Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:04 pm

I'm pretty sure he wants me dead and that is why he is not releasing the scan. Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:08 pm

LordMortis wrote:
El Guapo wrote:eh, I could probably guess anyhow. Obviously you haven't found Luke, since you would share that information if so. I think you've done two scans - probably Bubbles and Grund I would guess. So probably neither of them is Luke.

But that does raise the question of how useful that information is, since it doesn't really say much about rebelitude (well, maybe makes it marginally less likely, but still not all that helpful).
I'd have guessed Bubbles and Semaj.

Nailed it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:08 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:I'm pretty sure he wants me dead and that is why he is not releasing the scan. Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.

It wouldn't really exonerate you in any meaningful sense. It might indicate that you are not Luke, but since there are still several other rebel roles, that doesn't really tell us anything about whether you have a different rebel role.

I think his concern is that it might lead us to lynch someone who is less likely to be a rebel overall (based on our evaluation of their conduct), but who is more likely to be Luke if a rebel. Is a lower probability on the former worth a higher probability on the latter? Probably not.

Though I don't really have much of an issue disregarding the Luke scan as appropriate.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:13 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:I'm pretty sure he wants me dead and that is why he is not releasing the scan. Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.

Yeah, I basically said as much - didn't I?

And, what you Just Said - is exactly my point.

Mr Bubbles wrote:Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.

It doesn't exonerate you at all. There was never a case made against you being Luke. You are accused of being a member of the Rebel Alliance.

You surmise that every single rebel is partially exonerated after I check them for being my son?

Newcatle and RMC were partially exonerated in the same way.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:43 pm

Unagi wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.
It doesn't exonerate you at all. There was never a case made against you being Luke. You are accused of being a member of the Rebel Alliance.

You surmise that every single rebel is partially exonerated after I check them for being my son?

Newcatle and RMC were partially exonerated in the same way.

That does partially exonerate. It says you aren't that person. That removed an option hence the partial exoneration. And yes it does exonerate in terms of luke. Your logic seems to be a bit off. I'm not saying or did I say that it says these people are not rebels hence the partial.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:52 pm

Busy Friday, I see. Nothing to add really.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:12 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:Even if it only partially exonerates me he prefer it didn't.
It doesn't exonerate you at all. There was never a case made against you being Luke. You are accused of being a member of the Rebel Alliance.

You surmise that every single rebel is partially exonerated after I check them for being my son?

Newcatle and RMC were partially exonerated in the same way.
That does partially exonerate. It says you aren't that person. That removed an option hence the partial exoneration. And yes it does exonerate in terms of luke. Your logic seems to be a bit off. I'm not saying or did I say that it says these people are not rebels hence the partial.

There are 4 other possible rebel roles you could hold. The fact that you are not Luke actually makes it more likely that you are Karrde or Chewbacca or whatwever other rebel roles are left (where's that post with who might be left), at least as much as it makes you less likely to be a rebel. I don't know that you want to take this argument much further.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:43 pm

I just realized (assuming Remus....) that I force-choked R2D2.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:51 pm

Remus, buddy, pal, friend of mine, TELL ME you scanned me...

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:57 pm

and I would recommend telling us whom you scanned before morning, you know.. just in case.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:57 pm

Also, before I might die...

I think Mr B and Semaj are prime suspects.

I am more (like I believe El Guapo expressed) satisfied with Coops and LM's imperial leaning.

I am basically still satisified with Isgimnur's play.

KK - seriously not looking good for him.

Grund - very odd play, I'm baffled. First - it doesn't help the good guys if he's been a goog-guy Royal Guard this whole time (or equiv,). So that then leads one to ponder that he's provable... that didn't seem to pan out. So one is left with "Rebel". And Wookie at that, so that it's a miss - as we would all be so inclined to want him lynched. But , this is a game of deception on some level, right - so the obvious play then seems suspect... is he not Wookie... Cup-in-front, etc... In any case - it just also seems like he didn't really do any favors to the Rebels with not playing either. So. I don't get it.

theohall would be a player I would maybe look more at, only because he's sorta drifted away recently... but that would only be if Mr B and Semaj and KK and Grund all came up blank....

