Battlestar Galactica II - Day 4 - Humans win.

[Austin]

so your halfassed ploy, uncovered 3 cylons. cuz they are THAT stupid.
what I see, chaos, is you manipulating the new guys.

Let me think....Chaos scans austin and says human. Then he says jack shit about second scan. And the world fuckin ENDS.....the cylons shit a collective brick...cuz my gawd!!!....Chaos has 1 scan left....

is this the scenario we need to buy?

I claim two are Cylon. I scanned triggercut and Unagi is lying. You make Chaosathena cry.

Killing both Unagi and Chaos will net you at least one if not two bad cylons. I am human and I think odds are high that trig is getting framed by chaos as well. If Chaos is a good guy, he has done a hell of a job at making himself untrustworthy.

In your scenario Scoop, who is the 3rd Cylon? You claim Remus was Athena? (And I have established being Mister Suspicion long before you were playing these games, let alone in *this* game)

Remember too, Scoop and Trig can't both be human because of the Dr. claim.

Am I crazy here?

Faulty logic. We have no way to prove that anyone is a doctor. You need to work with facts, not opinion.

Wrong. If you die under any circumstances and show as Human then you are proven as a Doctor. Same goes for tru1cy and Genghis. In the event any of you are killed at Night we know you were not Cylons. In the event any of you are killed by Day and Autopsy shows Human we know you were not Cylons.

Huh? If I get killed the only way for someone to know if I am a doctor is if all three docs are gone OR trig scans me which I think is a waste of a scan at this point. The scan is better directed at you to find out which cylon you are.

No. If you show up human you were a Dr... or a stupid human who really has not helped the ship.

[Kraegor]

I do not believe I have been vague at all.
If the Ship chooses to kill Unagi and Chaosraven, you get no more Scans.
If you believe Athena to already dead, then you weren't getting any anyway.

I have identified triggercut and Unagi. If you choose to kill me I will be unable to find the third.

If Baltar converts, I cannot say for certain it wasn't Austin.

the problem chaos is that is true for BOTH of you. The "turns up cylon" twist fubars mage testing scenarios.

what I find intriguing is Unagi is not arguing at all. he's downright complacent.

I suppose it makes sense, since you are making all the arguments Unagi could possibly make.

[stessier]

so your halfassed ploy, uncovered 3 cylons. cuz they are THAT stupid.
what I see, chaos, is you manipulating the new guys.

Let me think....Chaos scans austin and says human. Then he says jack shit about second scan. And the world fuckin ENDS.....the cylons shit a collective brick...cuz my gawd!!!....Chaos has 1 scan left....

is this the scenario we need to buy?

I claim two are Cylon. I scanned triggercut and Unagi is lying. You make Chaosathena cry.

Killing both Unagi and Chaos will net you at least one if not two bad cylons. I am human and I think odds are high that trig is getting framed by chaos as well. If Chaos is a good guy, he has done a hell of a job at making himself untrustworthy.

In your scenario Scoop, who is the 3rd Cylon? You claim Remus was Athena? (And I have established being Mister Suspicion long before you were playing these games, let alone in *this* game)

Remember too, Scoop and Trig can't both be human because of the Dr. claim.

Am I crazy here?

Faulty logic. We have no way to prove that anyone is a doctor. You need to work with facts, not opinion.

Wrong. If you die under any circumstances and show as Human then you are proven as a Doctor. Same goes for tru1cy and Genghis. In the event any of you are killed at Night we know you were not Cylons. In the event any of you are killed by Day and Autopsy shows Human we know you were not Cylons.

Huh? If I get killed the only way for someone to know if I am a doctor is if all three docs are gone OR trig scans me which I think is a waste of a scan at this point. The scan is better directed at you to find out which cylon you are.

Did you really forget again that you claimed Dr.? If you claim it and are human, why in the h-e-double hockeysticks would you lie?!?!

[Chaosraven]

Remember too, Scoop and Trig can't both be human because of the Dr. claim.

Am I crazy here?

Faulty logic. We have no way to prove that anyone is a doctor. You need to work with facts, not opinion.

Wrong. If you die under any circumstances and show as Human then you are proven as a Doctor. Same goes for tru1cy and Genghis. In the event any of you are killed at Night we know you were not Cylons. In the event any of you are killed by Day and Autopsy shows Human we know you were not Cylons.

