Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:41 am
They're probably responding to all the federal cases against similar defendants each year - how out of control prosecution is and that our prison system is filled with people like Hunter Biden.
Surprise, but no!
They are actually commenting that prosecuting Biden, a guy who has been sober for years, for purchasing a gun while an addict is a terrible use of prosecutorial resources and unjust. Gowdy says it sends a really bad message to be going after an addict who turned his life around (at least as related to substance abuse). Graham argues that it’s exceptional to charge someone for lying about drug use on a form when buying a gun when that is the only criminal conduct associated with the gun purchase.
Maybe for the first time ever, I think they are right.
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em2nought wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:05 pm
Wow, Hunter gets sacrificed for some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.
Sucks when you realize the guy YOU follow isn't really the law and order guy, while the one you think hates that is the only one actually endorsing it.
Also, you got that evidence there was voter fraud yet? We're STILL waiting.
Kurth wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:38 pm
Maybe for the first time ever, I think they are right.
Yeah, I think they are as well. The question is, who is the target audience for their message then? Again, I have to believe this is causing significant angst in certain GOP circles.
em2nought wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:05 pm
Wow, Hunter gets sacrificed for some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.
Sucks when you realize the guy YOU follow isn't really the law and order guy, while the one you think hates that is the only one actually endorsing it.
Also, you got that evidence there was voter fraud yet? We're STILL waiting.
From what I understand, HBiden has a pretty good shot at an appeal and there's an outside chance that it goes to the SCROTUS re: drugs and guns.
Parlatore said if Hunter Biden appeals, it’s likely that various groups with interests in seeing this law rolled back will submit amicus curiae briefs. These are submitted to the court by individuals or organizations that are not a direct party in the case but want to contribute more information.
“There are a lot of veterans that I know that have to make a choice of do they want to get a medical marijuana card or do they want to keep their firearms?” Parlatore said. “Hunter Biden has the opportunity, potentially, to take this to the Supreme Court and say ‘you can do both.’”
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
I wish I was in a focus group from one of these breathless media clown shows, and I could ask them who Hunter Biden is. And after they explained it to me, I could ask what he has done. And when that's explained to me, I could ask them to clarify that he checked a box on a form that he knew was the wrong box, and that's what all this media frenzy is about.
Even if I gave a shit about Hunter, and even if I cared about the laughably poor gun ownership vetting, and even if I thought it was a travesty, I'd ask what crimes he committed with the gun he bought "fraudulently" through official channels, as opposed to going to his crack dealer and filling the SN off.
More likely, they cry that prosecuting Hunter Biden is the Deep State establishing precedent to take away their guns. It is the only accusation against Dark Brandon so far that might make sense — it would be nefarious to sacrifice your son for the rule of law and anti-guns.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." -Terry Pratchett, The Truth "The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it." -Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment
em2nought wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:05 pm
Wow, Hunter gets sacrificed for some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.
Sucks when you realize the guy YOU follow isn't really the law and order guy, while the one you think hates that is the only one actually endorsing it.
Also, you got that evidence there was voter fraud yet? We're STILL waiting.
You give him too much credit. He has yet to actually argue in favor of Trump - he just repeats the one-liners. It's just as likely that em2 is a lifelong Democrat who just enjoys kicking over anthills.
ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:29 pm
Trump's statement on whatever trash he posts on strongly implies that he will pardon Hunter Biden when he's elected "for the third time".
The conspiracy theory that is going around online and brought up by senator cotton on cnn is that the only democrats being prosecuted are the ones who have upset Joe Biden.
So Senator Menendez- he upset Biden. Hunter he upset Biden.
Biden is simultaneously hitler and an incompetent weight down by age.
Personally I agree with GreenGoo - unless it relates to the president this isn just another jury trial.
And we should be thankful that blue state juries still convict on facts not conspiracy.
em2nought wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:05 pm
Wow, Hunter gets sacrificed for some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.
Sucks when you realize the guy YOU follow isn't really the law and order guy, while the one you think hates that is the only one actually endorsing it.
Also, you got that evidence there was voter fraud yet? We're STILL waiting.
You give him too much credit. He has yet to actually argue in favor of Trump - he just repeats the one-liners. It's just as likely that em2 is a lifelong Democrat who just enjoys kicking over anthills.
He has lauded Trump, called the elections fake, etc. on numerous occasions in numerous posts. Hence my reply. I would respect him more if he was just an edgelord.
Like I said - the one-liners. He hasn't made any serious attempt to argue for Trump. None of what he does has any commitment or emotion to it, or even any energy. He just drops the current conspiracy theory or popular saying, makes some junior-high 'Neener neener' comment, then disappears.
We all know Joe Biden died in late 2020 from Covid vaccination side effects. Clearly the deep state and the rest of the Biden crime family is trying to send Hunter Biden to jail because he has evidence of his father’s death and as a drug addict he is unreliable.