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:59 pm

Unagi wrote: I think Mr B and Semaj are prime suspects.

So if Mr B and KK are badduns, I am still a prime suspect in your eyes? What if Remus Exonerates me?

I'd probably still be your top pick, you single minded hippie.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:02 pm

Semaj wrote:Remus, buddy, pal, friend of mine, TELL ME you scanned me...

Uh, you realize that Remus can only scan players who are dead, right? So...do you still want to be scanned?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 pm

damn the man
nah
wasnt paying attention

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:39 pm

Semaj wrote:damn the man
nah
wasnt paying attention

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:05 pm

Unagi wrote:In any case - it just also seems like he didn't really do any favors to the Rebels with not playing either. So. I don't get it.

He could be doing favors for the rebels on the other forum.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:10 pm

I never get invited to the other forum.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:11 pm

lol.. I am so dead...
Our scanner died day 1?
*checks roles*
yup, which means we lost mara.
hrm
Lets pray bb112 remembered to put mara as a half in the 3 misses.

Starting : 21
/2 - 10.5
-3 = 7
7vs 14
miss - night kill 7-12
miss night kill 7-10
miss night kill 7-9
mara convert would make it 8-9
shooter mcwookey makes it 8-8

So they should have 7...

which means they probably have 8, because i have no faith in humanity
8-13 miss - 8-11, miss - 8-9, mara convert, game over.

gah
if someone gave em 8, I vote we kill him the next 3 games he plays.

now here is where we are at with both scenarios.
day 1 : chaosraven (cry), 7-13|8-12
night 1: stessier is killed, 7-12|8-11
day 2: scoop de ville dies 6-12|7-11
night 2: lassr is killed 6-11|7-10
day 3: Quantaga is choked out - 5-11|6-10
day 3: Newcastle (man day 3 ruled) 4-11|5-10
night 3: Triggercut is killed 4-10|5-9
day 4: rmc failed lynch 4-10|5-9
night 4: pr0ner: 4-9|5-8
day 5: rmc, back again - 3-10|4-9

changes based on assumtions: Mara - 4-9|5-8
wookie - 4-8|5-7
we have 2 misses if its 7... 1 if it isnt.

yeah I am pretty sure I repeated myself... but some of us do our best thinking as we type.

So since My head is on the block after grund, who I agree is prolly rebel. I guess i have to hope for 2 misses. I'd like to test bubbles before me... I still and iffy on KK... and god willing, i hope they are both rebel so I can talk smack after this game to like 6 of you.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:14 pm

Right now I'd say that our next lynch should be one of Grund, Bubbles, or KK, barring surprising developments of course.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:23 pm

Thinking about it some more, Grund *has* to be a rebel. It makes me suspect that he's trying this out as a strategy. It does make some sense - while he's always going to be suspicious because he's so silent, he's almost never going to be the most suspicious one - that's probably going to be someone (like RMC) who has been mostly silent, but said enough to raise some suspicions in addition to just the silence.

If our seer weren't already dead, I might wonder if he were the seer figuring that the wolves aren't going to find him the best target, giving him time to collect scans and do a massive info dump. But with our seer dead...him as rebel is the only thing that makes sense.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:29 pm

El Guapo wrote:...him as rebel is the only thing that makes sense.

Only took you 3.5 weeks to get to where I started?

Sure I didn't know anything at the time, but still...

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:30 pm

i'd prefer grund, esp if he is the wookie and get him the hell out of the way... i mean the other option is to save for him as long as possible... This works better in the we have no misses scenario. where we would win by 1?

*thinks*

5-8 worst case right now
miss - 5-6
kill - night death - 4-5
" - 3-4
" - 2-3
" - 1-2
vote to kill grund, he asplodes, we win.

So i guess there is merit to this.

However if there is 5, we need to not miss and be right the entire rest of the game with no votes on the wookie and no wrong votes or team evil can pile on.. a very tall task.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:35 pm

I think the wookie-goes-last theory makes sense. But at the same time, I think what's most important is not to miss, so I think we should go for the most likely rebel regardless of whether we think they're a wookie.

