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Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:06 pm It totally unrelated "the President needs to not be on live TV blathering about things he doesn't understand" news, a man died and his wife is now in critical care after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, an additive for fish tank cleaners.

Read more here.

Trump has tweeted or retweeted at least three times about this, obviously hoping that the announcement of a treatment would buoy up the markets.

Now people are dying from his tweets.

WTF

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1242203584634048512

El Guapo wrote:

$iljanus wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:59 pm I thought it was an offensive term.

When referring to Pakistanis, yes. If you’re looking for a 6 pack and some smokes, it’s paradise.

Also that's spelled "Paki". If I know my slurs right.

You be correct!

Meanwhile the Toddler is really pushing opening America for business in a matter of a few weeks rather months in his live briefing. His impatience will doom us all.

And where is Fauci?

His rambling is tiresome.

Not thrilled to see Barr up there. Never happy to see him in any setting. Fauci is probably in the doghouse.

PEEPS are ‘life sustaining,’ so production will continue in Bethlehem during pandemic

Ironic, given how many peep lives I've helped slaughter (we were young, we were foolish, we had a campfire and a bunch of expired peeps, what else would you expect us to do with them?)

The ingenuity the Asshat in Chief keeps praising is partly in reaction to the incompetence of our "leader".

So Denver's mayor issued a stay-at-home order starting tonight, and also ordered liquor stores to close. So of course every liquor store now has a line 50 deep.

People...

The people forming large groups together, people listening to Trump and taking stuff thats killing them, fake tests filled with toxic chemicals that tell you to wash your mouth out with them. Seems the stupid will be a good sized portion of the first to go. As a kid I thought adults must suddenly be intelligent. Ive learned how wrong I was back then over these years. Stupid tend to weed themselves out just not at a high enough rate it seems. It spills over and hurts others every day. Just crazy how dumb we as a species truly are.

Trump is likening this to auto accidents and the flu. We are deeply fucked. (We can't kill the economy) type talk. We are looking at a long period of protracted fuckery.

He's up there free-associating. This is what happens when he can't have rallies. He's out of his goddamn mind.

He is going to get hundreds of thousands of Americans killed.

Birx and Barr both have the "Oh my god we are so fuct..." look on their faces.

I don't know how any of these reporters didn't straight up ask: "What will happen when there are 1000 people a day dying in a few weeks?"

I'm watching MSNBC and I swear Peter Baker's super power is normalizing Trump's complete insanity. Perhaps it is the water at the New York Times.

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

I agree that a lot of this is unnecessary. If it's there for points and will be dropped in negotiations...ok I suppose...but if it is the hill to die on? Not cool.

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:56 pm Trump is likening this to auto accidents and the flu. We are deeply fucked. (We can't kill the economy) type talk. We are looking at a long period of protracted fuckery.

Well if the economy and DOW keep the way its been we'll be wiped in 4 weeks. The DOW has lost almost 8000 points in 2 weeks. It only has 18,500 left to it's name. So 4 weeks unless it all changes.

ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:27 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:52 pm

Kraken wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.

The manager of my packy is NOT thrilled about being "essential".

And there's another new term I've learned. Never heard "packy" before.

Did you just unblock Kraken or something?

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:58 pm FWIW I didn't hear 'packy' until I was in my late 20s despite living in Boston for most of that - I attribute that to a glitch in the matrix for sure.

I learned and adopted the word soon after moving here 34 years ago. Now calling it a "liquor store" sounds like an affectation. Although we have taken to calling Total Wine the "booze barn," courtesy of JeffV.

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm

$iljanus wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:59 pm I thought it was an offensive term.

When referring to Pakistanis, yes. If you’re looking for a 6 pack and some smokes, it’s paradise.

Also that's spelled "Paki". If I know my slurs right.

"Blinded By the Light" is a good primer on racism against Pakis in the UK (and a fun feel-good romcom, if you like that sort of thing).

I'm going to try and get ahead of what you're all likely going to get hammered with tomorrow - the CDC's report (released earlier today) about the cruise ships and COVID-19 has some already suggesting "OMG! The CDC is saying the virus lives for 17 days on surfaces!" because of information buried inside the discussion part of the paper.

Of course the does not say that. Instead, it indicates they detected viral RNA on surfaces 17 days later, prior to sanitizing. Viral RNA isn't a living, infectious agent. It's evidence a virus was there.

In short, don't panic!

This is the OMG stuff for real.

“It looks likes a war zone,” said Saggar, Holy Name’s chief of infectious disease.

The hospital is in such dire need, it took the unprecedented step of pleading to the public for donations to buy critical supplies.

