tensions between the two countries and the United States, meaning players in both regions can no longer access one of the most popular games in the world.
The relationship between Iran and the U.S. has deteriorated rapidly in recent weeks after the Iranian army shot down a U.S. drone it claimed had crossed into its airspace -- although U.S. military officials maintain the drone was in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz.
The U.S. Government responded to that incident by tightening sanctions on Iran and its strategic ally Syria, and is now preventing League players in both countries from accessing Riot Games' popular MOBA.
As spotted by Dot Esports, anyone who tries to play the game are simply shown a message that reads "due to U.S. laws and regulations, players in your country cannot access League of Legends at this time."
And just like that, tough talking Republican war hawk becomes little scared rabbit with no backbone.
Depends on whether you want other countries to know you're doing it.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:15 am I thought the win conditions for cyberwarefare included not announcing to the world that you are conducting cyberwarefare. At least while you were engaged is said warfare.
I don't think you'll find me having said much that was hawk like.
Most of what I say is that if an enemy isn't worthy of a nuclear response then we shouldn't be involving ourselves as they aren't bad enough.This is hilarious. Then I remember how he's fucked our country and I'm sad again.hepcat wrote:We had diplomacy at work for us until you folks voted in Cletus McOrangeFuck and the Inbred Jug Band.
Can we just put that bullshit to bed, finally?
TL;DWTR:THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the international deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds.
The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.
That left people, businesses and governments in each country indebted to partners in the other, and these complex claims took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses.
The day after the nuclear deal was implemented, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the claim over the 1970s military equipment order, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane, which gave rise to Trump’s dramatic accounts of money stuffed in barrels or boxes and delivered in the dead of night. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later, not crammed into containers.
Can we just put that bullshit to bed, finally?
TL;DWTR:THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the international deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds.
The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.
That left people, businesses and governments in each country indebted to partners in the other, and these complex claims took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses.
The day after the nuclear deal was implemented, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the claim over the 1970s military equipment order, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane, which gave rise to Trump’s dramatic accounts of money stuffed in barrels or boxes and delivered in the dead of night. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later, not crammed into containers.
While these are not the words I would have chosen, you do raise a good (and easily overlooked) point: The US has squandered its soft power. What diplomacy still takes place is a joke; nobody -- not even our allies -- trusts this administration, and rightly so. We capriciously cut foreign aid and impose tariffs willy-nilly. Goodwill toward America, always provisional, has all but disappeared. All that's left is hard power and threats.
Sort of makes me wish the Federales had seized my assets in 1983 and returned them in 2017. ...or that they put everything they take in for social security in whatever account they made sure to place Iran's moola in. Moola for Mullahs. LMAO Maybe they raided that as well and we're actually out an additional $400M?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:11 pm The $400M was a refund for an arms deal from the 70s, plus ~$1.4B in interest.
Cyber pros are looking to history for guidance as they brace for retaliation following a U.S. cyberattack against Iran’s military command and control systems last week.
Iran has been one of the United States’ most consistent digital foes during the past decade. It’s also among the most nettlesome, with hackers targeting a broad swath of victims ranging from banks and hospitals to universities and government agencies.
Those digital strikes demonstrate patterns that might reveal how the Islamic Republic could use its hacking capabilities in an evolving tit-for-tat conflict that has included sanctions, cyber and physical attacks, and brinkmanship over Iran’s nuclear program, cyber pros told me.
“They want to punish us. They want to make a point, but they don’t want to do it in a way that leads to airstrikes,” Lewis said.
That could mean a series of attacks against smaller targets, such as pipelines or smaller electrical utilities, none of which rises to a level that necessitates a U.S. response, Lewis said.
Iran might also target U.S. allies in the Persian Gulf, which would hurt U.S. interests but make it tougher to justify a U.S. counterstrike, he said.
Iran also has a long history of digital strikes in the Gulf region, most prominently a massive 2012 cyberstrike against the Saudi state oil company Saudi Aramco, which destroyed or damaged the contents of thousands of computers and temporarily endangered the flow of a substantial portion of the world’s oil supply.
Finally, Iran is likely to aim for easy and poorly defended targets rather than go after a major company that’s better defended, Geoff Hancock, a principal at the company Advanced Cybersecurity Group, told me.
That means Iran is unlikely to target financial firms, which have vastly improved their defenses since Iran’s 2012 denial of service attacks, and they’re unlikely to aim for well-defended military targets, he said.
“They attack targets of opportunity,” Hancock said.
The oil and gas sector, which is generally a step behind the financial sector in developing digital protections, may be a possible target, though, Adam Meyers, vice president for intelligence at the cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, told me.
“Oil and gas is a pretty routine target for Iranian intrusion, whether for intelligence collection or for disruptive or destructive attacks,” he said.
