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stessier wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 am The governor heard until 5pm today took certify the electoral voter slate.

The Georgia Secretary of State's office has said repeatedly that at this point in the process it is not possible to match signatures — which already took place as a part of a two-step signature verification process — because ballots are separated from envelopes to ensure the secrecy of voters' selections.

Kemp's press conference will come after a strange series of events Friday afternoon, starting with Raffensperger issuing a statement saying the results had been certified, then making a corrected statement within a half-hour that they would be certified later Friday. He certified the results around 4 p.m., an hour before Kemp was set to hold his press conference.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump on Friday in tweet accused Kemp and Raffensperger of refusing to "let us look at signatures which would expose hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots" which he alleged would give the "Republican Party and me, David Perdue, and perhaps Kelly Loeffler, a BIG VICTORY."

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:30 am Sounds like Kemp is just making noise to try to stay in Trump’s good graces.

As to point #3, though, I think it’s most likely because Loeffler only got something like 30% of the vote. There’s zero chance any sort of recount would put her above the 50% margin needed to win without a runoff.

El Guapo wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:20 am

stessier wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 am The governor heard until 5pm today took certify the electoral voter slate.

Was this put through Google Translate a couple times?

El Guapo wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:24 am Article on Kemp's request for a signature audit. Key part for me:

The Georgia Secretary of State's office has said repeatedly that at this point in the process it is not possible to match signatures — which already took place as a part of a two-step signature verification process — because ballots are separated from envelopes to ensure the secrecy of voters' selections.

Kemp's press conference will come after a strange series of events Friday afternoon, starting with Raffensperger issuing a statement saying the results had been certified, then making a corrected statement within a half-hour that they would be certified later Friday. He certified the results around 4 p.m., an hour before Kemp was set to hold his press conference.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump on Friday in tweet accused Kemp and Raffensperger of refusing to "let us look at signatures which would expose hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots" which he alleged would give the "Republican Party and me, David Perdue, and perhaps Kelly Loeffler, a BIG VICTORY."

A couple thoughts:

(1) Since Kemp already certified the results, and since Raffensperger has already repeatedly said that checking the signatures is impossible, I don't think this will matter, and is probably Kemp trying to toss a bone to Trump / the Trump base.

(2) It does, however, further confirm that Kemp is a shitstain;

(3) I love how Trump says that the audit recount would give him and Perdue big victories, and "perhaps" to Loeffler as well. Kind of hard to read this as reflecting anything other than Trump's casual misogyny.

RunningMn9 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:18 pm Kemp signed the certification last night (according to every news organization anyway).

Jaymann wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:15 pm Now the Repugnicans are trying to delay certification in Michigan for 2 weeks for an audit of Wayne County. Should go nowhere unless some committee members go rogue. Then the Governor can replace them. Every. Fucking. Day.

El Guapo wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:30 pm

Jaymann wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:15 pm Now the Repugnicans are trying to delay certification in Michigan for 2 weeks for an audit of Wayne County. Should go nowhere unless some committee members go rogue. Then the Governor can replace them. Every. Fucking. Day.

I assume this is at the statewide certification committee?

Not sure who needs to hear this but under state law (MCL 168.31a) audits can only be conducted after the State Canvassers certify the election. This is b/c election officials do not have legal access to the documents needed to complete audits until the certification.

Paingod wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:45 pm

Remus West wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:13 pmAt what point do the people start to take to the streets again in protest of this abuse?

The second it stops being comically pathetic and actually sticks at any point in the process. When a single legitimate vote is tossed, I think it's safe to whip out the anti-fascist banners and place a shitstorm in front of the White House.

So far, to my knowledge, absolutely nothing they've tried has actually removed one legal vote.

Remus West wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:31 pm

Paingod wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:45 pm

Remus West wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:13 pmAt what point do the people start to take to the streets again in protest of this abuse?

The second it stops being comically pathetic and actually sticks at any point in the process. When a single legitimate vote is tossed, I think it's safe to whip out the anti-fascist banners and place a shitstorm in front of the White House.

So far, to my knowledge, absolutely nothing they've tried has actually removed one legal vote.

My concern isn't isolated to this election though. The damage being done to our national elections can not be understated in my eyes. Allowing the continued broadcast of patently false information without any consequence has to be addressed. Lying needs to have consequences and lying on this scale needs to face even more strict consequences. This is not misinterpretations going on. This is not examining of actual evidence and questionable situations. This is out right making shit up and spreading across the toast of America before feeding it to them. And they are gobbling it down. There needs to be some sort of cost for acting in this way beyond being removed from office because the removal is simply a result of losing the election. He, and everyone promoting his lies, need to be held accountable for the damage being done.

Octavious wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:50 pm Geez the PA judge was just savage in his ruling. It's almost like they are raising BS cases to just distract and disrupt. That would be crazy though.

El Guapo wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:37 pm Good news.

Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:39 pm Hypothetically, if trump did manage to bring his SCOTUS into play, would Amy Covid Bryant recuse?

Little Raven wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:56 am

Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:39 pm Hypothetically, if trump did manage to bring his SCOTUS into play, would Amy Covid Bryant recuse?

Probably not. There's certainly no grounds for her to.

Kraken wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 am"Being appointed as a campaign chit" hasn't come up before?

Kraken wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 am

Little Raven wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:56 am

Kraken wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:39 pm Hypothetically, if trump did manage to bring his SCOTUS into play, would Amy Covid Bryant recuse?

Probably not. There's certainly no grounds for her to.

"Being appointed as a campaign chit" hasn't come up before?

Holman wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:30 am I have trouble believing Roberts would allow it to come to a vote.

He's a conservative, but he cares way more about his legacy than about the fortunes of Donald Trump. Since the makeup of the court already ensures that conservatives control the field for the next generation, Roberts' best course for protecting his legacy (and maybe even making himself a hero for the history books) is pretty clear.