Huh? If I get killed the only way for someone to know if I am a doctor is if all three docs are gone OR trig scans me which I think is a waste of a scan at this point. The scan is better directed at you to find out which cylon you are.

Scoop. Think. Do you remember you claimed to be a Doctor?
If you were HUMAN why would you lie?

There is no need to autopsy you... the FACT that you were HUMAN PROVES you WERE not a LYING CYLON.

How is it that despite Unagi being the one to claim you are a Cylon, you decide *I* am the Bad Guy?

I guess you really could be the 3rd Bad Guy.

That gives me GREAT hope for the Ship.

[stessier]

I haven't heard anyone propose a scenario that doesn't lead to this. Have you?

Would I be so angry if there was an easy way out?


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FACT: 12 does not want to get shot. 12 will play low key.

Ah, ok, I'm good with it then. Just thought you saw a way out the rest of us were missing.

Carry on.

[Scoop20906]

Chaos, you spent 75% of day one basically saying to everyone (cylons and humans) "KILL ME". The other 25% of the time you posted lists (which we all love you for) but some people noted you would omit data from time to time and you were accused of trying to influence people that way also.

So, logically, if I wanted to be killed here are reasons why:
1. I am 12 and want to blow someone up up real good.
2. I am a regular crew member and I want the make the cylons waste a kill.
3. I want to fool everyone into not killing me by telling them "KILL ME" because I am athena.

Out of those three possibilities, I have to say you are capable of all three but which one make the most sense?

My vote is #1. Chaos is 12. Chaos needs to be shot so we can save a human.

And please don't think I am fooled by your arguements with Unagi for a second.

So the one Unagi is pointing out as being evil is pointing at Chaos as being evil? Calculating...

Austin, I think both Unagi and Chaos are at this together. My only question is which is 12. I doubt either is 6 because that makes no sense. But, sense has been in short supply this game.

[Austin]

Chaos, you spent 75% of day one basically saying to everyone (cylons and humans) "KILL ME". The other 25% of the time you posted lists (which we all love you for) but some people noted you would omit data from time to time and you were accused of trying to influence people that way also.

So, logically, if I wanted to be killed here are reasons why:
1. I am 12 and want to blow someone up up real good.
2. I am a regular crew member and I want the make the cylons waste a kill.
3. I want to fool everyone into not killing me by telling them "KILL ME" because I am athena.

Out of those three possibilities, I have to say you are capable of all three but which one make the most sense?

My vote is #1. Chaos is 12. Chaos needs to be shot so we can save a human.

And please don't think I am fooled by your arguements with Unagi for a second.

So the one Unagi is pointing out as being evil is pointing at Chaos as being evil? Calculating...

Austin, I think both Unagi and Chaos are at this together. My only question is which is 12. I doubt either is 6 because that makes no sense. But, sense has been in short supply this game.

So you think they are putting this all together without the use of PM's? Only Cavil and 6 can PM each other as it stands right now.

[Scoop20906]

I haven't heard anyone propose a scenario that doesn't lead to this. Have you?

Would I be so angry if there was an easy way out?


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FACT: 12 does not want to get shot. 12 will play low key.

Ah, ok, I'm good with it then. Just thought you saw a way out the rest of us were missing.

Carry on.

Unless you are Chaos and you want to get killed. Does anyone remember how badly Chaos wanted to get killed early on Day One? Now he is arguing the opposite.

[Chaosraven]

I do not believe I have been vague at all.
If the Ship chooses to kill Unagi and Chaosraven, you get no more Scans.
If you believe Athena to already dead, then you weren't getting any anyway.

I have identified triggercut and Unagi. If you choose to kill me I will be unable to find the third.

If Baltar converts, I cannot say for certain it wasn't Austin.

the problem chaos is that is true for BOTH of you. The "turns up cylon" twist fubars mage testing scenarios.

Yes, any Scenario I provide could also apply to Unagi as Athena if I am the Bad Guy.

what I find intriguing is Unagi is not arguing at all. he's downright complacent.

I suppose it makes sense, since you are making all the arguments Unagi could possibly make.

