stessier wrote:If it turns out that all 3 cylons came out at the same time in this mess, someone is really going to have to explain to me why. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But then, I'm new.
As I came out and dared the Cylons to refute me as Athena, they had no knowledge of Which Cylon I was going to offer up.
They had to decide who was coming out and what they would say.
1 Cylon came out and (if Scoop is Cylon) offered up another as his "Proof"
1 Cylon was Scanned and Outed after the above happened.
This is why I state that triggercut (Scanned by me) and Unagi (Took the Bait) are Cylons. It is why it also Possible that Scoop is a Cylon, in the event that I had scanned either Unagi or Scoop as Cylon.
After the Game if that is not clear, I can explain further.
No, I got that part. The thing is, to make us believe him, Unagi had to offer up proof. If we take the proof, 1 cylon dies. If he had offered up a human, he would then die, so 1 cylon dies. Doesn't it make more sense to offer human and let as many cylons stay hidden as possible?
This all assumes you aren't bad cylon.
In the event that Unagi is #12, we will have killed Scoop the Doctor, and when Unagi blows up on Lynch he kills another Human (or me, as he will already have been shown as Liar. He would not need to offer a Cylon.
For those of you who suspect me more than Unagi please substitute Chaosraven for Unagi and triggercut/Apollo for Scoop/Doctor.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
RevHempus71 wrote:Holy frack. How many times we gonna go in circles with this. We need a decision one way or the other. My thumb has gone numb sitting on it. Can we please DO something????
I agree with, Rev. How is this thing going to get resolved?
Lets get one damn thing out of the way. After that we can decide who first.
Can we all agree by vote it is Helo shot first or Lynch first? (this should be an easy one)
I believe Helo must shoot before a Lynch occurs, as after a Lynch it becomes Night.
Kraegor - you are correct. The only way *I* am Proven as Athena is if I am killed by the Bad Guys.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Chaosraven wrote:
In the event that Unagi is #12, we will have killed Scoop the Doctor, and when Unagi blows up on Lynch he kills another Human (or me, as he will already have been shown as Liar. He would not need to offer a Cylon.
For those of you who suspect me more than Unagi please substitute Chaosraven for Unagi and triggercut/Apollo for Scoop/Doctor.
me 4 or so pages ago wrote:what that means is that in the end you steer to the worst case path no matter what, since all your logic relies on 1 premise and ignores other factors. Therefore your lynch strategy, no matter how you phrase it, is "kill em all let lassr sort em out". That is not logic as much as it is shotgun at broadside of barn....of course we'll hit 2 cylons...go ahead..... flip flop the order every which way you want.....and at the end we will STILL be staring at 1 cylon left with 1 miss left.
stessier wrote:If it turns out that all 3 cylons came out at the same time in this mess, someone is really going to have to explain to me why. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But then, I'm new.
As I came out and dared the Cylons to refute me as Athena, they had no knowledge of Which Cylon I was going to offer up.
They had to decide who was coming out and what they would say.
1 Cylon came out and (if Scoop is Cylon) offered up another as his "Proof"
1 Cylon was Scanned and Outed after the above happened.
This is why I state that triggercut (Scanned by me) and Unagi (Took the Bait) are Cylons. It is why it also Possible that Scoop is a Cylon, in the event that I had scanned either Unagi or Scoop as Cylon.
After the Game if that is not clear, I can explain further.
No, I got that part. The thing is, to make us believe him, Unagi had to offer up proof. If we take the proof, 1 cylon dies. If he had offered up a human, he would then die, so 1 cylon dies. Doesn't it make more sense to offer human and let as many cylons stay hidden as possible?
This all assumes you aren't bad cylon.
In the event that Unagi is #12, we will have killed Scoop the Doctor, and when Unagi blows up on Lynch he kills another Human (or me, as he will already have been shown as Liar. He would not need to offer a Cylon.
For those of you who suspect me more than Unagi please substitute Chaosraven for Unagi and triggercut/Apollo for Scoop/Doctor.
