Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:06 pm

I feel like if we had more shooters than Vader (or at least ones that survived) that they probably would've taken a shot already. But who knows - we'll see I guess.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:15 pm

Vader - used
Mara - impossible with no emperor
Rukh - any time shot
Greedo - day shot
Boba Fett - one chance but requires protecting successfully and then identifying a rebel to get his shot

Seems there's a decent chance of there being another imperial shooter.

Rukh, kill someone.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:33 pm

While Rukh's description doesn't require him to shoot during the day, the turn order questions only ask "Rukh - who will you shoot?" during the day time, so I think it may be the case that Rukh can only shoot during the day. I guess I'll ask, though.

bb2112, are there time restrictions on when Rukh can shoot?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:34 pm

Oh, one other quirk in the rules that I noticed while looking at the shooters. Mara Jade's description says that (once scanned) she can take a shot without revealing her identity. However...she's the only shooter whose identity is not revealed by taking a shot. Which basically means...that her identity is revealed when she shoots.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:37 pm

El Guapo wrote:While Rukh's description doesn't require him to shoot during the day, the turn order questions only ask "Rukh - who will you shoot?" during the day time, so I think it may be the case that Rukh can only shoot during the day. I guess I'll ask, though.

bb2112, are there time restrictions on when Rukh can shoot?

Yes, Ruhk can only use his shot during the day.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:42 pm

El Guapo wrote:Oh, one other quirk in the rules that I noticed while looking at the shooters. Mara Jade's description says that (once scanned) she can take a shot without revealing her identity. However...she's the only shooter whose identity is not revealed by taking a shot. Which basically means...that her identity is revealed when she shoots.

Well we'd know that Mara took the shot but still wouldn't know who Mara is.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:45 pm

coopasonic wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Oh, one other quirk in the rules that I noticed while looking at the shooters. Mara Jade's description says that (once scanned) she can take a shot without revealing her identity. However...she's the only shooter whose identity is not revealed by taking a shot. Which basically means...that her identity is revealed when she shoots.
Well we'd know that Mara took the shot but still wouldn't know who Mara is.

Ohhhhhh, that makes a lot more sense. For some reason I was thinking that we'd see (for example, no inside knowledge), "Grund has shot Kinectikid" without saying which role he is. But instead we'd see "Mara has shot Kinectikid" of course. That...makes much more sense.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:04 pm

So, who are we waiting on? Grund? KeneticKid? RMC?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:23 pm

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:58 pm

Semaj wrote:My votes this game:
Bubbles, Scoop, Kenetekid (after r2 had killed chaosraven, but its a vote none the less), Newcastle
If Bubs and KK are rebels, I'm not dong half bad with my voting this game, lolz.

The If is fairly critical there, wouldn't you say?

I mean, all of your other votes (Scoop & Newcastle) were prescribed by the game's events.

What this almost sounds like is that you know Bubbles (and perhaps even KK) are indeed Rebels, and you kinda want credit for those votes right now.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:09 pm

Unagi wrote:
Semaj wrote:My votes this game:
Bubbles, Scoop, Kenetekid (after r2 had killed chaosraven, but its a vote none the less), Newcastle
If Bubs and KK are rebels, I'm not dong half bad with my voting this game, lolz.
The If is fairly critical there, wouldn't you say?

I mean, all of your other votes (Scoop & Newcastle) were prescribed by the game's events.

What this almost sounds like is that you know Bubbles (and perhaps even KK) are indeed Rebels, and you kinda want credit for those votes right now.

Nah Scoop's train was sorta fading (and did fade) and I didnt like ho it was going, so I wanted to put him back into the range of +1's to see if they balked again.

I agree with newcastles, but I mean if your gonna imply I have been voting poorly because I didnt like the rmc vote, I'ma point out what you think your saying and what I've done don't exactly mesh. Agreed, Kene and Bubs could very well be empire... they could be rebels, just saying if they are, i'm having another solid game.

Yet when the provens lead poorly, Remuscide and Unagiacide ... they seem to get mad the non provens are not doing enough.