Correct, I wish for all the players who are arguing to understand the possibilities. I assume Unagi is complacent because his OWN "Cylon" is saying *I* should be the One Shot, as well as my OWN "Cylon" stating *I* am the Bad Guy and HIS "Cylon" is possibly Lying.

He has a Power Block of 3.

Which is what *I* find intriguing.

[Remus West]

[stessier]

Chaos, you spent 75% of day one basically saying to everyone (cylons and humans) "KILL ME". The other 25% of the time you posted lists (which we all love you for) but some people noted you would omit data from time to time and you were accused of trying to influence people that way also.

So, logically, if I wanted to be killed here are reasons why:
1. I am 12 and want to blow someone up up real good.
2. I am a regular crew member and I want the make the cylons waste a kill.
3. I want to fool everyone into not killing me by telling them "KILL ME" because I am athena.

Out of those three possibilities, I have to say you are capable of all three but which one make the most sense?

My vote is #1. Chaos is 12. Chaos needs to be shot so we can save a human.

And please don't think I am fooled by your arguements with Unagi for a second.

So the one Unagi is pointing out as being evil is pointing at Chaos as being evil? Calculating...

Austin, I think both Unagi and Chaos are at this together. My only question is which is 12. I doubt either is 6 because that makes no sense. But, sense has been in short supply this game.

So you think they are putting this all together without the use of PM's? Only Cavil and 6 can PM each other as it stands right now.

It would be easy to forget if you were able to PM at will.

I had really convinced myself this weekend that Scoop was most likely a human being railroaded by Unagi. The more he talks, the less I think this way. Very interesting.

If it turns out that all 3 cylons came out at the same time in this mess, someone is really going to have to explain to me why. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But then, I'm new.

[Chaosraven]

Unless you are Chaos and you want to get killed. Does anyone remember how badly Chaos wanted to get killed early on Day One? Now he is arguing the opposite.

Negative, I have already stated numerous times I am willing to be on the Gang Of Four List.

Shoot me and hang any of the three of you.
Hang another one of you tomorrow.
Hang the last one the next day.
All 3 Cylons Dead if you are One.

The only risk I see in this is Baltar.

Which is the ONLY reason I believe Unagi and triggercut must die today. To cut the odds. If either is Six we have saved Baltar from Conversion.

The Ship is unlikely to Hang or Shoot Unagi as they apparently believe his Lie, or distrust me that Badly. They are more likely to Hang and Shoot you and triggercut... and if you are NOT a Cylon works the same as killing me today.

As Unagi is then revealed as a Liar and the Cylons can kill me tonight.

I will die Today, Tonight, or Tomorrow (assuming the Ship takes me up on my offer to go before Unagi). In the event you and triggercut die today, Unagi is the Last Cylon. I will die to prove that.

I do not have control over Helo's Shot, and as evidenced YESTERDAY I also have no control over the Ship Vote.

[stessier]

Cavil can scan the dead and determine your role. Silence is provides the alternative of scanning either you or Grund. To claim an unspecified role, simply makes you a priority over grund for the night scan.

You are asking me to work into the cylons hands. Claiming any role is just giving free info/help to the bad guys. Bad idea. I won't help them just to save my skin. I never said I was a special.

When you were going to your lynching, you wrote this. So you were worried about us losing 1 Dr? This seems a little extreme since we only get three strikes so if we lose 1 Dr. a night, we lose at the same time we run out of Docs.

You really are a cylon, aren't you?

[Kraegor]

scenario overlooked.

with all the outings...doctors, athena, batman, apollo.....the only person not out is Baltar....

so worst case is not 3 v 1 tho I have repeated it multiple times...chaos has supported it...stessier has supported it.....

wtf????

Everyone is out. Do ya think maybe just MAYBE.....6 knows who Baltar is now? Why would 6 wait to contact Baltar? wanna know? Because the turn is REVEALED. so when do you contact baltar?? WHEN IT MEANS YOU WIN!!

so....worst case.

12 players....

go with the same scenario everyone wants.

shot/lynched Trig and Scoop both human as you say.
NIGHT. 1 death.
Day 3: 3 cylons 6 good. Lynch Chaos - he explodes kills random
Night: 1 death -doc
Day 4: 2 cylons 4 good. Lynch Unagi
Night: 1 death -doc -- 6 hooks baltar.
Day 5: 2 cylon 2 good -- game over.

so if we play out the 3 v 1 scenario....we lose...because there is no miss...there is no 3 v 1. in the night Baltar flips...and it's 2 v 2. game over.