Yes, I agree, this is the way it should be done. But in that case all 3 cylons weren't outed in the mess. If it ends up that in the game they were, I need to know why they chose not to use the plan you described.
Kraegor wrote:if we go with the 4 kill plan as outlined by chaos. WE LOSE.
Negative. Unagi and triggercut are Cylons.
Shoot triggercut and you will find out the first half of that statement is True.
Suggest further discussion after that.
My preference is triggercut and Unagi.
If we shoot triggercut we get either human or cylon.
Cylon = Your telling the truth != you being human
Human = Lynch You
If we shoot Scoop we get the same thing regarding unagi.
In both cases I think we miss 12 with the helo shot. That is my main complaint with going this route. 12 is more likely to be you or unagi.
Indeed.
Which is why I prefer Unagi and triggercut. If Scoop is not the 3rd Cylon we have killed a Human instead.
I believe Unagi to be #12 and triggercut to be Six.
But I doubt the Ship is willing to kill Unagi instead of me.
By removing the 2 of them there is only a 1 in 3 chance that Six is actually alive to convert Baltar.
I am NOT Human, Genghis. I am Athena, who shows as Cylon when killed.
There is no Proof for me until killed by Bad Guys.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Austin, I am just trying to move this along. Otherwise we will be arguing all week. Once this vote is carried, we can vote on who to shoot first since Stessier has asked everyone to come to a consensus for him.
stessier wrote:Yes, I agree, this is the way it should be done. But in that case all 3 cylons weren't outed in the mess. If it ends up that in the game they were, I need to know why they chose not to use the plan you described.
I believe that if Scoop is indeed a Cylon, they played the odds that he was the one I scanned after the Day One events.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Scoop20906 wrote:Austin, I am just trying to move this along.
Why are you in a hurry?
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Scoop20906 wrote:Austin, I am just trying to move this along. Otherwise we will be arguing all week. Once this vote is carried, we can vote on who to shoot first since Stessier has asked everyone to come to a consensus for him.
Does this really confuse you or Genghis?
Because it is pointless. He already knew that he needed to shoot someone before we decided on who we were lynching. At this point it is really up to him. The only person who has not added their view point is Pr0ner. It just seems like your trying to put a big sign over your head saying "Look at me, I am helping the ship don't kill me".
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
I have repeatedly tried to assure Scoop in these Posts I have no evidence against him. That he could indeed be a Doctor as *I* state triggercut is a Cylon, and therefore NOT Apollo.
Perhaps because it gives Unagi a Power Block of 3?
If that is the case, he really should have been pointing the finger at triggercut and Unagi.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Hey austin, I think this has been addressed by me. I know you want to get this point across to everyone else so you keep addressing it.
So, here again is my point.
I think Chaos is 12. I think Unagi is Cavil.
I want them both taken down but when we are talking about the Helo shot, I think Chaos should be the first shot. Then, if you want to lynch me to prove Unagi is evil, have at me.
Since Stessier came out too early, this is the situation we have been put in. Clear or Unclear?
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Imagine this. He is Cavil. Everytime he sees us leaning toward Unagi or triggercut, he posts to get us to take out Chaos. He's also acting Cylon-ish enough to get taken out himself. If we take out Chaos and Scoop (and everyone agrees if Chaos is playing us, it is because he is 12) 6 gets a chance to scan at night.
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Hey austin, I think this has been addressed by me. I know you want to get this point across to everyone else so you keep addressing it.
So, here again is my point.
I think Chaos is 12. I think Unagi is Cavil.
I want them both taken down but when we are talking about the Helo shot, I think Chaos should be the first shot. Then, if you want to lynch me to prove Unagi is evil, have at me.
Since Stessier came out too early, this is the situation we have been put in. Clear or Unclear?
You are really giving me the bad Cylon vibes. Shoot Unagi and lynch CR
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
that's somethin' aint it.
don't forget. trig says scoop is lying. chaos says trig is lying. scoop is not arguin with trig either...instead....we got the "other 2 docs are lying" fiasco. did scoop refute trig?