Sometimes, you gotta remember, those of us who fly blind and have no way to prove ourselves are never 100 right. If it's my time in 2 days, its my time. I'd like the hope the other people who have very much seem and acted rebel might be a better offering than someone empire. But I mean if you don't want my opinion or are going to and fry me the second it differs from yours, dont be shocked when people pull a grund.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:42 pm

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:00 pm

this has been one excessively long night... i say we kill whoever is taking so long..

whats with the popcorn? You can still post...

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:05 pm

Whichever rebel is taking so long

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:26 pm

El Guapo wrote: Whichever rebel is taking so long

Sorry, it is my fault. RL has been interfering today.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:33 pm

It is morning. Again. Still no rescue. It is now day 5, and it is getting on your nerves.

You all gather around the table for the morning ritual. Mr. Bubbles is the first to break the silence. “It is Pr0ner. He isn’t here.”

“Why Pr0ner?” Tru1cy asks.

Unagi says, “Never mind why, find him and let’s see if he is still alive.”

After a couple minutes of frantic searching, Theohall calls out from the Library, “Proner is in here. You all better come have a look.”

Everyone files in and sees Pr0ner laying peacefully in his bed. “I think his windpipe has been crushed,” says Theohall.

“Well put him in the cooler,” ordered El Guapo. “Can’t have him just lying around out here.”

Semaj and few others grab Pr0ner and take him to the kitchen. A couple minutes later they hear a shout from the cooler. Semaj is dragging RMC out by the scruff of the neck. “I found him hiding in the there.”

RMC stumbles out into the main room looking disheveled and quite miserable. “Would you believe I accidentally locked myself in there? Yeah, uh, it was just an accident. Uh, thanks Semaj for saving me. Yeah, uhm, can I get a warm cup of coffee?”

Pr0ner is DEAD and RMC is back.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:52 pm

checking in...

I wonder if pr0ner was scanned as Boba Fett or something... odd pick otherwise, I would say... but who knows.

So what's the general consensus today?

We all check in... if someone has a gun they shoot KK (or Grund).

If no shot is taken after that, we all lynch RMC and move on to the next day...

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:02 pm

Yeah, that surprised me as well. I figured they'd off Unagi almost certainly, and if not Unagi then probably Remus.

In terms of shot - why KK and not Grund?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:19 pm

Well maybe they're playing a game of kill the people who aren't named in hopes of getting the big fish. It seems to make sense to me. They figure the big fish are hiding out.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:44 pm

Also possible that they have Talon Karrde and pr0ner scanned as a significant role.

This wouldn't be a bad time for Grund and/or KK to speak up in case we do have a shooter available, incidentally.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:05 am

El Guapo wrote:Yeah, that surprised me as well. I figured they'd off Unagi almost certainly, and if not Unagi then probably Remus.

Mr Bubbles wrote:Well maybe they're playing a game of kill the people who aren't named in hopes of getting the big fish. It seems to make sense to me. They figure the big fish are hiding out.

big fish.

Who's the big fish of the Imperials.

corpse scanner: Remus
Luke scanner: Unagi
Protector: Boba Fett (Thrawn, too, actually - spaced on him with that whole Newcastle thing... )
Shooter: Greedo/Rukh

In any case, the fact that I have been past up 2 nights in a row implies a couple possible things.

1) They found a protector / shooter and his abscence opens their game up, so they struck him down.
2) Qantaga was Luke, and I'm basically like El Guapo to them; proven, but without power.
3) They just wanted to keep randomly looking for a protector / shooter.

I bet it's 1 or 2, and highly doubt its 3.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:59 am

Definitely an odd choice.

As far as "we all check in", I would be surprised if that actually happened.

Anyway, yes shooter shoot so we can get to re-lynching. As far as who to shoot. I like Grund, but I guess KK works too.

Actually it doesn't appear to actually be day yet. *pokes sun* No opening day post from bb.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:38 am

I have a guess.

