Re: The Trump Investigation Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:17 am
CNN headline: Flynn's downfall means there is now no way for the President to cry 'witch hunt'
CNN: Still adorable.
CNN: Still adorable.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
However:On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump's victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, "which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,"
Riiiiight.It is not clear whether Ms. McFarland was saying she believed that the election had in fact been thrown. A White House lawyer said on Friday that she meant only that the Democrats were portraying it that way.
If their puppet can overturn our democracy, they'll keep playing him. If he's fatally crippled, they'll throw fuel at a constitutional crisis that will make half of our populace lose faith in the system. Putin wins either way, and with very little risk of blowback. This is some evil genius-level stuff here.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm But which is more damaging to the nation? Whatever chaos comes from impeachment proceedings or the daily chaos caused by Trump’s tweets? I honestly don’t know.
Comical, but with Trump's lawyer, also Comic Sans.RunningMn9 wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:39 pm Apparently the Trump camp realized that Trump admitted to a felony today on twitter. So now the story is that his lawyer wrote and sent the tweet. Comical.
Nearly half the populace lost faith in the system many years ago or never had it. One-third hasn't voted since before I was born and these day barely half bother.Kraken wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:01 pmIf their puppet can overturn our democracy, they'll keep playing him. If he's fatally crippled, they'll throw fuel at a constitutional crisis that will make half of our populace lose faith in the system. Putin wins either way, and with very little risk of blowback. This is some evil genius-level stuff here.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm But which is more damaging to the nation? Whatever chaos comes from impeachment proceedings or the daily chaos caused by Trump’s tweets? I honestly don’t know.
I think we're seeing a groundswell of people realizing that this has resulted in such a monumental fuck up as the Mangerine slipping in through the door because they gave up. I suspect we'll see a change over the next few years as they realize they're turning the country over to racists, extremists and oligarchs.Rip wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:34 am
Nearly half the populace lost faith in the system many years ago or never had it.
He's also started to really lean on people on the Mueller team are biased, and therefore nothing the investigation turned up can be trusted. Look forward to that being his main line of defense when things start to get real.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am Oh, he's on a roll now.
He's attacking the FBI, which was apparently "in tatters" under Comey and which participated in conspiracies to protect Hillary from justice.
Of course, Mueller actually *fired* one of his team this week for nothing more than a Trump-critical tweet.Chaz wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:14 amHe's also started to really lean on people on the Mueller team are biased, and therefore nothing the investigation turned up can be trusted. Look forward to that being his main line of defense when things start to get real.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am Oh, he's on a roll now.
He's attacking the FBI, which was apparently "in tatters" under Comey and which participated in conspiracies to protect Hillary from justice.
Doesn't matter! He only did that because Trump called him out! If one's bad, you can't trust anyone because they're all tainted!*Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:17 amOf course, Mueller actually *fired* one of his team this week for nothing more than a Trump-critical tweet.Chaz wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:14 amHe's also started to really lean on people on the Mueller team are biased, and therefore nothing the investigation turned up can be trusted. Look forward to that being his main line of defense when things start to get real.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am Oh, he's on a roll now.
He's attacking the FBI, which was apparently "in tatters" under Comey and which participated in conspiracies to protect Hillary from justice.
No, the reason for Strzok 's dismissal was in the news this week but he was removed from the investigation back in July (his transfer was reported at the time, but not the reason for the move, iirc). It was because of private text messages to another individual back in 2016, not public tweets.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:17 amOf course, Mueller actually *fired* one of his team this week for nothing more than a Trump-critical tweet.Chaz wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:14 amHe's also started to really lean on people on the Mueller team are biased, and therefore nothing the investigation turned up can be trusted. Look forward to that being his main line of defense when things start to get real.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am Oh, he's on a roll now.
He's attacking the FBI, which was apparently "in tatters" under Comey and which participated in conspiracies to protect Hillary from justice.
Thanks. So... even more integrity then.Max Peck wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:58 amNo, the reason for Strzok 's dismissal was in the news this week but he was removed from the investigation back in July (his transfer was reported at the time, but not the reason for the move, iirc). It was because of private text messages to another individual back in 2016, not public tweets.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:17 amOf course, Mueller actually *fired* one of his team this week for nothing more than a Trump-critical tweet.Chaz wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:14 amHe's also started to really lean on people on the Mueller team are biased, and therefore nothing the investigation turned up can be trusted. Look forward to that being his main line of defense when things start to get real.Holman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am Oh, he's on a roll now.
He's attacking the FBI, which was apparently "in tatters" under Comey and which participated in conspiracies to protect Hillary from justice.
This is interesting to me with the general perception of gen-x and gen-y being scene as overly cynical. Millenials generally seen as much more idealistic. Hmmmm. Sounds like a good sociology research paper.hepcat wrote:I think we're seeing a groundswell of people realizing that this has resulted in such a monumental fuck up as the Mangerine slipping in through the door because they gave up. I suspect we'll see a change over the next few years as they realize they're turning the country over to racists, extremists and oligarchs.Rip wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:34 am
Nearly half the populace lost faith in the system many years ago or never had it.
I sort of follow this and I think it's important to note they might seem more idealistic, they're also not joining the public sector workforce. It's a cultural issue - the culture of the public sector - that's the problem. And while I can't claim that as a kid I was dreaming of being a public servant, once I found myself in the system, I knew it was for me. So (the theory would be) that if you have a generation of people that doesn't place value on public service...trouble.Combustible Lemur wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:17 pmThis is interesting to me with the general perception of gen-x and gen-y being scene as overly cynical. Millenials generally seen as much more idealistic. Hmmmm. Sounds like a good sociology research paper.
President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd, says he drafted the president's Saturday morning tweet that stated he fired former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn for lying not only to Vice President Mike Pence but also to the FBI.
Wait a sec. Spicey told us all in no uncertain terms that Trump's Tweets are official White House statements.Defiant wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:32 pm Trump's lawyer falls on his sword
President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd, says he drafted the president's Saturday morning tweet that stated he fired former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn for lying not only to Vice President Mike Pence but also to the FBI.
Of course not. The orange pile of shit will always grab a scapegoat when things go south for him. He really is a detestable scumbag.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:32 pm And, of course, there’s no way Trump’s lawyer did any such thing.
What does it all mean?A conservative operative trumpeting his close ties to the National Rifle Association and Russia told a Trump campaign adviser last year that he could arrange a back-channel meeting between Donald J. Trump and Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president, according to an email sent to the Trump campaign.
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Russia, he wrote, was “quietly but actively seeking a dialogue with the U.S.” and would attempt to use the N.R.A.’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., to make “ ‘first contact.’ ” The email, which was among a trove of campaign-related documents turned over to investigators on Capitol Hill, was described in detail to The New York Times.
Mr. Erickson, a longtime conservative operative who has been involved in several presidential campaigns, presented himself in the email as a well-connected intermediary to the upper reaches of the Russian government. By “happenstance” and the reach of the N.R.A., Mr. Erickson wrote, he had been put in position to “slowly begin cultivating a back-channel to President Putin’s Kremlin” in recent years.
“Russia is quietly but actively seeking a dialogue with the U.S. that isn’t forthcoming under the current administration,” he wrote.
Indeed, evidence does appear to show deep ties between Mr. Erickson, the N.R.A. and the Russian gun rights community that were formed in the years when many American conservatives, put off by the Obama administration’s policies, were increasingly looking to Mr. Putin as an example of a strong leader opposing immigration, terrorism and gay rights.