Holy Name is filling with COVID-19 patients. Supplies are running low. Doctors and nurses — already at risk of exposure — could be put in further danger if they run out of protective equipment, while some already have gotten sick, medical workers said.

The Bergen County hospital — located at the epicenter of New Jersey’s coronavirus outbreak — is on the brink, nearing its capacity and supply stock. And it’s not alone in this deepening crisis as hospitals throughout the state face diminishing supplies and equipment.

Holy Name is running out of ventilators. The facility is down to only a four-day supply of respirators. Its stock of protective gloves and eye shields are dwindling. And disposable gowns are already gone.

"Everything is running low,” Saggar said, speaking rapidly as a clamor of background noise carried over the phone line — the cacophony of doctors and nurses rushing around him, tending to patients.

The shortage of supplies puts health care workers at risk. The protective equipment is the only line of defense for them. Each infection means one less medical professional is available to care for the soaring number of COVID-19 patients, threatening the state’s already overburdened health care system.

New Jersey recorded 935 new cases of COVID-19 Monday, giving it 2,844 confirmed infections. There were also seven more deaths, raising the total to 27.

The escalating number of cases only taxes medical facilities, their supplies and their staff.

Holy Name has only three ventilators remaining with 85 patients in the hospital, Dr. Stavros Christoudias told NJ Advance Media on Monday.

Christoudias, who chairs the New Jersey Doctor-Patient Alliance, said Holy Name is “in the worst shape” of the hospitals he’s seen, but The Valley Hospital in Ridgewood “is very close behind them.”

The biggest fear among many might be over the shortage of respirators, the life-saving breathing machines that have become vital with the coronavirus attacking patients’ lungs.

Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick said on Fox News Monday night that "lots of" grandparents would be willing to die in order in to save the economy for their grandchildren.

Since he's a grandfather, maybe he should volunteer first?

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:54 pm Either the Matrix is glitching or I feel like we have the "packy" discussion every few weeks.

Those are those Polish donuts, right?

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:54 pm Either the Matrix is glitching or I feel like we have the "packy" discussion every few weeks.

I must be in the wrong threads then, as this is the first time I've ever seen it.

Skinypupy wrote:

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:54 pm Either the Matrix is glitching or I feel like we have the "packy" discussion every few weeks.

I must be in the wrong threads then, as this is the first time I've ever seen it.

Same.

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:35 pm I'm going to try and get ahead of what you're all likely going to get hammered with tomorrow - the CDC's report (released earlier today) about the cruise ships and COVID-19 has some already suggesting "OMG! The CDC is saying the virus lives for 17 days on surfaces!" because of information buried inside the discussion part of the paper.

Of course the does not say that. Instead, it indicates they detected viral RNA on surfaces 17 days later, prior to sanitizing. Viral RNA isn't a living, infectious agent. It's evidence a virus was there.

In short, don't panic!

I shared this on FB, hope you don't mind.

Staving off some additional potential panic is probably a good thing, I think.

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

The airlines emissions makes some sense if you are giving airlines and aircraft manufacturers billions in the same bill.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

The airlines emissions makes some sense if you are giving airlines and aircraft manufacturers billions in the same bill.

Ayup.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:41 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

The airlines emissions makes some sense if you are giving airlines and aircraft manufacturers billions in the same bill.

Not when it drags down the entire desperately needed bill (because we're living in bizarro land and the GOP are irredeemable arseholes).

These different bills with BS in them is because the two sides are so separated now days and simply cannot work together so now they only try to blackmail each other into getting stuff through when they get a chance. its why they should all be fired and we start over.

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:51 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:41 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

The airlines emissions makes some sense if you are giving airlines and aircraft manufacturers billions in the same bill.

Not when it drags down the entire desperately needed bill (because we're living in bizarro land and the GOP are irredeemable arseholes).

If you can't put reasonable conditions on the money you are distributing why bother at all? Just have some Senate aides draft a bill the Senate will pass and be done with it.

Oil is cheap as hell. You're giving airlines a shit ton of money. It is perfectly reasonable to say, "now don't go spending all this on oil futures and inefficient planes.".

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:00 am

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:51 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:41 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:12 pm Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus

While I agree with most of that, I think that this is absolutely NOT the time to include things like reducing airline carbon emissions and undoing executive orders.

Those are certainly important things that should be addressed, but not when we’re facing this larger crisis. Including them weakens their position significantly. Let’s stick to the matter at hand, please.

If we were in a normal universe where the two sides would work together to find an acceptable middle position, then it wouldn’t be an issue. But we’re not, so it is.