The whole wookie thing is fairly speculative anyhow - I'd *think* that the best use of the berserker would be to use him as the most active rebel, seeking to gin up as much suspicion on imperials as possible. Then when they eventually burn themselves out (having participated in at least one or two false witchhunts) they get to take someone with them.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:40 pm

More than one proven vote has been placed on Grund and he hasn't gone all wookiee on anyone, which makes me doubt the Grund as Chewbacca theory. True he may have been absent when the votes were on him, but wouldn't it be possible for Chewbacca to have a similar standing order to the overvotes? ie, if an imperial puts a vote on me, please remove Unagi's arms.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:46 pm

El Guapo wrote:I think the wookie-goes-last theory makes sense. But at the same time, I think what's most important is not to miss, so I think we should go for the most likely rebel regardless of whether we think they're a wookie.

The whole wookie thing is fairly speculative anyhow - I'd *think* that the best use of the berserker would be to use him as the most active rebel, seeking to gin up as much suspicion on imperials as possible. Then when they eventually burn themselves out (having participated in at least one or two false witchhunts) they get to take someone with them.

After Unagi pointed out the logic of lynch the (suspected) zerker last to me it makes sense. The two problems with it in this game are that we don't know if we have a zerker (even if I consider it probable) and we don't know when the game will end, so I concur on taking the most likely in our collective opinion rebel our first though the logic of waiting still makes sense and that nags at me. I particularly fear the one/two combo of wookie/whatsherface. But the good news IMO about what's her face is that we were told her shot is identity protected. The fact that she hasn't used it give credence to her not being in the game and even more credence to her not having been converted. The only thing she has to lose by taking her shot with all of this silence around us is the advantage of a surprise win... At least that's what I'm telling myself.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:48 pm

coopasonic wrote:More than one proven vote has been placed on Grund and he hasn't gone all wookiee on anyone, which makes me doubt the Grund as Chewbacca theory. True he may have been absent when the votes were on him, but wouldn't it be possible for Chewbacca to have a similar standing order to the overvotes? ie, if an imperial puts a vote on me, please remove Unagi's arms.

It's a fair point, but I'm not sure there's a reason to go wookie until you are in lynching range. Using the wookie rage sooner just gives important information - i.e. that the target is Chewie - sooner. Ideally you want the imperials to miss once or twice, then when they finally hit on you in a significant way, then you go all wookie.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:54 pm

El Guapo wrote:
coopasonic wrote:More than one proven vote has been placed on Grund and he hasn't gone all wookiee on anyone, which makes me doubt the Grund as Chewbacca theory. True he may have been absent when the votes were on him, but wouldn't it be possible for Chewbacca to have a similar standing order to the overvotes? ie, if an imperial puts a vote on me, please remove Unagi's arms.
It's a fair point, but I'm not sure there's a reason to go wookie until you are in lynching range. Using the wookie rage sooner just gives important information - i.e. that the target is Chewie - sooner. Ideally you want the imperials to miss once or twice, then when they finally hit on you in a significant way, then you go all wookie.

Yeah you are probably right, *especially* now that they (think they) know we don't have a shooter. It's not like we are going to surprise kill him.

Mortis, You just made me realize, the rebs actually know the count and how many misses we have left. That's a depressing thought. They are sitting there with their calculators and our hit lists and grinning madly. I think that's why things seem so calm right now. The bothans have died, the plans are delivered, there is an exposed exhaust port just waiting for them to ram it up our... well you get the picture.

I'm depressed again.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:08 pm

El Guapo wrote:
coopasonic wrote:More than one proven vote has been placed on Grund and he hasn't gone all wookiee on anyone, which makes me doubt the Grund as Chewbacca theory. True he may have been absent when the votes were on him, but wouldn't it be possible for Chewbacca to have a similar standing order to the overvotes? ie, if an imperial puts a vote on me, please remove Unagi's arms.
It's a fair point, but I'm not sure there's a reason to go wookie until you are in lynching range. Using the wookie rage sooner just gives important information - i.e. that the target is Chewie - sooner. Ideally you want the imperials to miss once or twice, then when they finally hit on you in a significant way, then you go all wookie.

Only reasons to wookie...