Six or Baltar find each other. Assassination will not be stopped. The humans will somehow know the next day that they have a traitor in their midst though.

How is it no one cares about this scenario? How is it Athena does not care?

[Chaosraven]

If it turns out that all 3 cylons came out at the same time in this mess, someone is really going to have to explain to me why. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But then, I'm new.

As I came out and dared the Cylons to refute me as Athena, they had no knowledge of Which Cylon I was going to offer up.
They had to decide who was coming out and what they would say.

1 Cylon came out and (if Scoop is Cylon) offered up another as his "Proof"

1 Cylon was Scanned and Outed after the above happened.

This is why I state that triggercut (Scanned by me) and Unagi (Took the Bait) are Cylons. It is why it also Possible that Scoop is a Cylon, in the event that I had scanned either Unagi or Scoop as Cylon.

After the Game if that is not clear, I can explain further.

[Scoop20906]

Chaos, you spent 75% of day one basically saying to everyone (cylons and humans) "KILL ME". The other 25% of the time you posted lists (which we all love you for) but some people noted you would omit data from time to time and you were accused of trying to influence people that way also.

So, logically, if I wanted to be killed here are reasons why:
1. I am 12 and want to blow someone up up real good.
2. I am a regular crew member and I want the make the cylons waste a kill.
3. I want to fool everyone into not killing me by telling them "KILL ME" because I am athena.

Out of those three possibilities, I have to say you are capable of all three but which one make the most sense?

My vote is #1. Chaos is 12. Chaos needs to be shot so we can save a human.

And please don't think I am fooled by your arguements with Unagi for a second.

So the one Unagi is pointing out as being evil is pointing at Chaos as being evil? Calculating...

Austin, I think both Unagi and Chaos are at this together. My only question is which is 12. I doubt either is 6 because that makes no sense. But, sense has been in short supply this game.

So you think they are putting this all together without the use of PM's? Only Cavil and 6 can PM each other as it stands right now.

I think it is possible knowing Chaos and Unagi. 12 knows who the other two cylons are but can't communicate.

Chaos could have been trying to get killed because he know the cylons won't waste a kill on him just to communicate so he crys Athena. He says Austin is trusted and withholds his own scan.

Unagi (who is Cavil) has not communicated strategy with Chaos so he comes out as Athena too and also says Austin is trusted and then frames me.

Chaos then frames a human which is trig and gets lucky causing trig to come out as a special.

Their hope is you kill me and trig (two humans gone). Cylons get a kill. The next day you kill Chaos who blows up and kills a third human. Austin is now implicated as a bad guy too even though he may be human. Six is still out there and then has a better chance to hook up with Baltar and you are back to two cylons again with four humans taken down by two cylons.

Its strategy on the fly but its is possible if we don't handle this properly.

[stessier]

scenario overlooked.

with all the outings...doctors, athena, batman, apollo.....the only person not out is Baltar....

so worst case is not 3 v 1 tho I have repeated it multiple times...chaos has supported it...stessier has supported it.....

wtf????

Everyone is out. Do ya think maybe just MAYBE.....6 knows who Baltar is now? Why would 6 wait to contact Baltar? wanna know? Because the turn is REVEALED. so when do you contact baltar?? WHEN IT MEANS YOU WIN!!

so....worst case.

12 players....

go with the same scenario everyone wants.

shot/lynched Trig and Scoop both human as you say.
NIGHT. 1 death.
Day 3: 3 cylons 6 good. Lynch Chaos - he explodes kills random
Night: 1 death -doc
Day 4: 2 cylons 4 good. Lynch Unagi
Night: 1 death -doc -- 6 hooks baltar.
Day 5: 2 cylon 2 good -- game over.

so if we play out the 3 v 1 scenario....we lose...because there is no miss...there is no 3 v 1. in the night Baltar flips...and it's 2 v 2. game over.

Six or Baltar find each other. Assassination will not be stopped. The humans will somehow know the next day that they have a traitor in their midst though.

How is it no one cares about this scenario? How is it Athena does not care?