The same thing I saw, they saw, and took it as a possible provable role.

we are killing rmc I assume. DO we wanna discuss why pr0ner for a bit and what we want/expect the next few days or just launch him up?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:51 am

RMC is a known quantity, guaranteed hit. Or there's always the "off the silent" vote.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:30 am

Wait for a shooter to off Grund or KK. Lynch RMC

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:37 am

Vote Day 5

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall --------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
15 Unagi ------------------>
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill
8. Pr0ner - Night 5 Kill

Players Remaining 13
Majority is 7
Deadline: Wednesday August 3, 9PM EST

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:12 am

2 RMC ------------------> n/a
3 Tru1cy --------------- > checked in
4 Remus West ---------> n/a
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> checked in
8 Theohall ---------------> waiting
11 Coopasonic -----------> checked in
12 El Guapo --------------> n/a
13 Lord Mortis -----------> waiting
15 Unagi ------------------> n/a
17 Semaj -----------------> checked in
18 Kenetickid ------------> waiting
20 Isgrimnur -------------> checked in
21 Grundbegriff ---------> waiting

Waiting on:
Theohall
LordMortis
Kenetickid
Grundbegriff

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:13 am

Semaj wrote:I have a guess.

The same thing I saw, they saw, and took it as a possible provable role.

I can't see any value in sitting on that information, Semaj.

What was it you saw?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:53 am

El Guapo wrote:Also possible that they have Talon Karrde and pr0ner scanned as a significant role.

This wouldn't be a bad time for Grund and/or KK to speak up in case we do have a shooter available, incidentally.

That's my assumption. My next assumption is that they only role bigger than a known is a shooter. Even a protector is a gamble is a gamble over reducing your own hiding places.

Unagi wrote:I can't see any value in sitting on that information, Semaj.

I rarely get that either. Holding information is something you do for a team advantage later. But then he's just holding speculation. It just confuses me to bring it up and then stay secretive about it.

Anyhow, how long do we wait for kk or grund to speak up? I honestly believe we have a few days if necessary. I don't thing we'll have a problem lynching rmc by Wednesday.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:09 am

tru1cy wrote:Curious why I am on the Unagi lynch list. Left several clues as to my role as a Red Guard. He's wrong about me

You mean Royal Guard, right?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:19 am

LordMortis wrote: Anyhow, how long do we wait for kk or grund to speak up? I honestly believe we have a few days if necessary. I don't thing we'll have a problem lynching rmc by Wednesday.

Yeah, I'm highly confident that we could lynch RMC in a matter of hours once we decide to. Since he's an open rebel, there's no good reason for a rebel to not vote for him once the train starts - otherwise it's too obvious a reveal of rebelosity.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:32 am

Yeah I think we should try to make something happen, with RMC being an easy option, or back up plan if we decide to not poke him for right now.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:33 am

coopasonic wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Curious why I am on the Unagi lynch list. Left several clues as to my role as a Red Guard. He's wrong about me
You mean Royal Guard, right?

No I meant Red Guard My geekdom leaked into the game

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:00 am

coopasonic wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Curious why I am on the Unagi lynch list. Left several clues as to my role as a Red Guard. He's wrong about me
You mean Royal Guard, right?

I don't know why - but that reminded me of:

"Every ship but your four fastest, you mean."

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:23 am

Unagi wrote:
coopasonic wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Curious why I am on the Unagi lynch list. Left several clues as to my role as a Red Guard. He's wrong about me
You mean Royal Guard, right?
I don't know why - but that reminded me of:

"Every ship but your four fastest, you mean."

Princess Bride might make for a funny WW game.

Kenetickid · Post by **Kenetickid** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:53 am

Checking in.

RMC

but, by all means waste your shot for hte day and kill me if you think Unagi is right. He may be vader but he is way off targetting me for the day kill.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:57 am

Thanks for your in depth contribution. Willing to vote for RMC and adding that you are not a rebel? These are bold statements indeed.

Kenetickid · Post by **Kenetickid** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:30 am

El Guapo wrote:

Thanks for your in depth contribution. Willing to vote for RMC and adding that you are not a rebel? These are bold statements indeed.

I'm always willing to claim not to be the bad guy, but from what i have seen lately the more aggressive people defend themselves the more likely they get killed anyway.

Nuff said either way.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:36 am

Gonna disagree with you on the "nuff said."

Also not really true that there's a correlation between talking a lot and getting lynched. Coop's defended himself quite a bit over the past couple days, and (along with his voting pattern) has moved off the lynch short-list (at least in my mind). RMC barely defended himself, by contrast, and...

Of course, talking a lot has some risk if you're a rebel because there's a higher risk of inadvertently revealing incriminating information. Is that what you're worried about?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:40 am

Concur with shooting someone, then lynching RMC. Do not intend to vote until someone is shot or it is clear no one will shoot.