1) You are about to die
2) You can take out someone highly important.

So unless they really needed someone important to die right then and there, i'd save the wookie

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:38 am

Blearily you all gather at the table. It is time for the morning ritual. Again. Nobody is surprised this morning however. Lord Vader is not at the table.

“Wow, I was hoping that RMC was the last of the Rebels,” said Coopasonic.

“Uh, Vader coaxed out of RMC last night that there were more Rebels,” answered Lord Mortis. “Anyway, we need to find Unagi.”

There is murmur of assent. The group breaks up and searches the sanctum. Within a few minutes Remus shouts, “He is in here.” You all come running.

Everyone piles into the Emperor’s office and sees a large vibroknife sticking out of the base of Vader’s helmet. How is this possible, more than one unfortunate Imperial thinks to himself. Upon further examination of the room, you notice the furniture is all smashed up. It looks as though Lord Vader had put up a good struggle.

“This room looks like it had one hell of a fight. How did we all sleep through this?” Theohall asks.

Remus picks up a piece of broken furniture and smacks it against the wall. “Ah, just as I suspected. The walls are soundproof. Knowing that it was going to be difficult, they must have lured him in here where the noise was not going to disturb us. These damn Rebels are crafty.”

“Yeah, but how the hell did they kill Vader?” asked Mr. Bubbles incredulously. “Seriously, this guy was a total bad ass, and there he is with a knife sticking out of his head. If they can kill him, none of us are safe.”

“I’ve got a bad feeling about this,” replied Lord Mortis.

Unagi is DEAD

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:44 am

Vote Day 6

3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall --------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Imperial - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Imperial - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Rebel - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Imperial - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Rebel - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Rebel - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Imperial - Night 4 Kill
8. Pr0ner - Imperial - Night 5 Kill
9. RMC - Rebel - Day 5 Lynch
10. Unagi - Imperial - Night 5 Kill

Dead Tally - 6 Imperials, 4 Rebels

Players Remaining 11
Majority is 6
Deadline: Monday August 8, 9PM EST

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:55 am

So... Grund day?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:19 am

I can vote for Grund..

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:06 am

As far as I'm concerned Grund day.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:29 am

Grund is good with me.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:43 am

Grundbegriff

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:13 pm

coopasonic wrote: Grundbegriff

withdraw Grundbegriff

Actually, waiting for Remus findings before chancing Chewbacca rage.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:33 pm

I'm mostly confused right now. pr0ner was nothing. Just a simple guard. I also do not like that my two top active suspects are expressing a willingness to vote for Grund.

I'm split pretty even between thinking Grund or Bubbles with LordMortis a distant third right now. And rereading day 1 really doesn't make this much easier. I'm leaning Grund regardless of Bubbles and LordMortis being willing to help on him. Normally Grund is either a ghost day 1 or pushing for someone (he "pushed" for tru1cy but it was a really half-hearted "I don't really want this to happen" sort of push IMO) to test the voters. The in between day 1 Grund makes him my top for today. There is some very interesting stuff on LordMortis there too which might actually take him from distant third to off the list - need to mull it over.

As for the Chewbacca argument - it is nonsense. The only way to "save" the berserker for last would be to know which one he is - if he is in the game at all - and we have no way to do that. We should be voting for our top suspects rather than trying to avoid them due to Wookie-worry.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:41 pm

coopasonic wrote:
coopasonic wrote: Grundbegriff

withdraw Grundbegriff

Actually, waiting for Remus findings before chancing Chewbacca rage.

Grundbegriff

I agree with the concern that the other suspects are on the grund bandwagon, but I still think he's the best shot.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:50 pm

Remus West wrote:I'm mostly confused right now. pr0ner was nothing. Just a simple guard. I also do not like that my two top active suspects are expressing a willingness to vote for Grund.

Makes me think that maybe the rebels don't have their seer (Talon Karrde), and were hoping to hit a special.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:10 pm

Might as well vote for Grundbegriff. His lack of participation is disturbing... (even though real life is just as disturbing if that is the cause).

Grundbegriff

Next two suspects (in no particular order):
Kenetickid
Mr Bubbles