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If you subscribe to the thinking that the earth is a living entity then this can be construed as a immune response.Victoria Raverna wrote:So maybe it is better not trying to stop the outbreak. Let it spread to the whole world. Maybe by sacrificing 2% or less of world population to this virus, we'll avoid climate change.
This is where I ask someone like Smoove_B what this means. To me, the local and state responses which are good can't act because they have no visibility into the problem. Hopefully there is more that can be done but essentially this person is all on their own. Our government is failing her. Hopefully this gets the attention it deserves because this is heartbreaking *and* frustrating.
Yeah, this is a mess and it's a perfect example of how our systems will get overwhelmed by the worried-well (in this case, the phone line). She's not a worried-well person, but she can't easiyl get the answers she needs.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:00 amThis is where I ask someone like Smoove_B what this means. To me, the local and state responses which are good can't act because they have no visibility into the problem. Hopefully there is more that can be done but essentially this person is all on their own. Our government is failing her. Hopefully this gets the attention it deserves because this is heartbreaking *and* frustrating.
Bruce Aylward - assistant director general and veteran epidemiologist at WHO
Right. [But many still think] it’s a runny nose and cold. Your population is your surveillance system. Everybody has got a smartphone, everybody can get a thermometer. That is your surveillance system. Don’t rely on this hitting your health system, because then it’s going to infect it. You’ve got this great surveillance system out there — make sure the surveillance system is primed. Make sure you’re ready to act on the signals that come in from that surveillance system. You’ve got to be set up to rapidly assess whether or not they really have those symptoms, test those people, and, if necessary, isolate and trace their contacts.
Here, again, is where I’ve seen things starting to break down. What I’ve been told is if you think you’ve been exposed and have a fever, call your [general practitioner]. We’ve got to be better than that. If we are going to use our GPs — do they have an emergency line where you can get through? Do they know what to do?
In China, they have set up a giant network of fever hospitals. In some areas, a team can go to you and swab you and have an answer for you in four to seven hours. But you’ve got to be set up — speed is everything.
So make sure your people know [about the virus]. Make sure you have mechanisms for working with them very quickly through your health system. Then enough public health infrastructure to investigate cases, identify the close contacts, and then make sure they remain under surveillance. That’s 90 percent of the Chinese response.
A student whose classmates met and shook hands with Vice President Mike Pence has reportedly been put under quarantine after his mom came into contact with a patient who tested positive for coronavirus
The Herald Tribune reported that the mother came in contact with an infected person through her “professional role” but neither of the two are exhibiting any symptoms of the coronavirus. On Friday, Sarasota cadets shook hands and posed for photos with Pence, who was in Sarasota for a fundraiser. The Pentagon is said to have been in touch with the school about the student.
He made that case in an op-ed article published in 2000 and has made no public effort to update his position since.
"Time for a quick reality check," Pence wrote. "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer."
More importantly:To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.
Bigger picture:While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.
Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.
In closing:Some countries are looking for cases of COVID-19 using surveillance systems for influenza and other respiratory diseases.
Countries such as China, Ghana, Singapore and elsewhere have found very few cases of COVID-19 among such samples – or no cases at all.
The only way to be sure is by looking for COVID-19 antibodies in large numbers of people, and several countries are now doing those studies. This will give us further insight into the extent of infection in populations over time.
Well...we're boned.Once again, this is a question of solidarity. This cannot be solved by WHO alone, or one industry alone. It requires all of us working together to ensure all countries can protect the people who protect the rest of us.
Alex Azar says that scientists have developed a potential vaccine after three days.
We’re underway. No audio or video permitted but photos OK per @WhiteHouse.
The administration that will be investigating the nursing home's compliance with regulations is the administration that is currently proposing to roll back nursing home regulations aimed at preventing infections from spreading in nursing homes.
There isn't a WTF .gif that adequately captures my sentiment. I hope the press has special flop-sweat sensitive lenses on their cameras.
Trump looming behind his experts while they talk to the cameras tells you everything you need to know.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:40 pm These guys are panicking. Fauci had to jump in and put the pin back in that grenade. This is surreal. It would only have been better if a reporter had yelled out 'can you back up this bullshit' claim'.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/ ... 3512242176
Alex Azar says that scientists have developed a potential vaccine after three days.
Confirmation that a treatment works is Phase II, and comparison to a placebo isn't until Phase III. Notice how Trump is silently hiding behind his minions, who will inevitably be thrown under the bus when the sham is revealed. While Trump will claim he never lied, despite orchestrating the entire show for his personal political benefit.Phase I studies of a new drug are usually the first that involve people. The main reason for doing phase I studies is to find the highest dose of the new treatment that can be given safely without serious side effects. Although the treatment has been tested in lab and animal studies, the side effects in people can’t always be predicted. These studies also help to decide on the best way to give the new treatment. American Cancer Society
I think Fauci knows he has some leverage. He knows if he is asked to resign or is replaced it will not look good for Trump. So he will tell the truth whenever he can.
I have degrees in political science and law, and the band aid I applied to my son's foot yesterday is still on there today, so screw you!Smoove_B wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:54 pm I want to remind everyone that Secretary Azar has degrees in government/economics and law. Medically speaking, I wouldn't trust him to apply a band-aid,
I work for a major communications company some of you may have heard of, and we have similar restrictions.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:37 pm I work for a major consultant firm and we just got guidance that generally discourages all travel (even domestic). There are prohibitions against any work travel to certain countries. Any other international travel has to be approved. Wow.
I'm at a fortune 500 and we have 4 countries completely banned, even for layovers. No comments on domestic travel yet, though.ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:46 amI work for a major communications company some of you may have heard of, and we have similar restrictions.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:37 pm I work for a major consultant firm and we just got guidance that generally discourages all travel (even domestic). There are prohibitions against any work travel to certain countries. Any other international travel has to be approved. Wow.
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I have been advised not to talk about my company that way on social media, but GM just publicly stated in the USstessier wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:54 am I'm at a fortune 500 and we have 4 countries completely banned, even for layovers. No comments on domestic travel yet, though.
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I have two consultants currently working with a US federal agency in Pakistan. They are headed to Afghanistan on Saturday to work there for three weeks. The medical directors in both locations downplayed any concerns and there are no restrictions. They both sounded shocked when we expressed concerns about coming, which was surprising.malchior wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:37 pm I work for a major consultant firm and we just got guidance that generally discourages all travel (even domestic). There are prohibitions against any work travel to certain countries. Any other international travel has to be approved. Wow.
). Any international engagements are decided on a case-by-case basis.
Me too!Kraken wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:20 pm I work alone at home, and have determined that emergency measures are unnecessary.
So this is someone who screens others for it. I assume then that that person got past this person and is now infecting others in LA.Los Angeles coronavirus patient is a medical screener at LAX airport
From CNN's Cheri Mossburg
One of the newly announced coronavirus cases in Los Angeles county is a medical screener at Los Angeles International Airport, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
This contract worker had not been at work for more than a week before developing symptoms, DHS says. It is unclear whether the virus was contracted through their work with travelers or via community spread.
The patient is currently isolated at home with mild symptoms.