The fact that the democrats aren’t willing to debate this point is further evidence that it must be true! (Just like the “moon landings” and “1 x 1 = 1” when we all know it’s 2.)
Again, I cannot understand how Hunter Biden and his team thought going to trial on these charges made any sense at all. The decision to plead guilty should have been a no-brainer given the facts and circumstances of the case:
Opinion: Why Hunter Biden should have just pleaded guilty
With Hunter Biden’s conviction Tuesday on federal gun charges in Delaware, there’s one huge takeaway and one huge mystery.
The takeaway is that the rule of law is working. The Department of Justice, in an administration led by Hunter‘s father, President Joe Biden, prosecuted his son and convicted him. It’s hard to conceive of better evidence of a justice system operating without fear or favor.
The mystery is this: Why did Hunter Biden ever test his luck with a jury when a guilty plea would have better served him and so many others who are close to him, not to mention the country?
I just don't get it.
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waitingtoconnect wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:12 pm
We all know Joe Biden died in late 2020 from Covid vaccination side effects. Clearly the deep state and the rest of the Biden crime family is trying to send Hunter Biden to jail because he has evidence of his father’s death and as a drug addict he is unreliable.
The fact that the democrats aren’t willing to debate this point is further evidence that it must be true!
I revise my previous comment from garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' dad to Hunter being a sacrifice to save face at the DOJ.
See, we don't just try our political foes!
Sleepy Joe sure does remind me of those Disney animatrons in the Hall of Presidents though.
em2nought wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:28 am
I revise my previous comment from garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' dad to Hunter being a sacrifice to save face at the DOJ.
Don't you hate it when they suddenly change the talking points?
em2nought wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:28 am
I revise my previous comment from garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' dad to Hunter being a sacrifice to save face at the DOJ.
Don't you hate it when they suddenly change the talking points?
Most of my thoughts are my own, ascertained prior to hearing anyone else's take on matters.
Kurth wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:46 am
Again, I cannot understand how Hunter Biden and his team thought going to trial on these charges made any sense at all. The decision to plead guilty should have been a no-brainer given the facts and circumstances of the case:
Opinion: Why Hunter Biden should have just pleaded guilty
With Hunter Biden’s conviction Tuesday on federal gun charges in Delaware, there’s one huge takeaway and one huge mystery.
The takeaway is that the rule of law is working. The Department of Justice, in an administration led by Hunter‘s father, President Joe Biden, prosecuted his son and convicted him. It’s hard to conceive of better evidence of a justice system operating without fear or favor.
The mystery is this: Why did Hunter Biden ever test his luck with a jury when a guilty plea would have better served him and so many others who are close to him, not to mention the country?
I just don't get it.
Doesn't it take the air out of the argument that the justice system is rigged against Trump? .... You posted it in your quote: justice system operating without fear or favor
It has to be exhausting living in a world where nothing can be taken at face value and even the simplest events have to have a conspiracy behind them. The constant fear and paranoia must take a toll.
Kurth wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:46 am
Again, I cannot understand how Hunter Biden and his team thought going to trial on these charges made any sense at all. The decision to plead guilty should have been a no-brainer given the facts and circumstances of the case:
Opinion: Why Hunter Biden should have just pleaded guilty
With Hunter Biden’s conviction Tuesday on federal gun charges in Delaware, there’s one huge takeaway and one huge mystery.
The takeaway is that the rule of law is working. The Department of Justice, in an administration led by Hunter‘s father, President Joe Biden, prosecuted his son and convicted him. It’s hard to conceive of better evidence of a justice system operating without fear or favor.
The mystery is this: Why did Hunter Biden ever test his luck with a jury when a guilty plea would have better served him and so many others who are close to him, not to mention the country?
I just don't get it.
Doesn't it take the air out of the argument that the justice system is rigged against Trump? .... You posted it in your quote: justice system operating without fear or favor
A guilty plea and an appropriate sentence for Hunter (probation; no jail time) would have accomplished the same without having to force days of ugly testimony about the Biden family’s dirty laundry.
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I thought he tried to, but there were shenanigans back in August of 2023:
Hunter Biden’s attorneys said in a court filing late Sunday that federal prosecutors had reneged on their plea agreement in the probe of Biden's business dealings.
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Hunter Biden was expected to plead guilty to two federal misdemeanor counts of failing to pay his taxes after reaching a plea agreement with Weiss. But the deal collapsed last month over confusion about a separate felony gun possession charge, and Biden instead pleaded not guilty.
At a court hearing last month, U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika said that she wouldn't accept or reject the plea agreement until both sides had addressed her concerns over its terms.
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In the filing late Sunday, Biden’s lawyers said that while they were "still prepared to respond to the questions Your Honor posed at the July 26 hearing, in light of the United States’ decision on Friday to renege on the previously agreed-upon Plea Agreement, we agree that those issues are moot at this point."