It's not that I don't care, there is just nothing I can do about it short of killing as many cylons as possible as fast as possible.

And the problem is not 6 knowing Baltar, it is Baltar knowing 6. They both get to scan, right? With these 4 out there, and 2 deaths today, he has a 50% chance of finding 6 tonight. That's what scares me.

[Kraegor]

if we go with the 4 kill plan as outlined by chaos. WE LOSE.

[Chaosraven]

How is it no one cares about this scenario? How is it Athena does not care?

If you reread my Numbers there are REPEATED notes that include the Possibility that Baltar gets switched and what it means to how fast we lose, how many misses we are allowed.

It is also why I have repeatedly stated that I prefer Unagi and triggercut to be the ones to die today, as I have no proof against scoop.

Do you actually read anything I post?

[stessier]

If it turns out that all 3 cylons came out at the same time in this mess, someone is really going to have to explain to me why. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But then, I'm new.

As I came out and dared the Cylons to refute me as Athena, they had no knowledge of Which Cylon I was going to offer up.
They had to decide who was coming out and what they would say.

1 Cylon came out and (if Scoop is Cylon) offered up another as his "Proof"

1 Cylon was Scanned and Outed after the above happened.

This is why I state that triggercut (Scanned by me) and Unagi (Took the Bait) are Cylons. It is why it also Possible that Scoop is a Cylon, in the event that I had scanned either Unagi or Scoop as Cylon.

After the Game if that is not clear, I can explain further.

No, I got that part. The thing is, to make us believe him, Unagi had to offer up proof. If we take the proof, 1 cylon dies. If he had offered up a human, he would then die, so 1 cylon dies. Doesn't it make more sense to offer human and let as many cylons stay hidden as possible?

This all assumes you aren't bad cylon.

[Kraegor]

If she finds Baltar then Baltar defects to the cylon side and they are able to PM each other only for the remainder game as long as they live.

Lassr, Is there a choice? or is the scan considered "contact"?

[Kraegor]

Do you actually read anything I post?

I have my b.s. filter turned fairly high so most of you posts get edited down to "half truth half truth counterspell 3 for 1 sale on robot parts..."

I occasionally miss where you make a valid point.

[stessier]

If she finds Baltar then Baltar defects to the cylon side and they are able to PM each other only for the remainder game as long as they live.

Lassr, Is there a choice? or is the scan considered "contact"?

Baltar –Each night he asks if a particular player is Six.
“Is player X six?” He will receive a yes or no answer.
If he finds Six then he will defect to the cylon side and be able to PM with Six only for the remainder of the game as long as Six is still alive.
Baltar CANNOT PM the other cylons. (So if the bad guys choose to set up their own forum Baltar cannot have access to it).

Looks like it is not a choice on his scan. Wouldn't make much sense if it was on her scan.

Wouldn't it be nice if Newcastle were Baltar and he was letting us know we were safe from defection?

[Scoop20906]

Also, this just occured to me. It would be a waste for Starbuck to protect stessier after he has used his Helo shot. After today he is no longer a special. Starbuck should protect the next highest known special. Just thinking ahead.

[stessier]

Also, this just occured to me. It would be a waste for Starbuck to protect stessier after he has used his Helo shot. After today he is no longer a special. Starbuck should protect the next highest known special. Just thinking ahead.

And that would be you?

If I get protected, at least they can trust where I vote tomorrow. I don't know if that will count for anything, but it will be one more human on their side.

I actually don't mind not being protected though. It would be nice to go to the spirit realm and see the Truth.

[Kraegor]

I dunno... I keep running into the same wall which leads me to Keanu logic

Shoot the Hostage --> Austin.

[Scoop20906]

Stessier, all I am doing is giving my best opinion on what I think is happening. I have no way to prove myself to you short of you lynching me. I have no way to prove that Chaos or Unagi are good or bad guys.

I have already said I am cool with being lynched but I just want everyone to be aware of all the scenarios.

When I was almost lynched on Day One kraegor tried to bully me into giving away my role and I refused. In the end it was the correct decision because everyone realized what was happening and pulled their votes. That doesn't make me a cylon.

[RevHempus71]

Holy frack. How many times we gonna go in circles with this. We need a decision one way or the other. My thumb has gone numb sitting on it. Can we please DO something????