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Hey austin, I think this has been addressed by me. I know you want to get this point across to everyone else so you keep addressing it.
So, here again is my point.
I think Chaos is 12. I think Unagi is Cavil.
I want them both taken down but when we are talking about the Helo shot, I think Chaos should be the first shot. Then, if you want to lynch me to prove Unagi is evil, have at me.
Since Stessier came out too early, this is the situation we have been put in. Clear or Unclear?
If you are Innocent you KNOW Unagi is guilty. Chaos MIGHT be Innocent and actually Athena. WTF do you think Chaos is guilty when someone claiming to counter him point s at you as guilty. Does not compute.
Kraegor wrote:is there another alternative that does not lead to 3 v 1 with baltar flip making it 2 v 2?
Shoot/Lynch triggercut and Unagi.
If the Lynch explodes, there are 9 with only 1 Cylon remaining.
Bad Guy kills = 8
Lynch Scoop = 7 (or Game over if he is 3rd Cylon)
As I am not allowed to know which Cylon I scanned (and once again let me say how I could NOT believe the Majority voted for THAT) so we must deduce which is which.
Byt killing triggercut or Unagi but not both today, if Scoop is Human then 2 Cylons survive and One is Hidden.
By killing me and Unagi/triggercut, then 2 Cylons survive. Scoop may or may not be one of them.
But it would require you to trust Chaosraven.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
UNAGI ACCUSED SCOOP AND SCOOP IS NOT PUSHING AN UNAGI SHOT. He is focused on Chaos. WTF. How would scoop know squat about Chaos as a Dr? He KNOWS Unagi is lying if he is indeed a Dr, so wtf is he focused on Chaos?
Hey austin, I think this has been addressed by me. I know you want to get this point across to everyone else so you keep addressing it.
So, here again is my point.
I think Chaos is 12. I think Unagi is Cavil.
I want them both taken down but when we are talking about the Helo shot, I think Chaos should be the first shot. Then, if you want to lynch me to prove Unagi is evil, have at me.
Since Stessier came out too early, this is the situation we have been put in. Clear or Unclear?
Did I really come out to early? I thought the cylons won if we don't take out at least 1 today? Now we have 2 chances to do it.
If I really did come out a day to early, sorry about that. Dang bullet was burning a whole in my pocket.
Chaosraven wrote:
I have repeatedly tried to assure Scoop in these Posts I have no evidence against him. That he could indeed be a Doctor as *I* state triggercut is a Cylon, and therefore NOT Apollo.
All I have done is put out a scenario which I think is correct. I have info you guys don't. I am human. Therefore, that helps me eliminate some other scenarios you guys have to consider.
When I give my opinion, I get branded as a cylon. I have already said Unagi is a cylon and most likely cavil. I have also said Chaos is a cylon and most likely 12.
It could be the other way around too but that just doesn't make sense to me after studying both Chaos and Unagi's posts and behavior.
I did try to help the ship come to a consensus so we could move on. I got branded a cylon for that too.
If I go an sulk in my bunk, will I get branded for being a cylon then too?
All I have done is put out a scenario which I think is correct. I have info you guys don't. I am human. Therefore, that helps me eliminate some other scenarios you guys have to consider.
When I give my opinion, I get branded as a cylon. I have already said Unagi is a cylon and most likely cavil. I have also said Chaos is a cylon and most likely 12.
It could be the other way around too but that just doesn't make sense to me after studying both Chaos and Unagi's posts and behavior.
I did try to help the ship come to a consensus so we could move on. I got branded a cylon for that too.
If I go an sulk in my bunk, will I get branded for being a cylon then too?
Chaosraven wrote:
I have repeatedly tried to assure Scoop in these Posts I have no evidence against him. That he could indeed be a Doctor as *I* state triggercut is a Cylon, and therefore NOT Apollo.
I thought the cylons won if we don't take out at least 1 today? Now we have 2 chances to do it. 