They also said prosecutors “proposed and largely dictated the form and content” of the plea agreement and a separate "pretrial diversion agreement" dealing with the federal charge over Biden’s illegal ownership of a Colt Cobra .38 Special handgun. Biden had conceivably reached a pretrial agreement about the issue that would delay the charges for 24 months, assuming he did not violate certain terms during that period — which included being added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, no use of controlled substances or alcohol, and no violations of local, state or federal laws. If he violated the terms of the agreement, he could be charged with a felony.
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Earlier Sunday, Abbe Lowell, an attorney for Hunter Biden, accused prosecutors in an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sunday of changing “their decision on the fly,” referring to the derailment of the plea deal.
“One, they wrote something and weren’t clear what they meant," he said. "Two, they knew what they meant, and misstated it to counsel. Or third, they changed their view as they were standing in court in Delaware."
Kurth wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:46 am
Again, I cannot understand how Hunter Biden and his team thought going to trial on these charges made any sense at all. The decision to plead guilty should have been a no-brainer given the facts and circumstances of the case:
Opinion: Why Hunter Biden should have just pleaded guilty
With Hunter Biden’s conviction Tuesday on federal gun charges in Delaware, there’s one huge takeaway and one huge mystery.
The takeaway is that the rule of law is working. The Department of Justice, in an administration led by Hunter‘s father, President Joe Biden, prosecuted his son and convicted him. It’s hard to conceive of better evidence of a justice system operating without fear or favor.
The mystery is this: Why did Hunter Biden ever test his luck with a jury when a guilty plea would have better served him and so many others who are close to him, not to mention the country?
I just don't get it.
Dude. The answer is right in front of your face. Just look up - em2nought spelled it out for you: "garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' Dad"
You seriously need to start thinking more "evil genius, 4-d chess, deep state shenanigans" rather than the very sheeplike posts you've demonstrated so far. WAKE UP! (but not too woke)
Yeah, my understanding is that the plea deal was vague and unclear on whether the government would still be investigating Hunter on charges other than the gun charge. When Judge Noreika asked questions of both sides in that point, she got different answers and told them to go and work it out.
But, still, that doesn’t explain why Hunter would go to trial on these charges. You didn’t get the deal you and your lawyers want? Well, that sucks for you, but it doesn’t mean you take a loser of a case to trial. Negotiate the next best deal you can.
Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there -- Radiohead
Do you believe me? Do you trust me? Do you like me? 😳
YellowKing wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:44 am
It has to be exhausting living in a world where nothing can be taken at face value and even the simplest events have to have a conspiracy behind them. The constant fear and paranoia must take a toll.
On a serious note, it ABSOLUTELY does, whether the victim/sucker is aware of it or not. Anecdotal, but I have seen this in more than a few people. It appears to eat at them constantly, probably at the subconscious level, and often surfaces in the form of outbursts of irrational anger that seem to come from nowhere, etc. As cynical as I am, at least I am not being manipulated by the Fox, et al machine, because that shit is Matrix level at this point. It's sad and terrifying.
"Poisoning another's mind" is not at the top of the "most evil shit people do to each other" list but it's up there in my book.
I've gotten to the point where I have told my Dad: They are lying to you intentionally to garner false outrage so you will keep watching/listening (he listens to right wing radio as well, just leaves it on in the kitchen all day in the background like it's elevator music). You are being manipulated. Do you sometimes feel irrationally angry and wonder why? They are PLAYING you, please just try to see it. Peddling fear and outrage is their MO...
Kurth wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:42 am
But, still, that doesn’t explain why Hunter would go to trial on these charges. You didn’t get the deal you and your lawyers want? Well, that sucks for you, but it doesn’t mean you take a loser of a case to trial. Negotiate the next best deal you can.
Kurth wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:42 am
But, still, that doesn’t explain why Hunter would go to trial on these charges. You didn’t get the deal you and your lawyers want? Well, that sucks for you, but it doesn’t mean you take a loser of a case to trial. Negotiate the next best deal you can.
Just bad lawyering?
Maybe. Or it may just be a difficult client who can’t get out of his own way and has a history of making terrible decisions.
Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there -- Radiohead
Do you believe me? Do you trust me? Do you like me? 😳
em2nought wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:28 am
I revise my previous comment from garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' dad to Hunter being a sacrifice to save face at the DOJ.
Don't you hate it when they suddenly change the talking points?
Most of my thoughts are my own, ascertained prior to hearing anyone else's take on matters.
em2nought wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:28 am
I revise my previous comment from garnering sympathy votes for dear ol' dad to Hunter being a sacrifice to save face at the DOJ.
Don't you hate it when they suddenly change the talking points?
Most of my thoughts are my own, ascertained prior to hearing anyone else's take on matters.
That's not the reaction I expected. If what I said was truth then I'd expect to move into the same "hate" category as President Trump for you. Maybe I'm already there.