[Austin]

I dunno... I keep running into the same wall which leads me to Keanu logic

Shoot the Hostage --> Austin.

That is not a good idea.

[Kraegor]

where is pr0ner.....we need his role....

[Scoop20906]

Also, this just occured to me. It would be a waste for Starbuck to protect stessier after he has used his Helo shot. After today he is no longer a special. Starbuck should protect the next highest known special. Just thinking ahead.

And that would be you?

If I get protected, at least they can trust where I vote tomorrow. I don't know if that will count for anything, but it will be one more human on their side.

I actually don't mind not being protected though. It would be nice to go to the spirit realm and see the Truth.

Its true you are trusted but possibly we might soon know another person who is "trusted" and still has their special power to be protected.

[Austin]

Holy frack. How many times we gonna go in circles with this. We need a decision one way or the other. My thumb has gone numb sitting on it. Can we please DO something????

Waiting on pr0ner.

[stessier]

I dunno... I keep running into the same wall which leads me to Keanu logic

Shoot the Hostage --> Austin.

[Kraegor]

That is not a good idea.

of course it's a good idea!

[Chaosraven]

if we go with the 4 kill plan as outlined by chaos. WE LOSE.

Negative. Unagi and triggercut are Cylons.

Shoot triggercut and you will find out the first half of that statement is True.

Suggest further discussion after that.

My preference is triggercut and Unagi.

[stessier]

Also, this just occured to me. It would be a waste for Starbuck to protect stessier after he has used his Helo shot. After today he is no longer a special. Starbuck should protect the next highest known special. Just thinking ahead.

And that would be you?

If I get protected, at least they can trust where I vote tomorrow. I don't know if that will count for anything, but it will be one more human on their side.

I actually don't mind not being protected though. It would be nice to go to the spirit realm and see the Truth.

Its true you are trusted but possibly we might soon know another person who is "trusted" and still has their special power to be protected.

There is no one left unless pr0ner is Apollo and I really don't want to consider that.

[Genghis]

Also, this just occured to me. It would be a waste for Starbuck to protect stessier after he has used his Helo shot. After today he is no longer a special. Starbuck should protect the next highest known special. Just thinking ahead.

And that would be you?

If I get protected, at least they can trust where I vote tomorrow. I don't know if that will count for anything, but it will be one more human on their side.

I actually don't mind not being protected though. It would be nice to go to the spirit realm and see the Truth.

Its true you are trusted but possibly we might soon know another person who is "trusted" and still has their special power to be protected.

And who are you saying would be trusted? No one has been proven. The only one who can claim 100% proof of being innocent is someone taking the Helo shot. Even the Docs can't be trusted since there are 3 people dead. Starbuck should not run the risk of suicide. The only person they should protect is themselves or helo after he has taken the shot.

They should not protect you.

[Scoop20906]

Holy frack. How many times we gonna go in circles with this. We need a decision one way or the other. My thumb has gone numb sitting on it. Can we please DO something????

I agree with, Rev. How is this thing going to get resolved?

Lets get one damn thing out of the way. After that we can decide who first.

Can we all agree by vote it is Helo shot first or Lynch first? (this should be an easy one)

Wouldn't 6 be a majority?

Scoop20906 = Helo Shot first
triggercut
tru1cy
Chaosraven
RevHempus71
Austin
kraegor
Genghis
pr0ner
Unagi
stessier
malchior

[Kraegor]

if we go with the 4 kill plan as outlined by chaos. WE LOSE.

Negative. Unagi and triggercut are Cylons.

Shoot triggercut and you will find out the first half of that statement is True.

Suggest further discussion after that.

My preference is triggercut and Unagi.

yeah and afterwards YOU are still no proven a good guy.....because YOU STATED YOURSELF THAT A CYLON WOULD GIVE UP A BUDDY....as evidenced by you latching onto scoop....

so we are stuck with needing to kill you anyway....which leads to.....4 kill plan.

of course you want "further discussion" ....ever met a mage that didnt want further discussion? just one mage that went "say nothing I HAVE SPOKEN!!"

[RevHempus71]

At this stage in the game why would proner still not say anything?????

PRONER ARE YOU THERE> OR DID ALL THIS MAKE YOU JUMP OUT THE EXPOSED AIRLOCK?