The airlines emissions makes some sense if you are giving airlines and aircraft manufacturers billions in the same bill.

Not when it drags down the entire desperately needed bill (because we're living in bizarro land and the GOP are irredeemable arseholes).

If you can't put reasonable conditions on the money you are distributing why bother at all? Just have some Senate aides draft a bill the Senate will pass and be done with it.

Oil is cheap as hell. You're giving airlines a shit ton of money. It is perfectly reasonable to say, "now don't go spending all this on oil futures and inefficient planes.".

Plus it's not like if you write the most narrow, reasonable bill that McConnell is going to be like "oh ok, that makes sense". I just read in 2009 how he labeled census funding as part of the stimulus bill as a "Failed Census Bailout".

Yeah, it's important to keep the bill focused, but as conditions to airline bailouts that doesn't sound crazy.

Had to fly from DFW to Sacramento and back today to pick up my son who has been in Napa with his grandparents for the last 18 days or so. He originally went for the 9 days of spring break then when school was cancelled (and we still weren't taking this thing seriously enough) we agreed to let him stay a second week...fast forward and between mine and the wife's work schedules we weren't able to get him home until today. Which is a really really good thing since they closed DFW today at midnight. It was surreal to be there today and see it so, well, deserted. We flew back home on Christmas from vacation and it was pretty slow, but this was a whole other level. 2 levels really. Parking lots were either 95% empty or just completely closed; only one security checkpoint was open for the entire terminal I flew out of, and only 2 of the 5 terminals were even open. Almost no traffic on the drive home either and we're a good 35 min from the airport but it looked like 2am traffic, not 730pm on a Monday night.

I missed 9/11 and the first few days after it (in the middle of Alaska on a bear hunting trip) and I remember getting back to civilization and feeling like I had stepped out of a spaceship onto another planet. This felt a lot like that. Incredibly thankful we were able to get him home today, though if you have a day off I don't recommend spending it on back to back 3.5 hr (half) cross country flights. Even if they were only $61 each way (!!!)

And yes we masked up(surgical not N95 unfortunately) and I brought the hand sanitizer but it didn't feel nearly adequate enough. Maybe 1/3 of the folks in the airport /plane were masked as well. It's funny how much changes in just 10 or 12 days; wife and I and our youngest were flying back from Napa then and we were laughing at the very few folks in masks then.

Never too late in life to be an ass, I guess.

Again, thanks to y'all for keeping the updates coming. There's just so much info right now between the broader picture, what we're being told at work we'll be doing, and the mundane of learning how in the F we're gonna home school our oldest (as a parent I did NOT sign up to be responsible for teaching my kid stuff! Don't they know this?!) that I'm in information overload. OO really helping to pare that down some.

Oh and yes I'm totally on board with paying for Lootenant (governor) Dan (Patrick) to eat at the food truck park in Austin, every night of the week. Lunch too! Be out amongst the ppl Lootenant Dan and show them your leadership. (R) only however

So how long before Trump fires Fauci? Im thinking sooner than later. Fauci is correcting him too much and telling the truth.

The Mangerine really really wants the country open. What happens when the president recommends stopping shutdowns, and governors keep them going? I'm looking forward to some epidemiologist writing an article (hopefully soon) about what the US looks like a year from now under those circumstances.

Formix wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:13 am The Mangerine really really wants the country open. What happens when the president recommends stopping shutdowns, and governors keep them going? I'm looking forward to some epidemiologist writing an article (hopefully soon) about what the US looks like a year from now under those circumstances.

Index futures are up 4% or so on Trump's new timeline. You'd think the markets would be more evidence driven at least. But they're giving him what he wants. He needs another 25% or so though, who knows what he'll do next.

GungHo wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:58 am Oh and yes I'm totally on board with paying for Lootenant (governor) Dan (Patrick) to eat at the food truck park in Austin, every night of the week. Lunch too! Be out amongst the ppl Lootenant Dan and show them your leadership. (R) only however

edited to fix tweet embedding.

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LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:05 am

Formix wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:13 am The Mangerine really really wants the country open. What happens when the president recommends stopping shutdowns, and governors keep them going? I'm looking forward to some epidemiologist writing an article (hopefully soon) about what the US looks like a year from now under those circumstances.

Index futures are up 4% or so on Trump's new timeline. You'd think the markets would be more evidence driven at least. But they're giving him what he wants. He needs another 25% or so though, who knows what he'll do next.

Trump is going to be a grumpy boy when he reads credit for a positive bump is going to an impending Congressional deal.