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Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:03 pm
by Captain Caveman
Holman wrote:Hopefully we can get tweets from every war movie director reminding the alt-right that the Nazis are the bad guys.
In this new alt-right world, so many classic video games will need to be remade so that the Nazis are removed and instead we're all shooting the real bad guys (moveon.org members, Woody Allen fans, etc).
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:48 pm
by $iljanus
Captain Caveman wrote:Holman wrote:Hopefully we can get tweets from every war movie director reminding the alt-right that the Nazis are the bad guys.
In this new alt-right world, so many classic video games will need to be remade so that the Nazis are removed and instead we're all shooting the real bad guys (moveon.org members, Woody Allen fans, etc).
I'm looking forward to fighting Mecha-Streisand!
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:54 am
by hepcat
The Sanders Trump tweet incident is officially a meme.
My favorite so far:

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:21 am
by malchior
This also captures the average redditor's contribution to political discourse - "Hey guys - look at how I changed a sign"! <All 5 kids living in a 2-bdrm apartment in Brooklyn laugh - go back to staring at cat pictures on reddit>

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:46 am
by hepcat
I think you can make a joke about this and still be a conscientious citizen. Humor and politics aren't always mutually exclusive.

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:18 pm
by Moliere
Start the countdown on when this new soda tax gets repealed or drastically reduced.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:25 pm
by Isgrimnur
Propel water doesn't have any sugar.

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:28 pm
by Isgrimnur
But it does contain sucralose, which, per the city, is an equivalent thing.

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:38 pm
by noxiousdog
Holman wrote:Is that the new Jabba movie?
Actually that's how I got a friend to vote for Hillary. When your choices are Jabba the Hut and Darth Vader, you vote for Jabba.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:44 pm
by Isgrimnur
Jabba knows how to run an organization. Vader is strictly muscle.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:54 pm
by stessier
Isgrimnur wrote:But it does contain sucralose, which, per the city, is an equivalent thing.

Why the

? I've seen studies saying diet drinks aren't good for you either.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:58 pm
by Isgrimnur
Bad terminology.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:03 pm
by malchior
stessier wrote:Isgrimnur wrote:But it does contain sucralose, which, per the city, is an equivalent thing.

Why the

? I've seen studies saying diet drinks aren't good for you either.
They don't know why though. And the science there is pretty weak still - versus say sugar where the science is strong. For example, these type of artificial sweetener studies are routinely done on obese people - so they've never been able to truly "un-confound" the reasons why there is weight gain seen when they are substituted versus water. Either way - NJ or Chester County, PA welcomes the tax free propel purchases. It literally is a bridge ride away.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:12 pm
by Holman
That beverage tax isn't an attempt to limit sugary beverage consumption; it's paying for pre-K education in the city. Given the constraints Harrisburg has put on Philadelphia, a consumption tax was the only option.
The tax, incidentally, is 1.5 cents per ounce, so that buyer with the pictured receipt was picking up 6 liters of that stuff.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:16 pm
by Isgrimnur
Holman wrote:The tax, incidentally, is 1.5 cents per ounce, so that buyer with the pictured receipt was picking up 6 liters of that stuff.
Which would be one 'case' of 12-500 ml bottles.
I foresee an advertising opportunity to really push stuff like the Mio and SodaStream concentrates, since you're not paying the tax on all of the water.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:01 pm
by malchior
Holman wrote:That beverage tax isn't an attempt to limit sugary beverage consumption; it's paying for pre-K education in the city. Given the constraints Harrisburg has put on Philadelphia, a consumption tax was the only option.
The tax, incidentally, is 1.5 cents per ounce, so that buyer with the pictured receipt was picking up 6 liters of that stuff.
I predict it will spectacularly fail at that regard. It was designed poorly and is far, far too high a tax. Making it a few percent on top would have made it largely invisible. As designed it is high enough to reduce the spend to alternates (or alternate locales) and will hurt local business and under perform. Heck it could reduce sales drastically for other goods and lead to an overall loss of tax revenue. People could think - heck I'm going out of the city anyway to grab soda - might as well do my whole shopping run there. Also this will hit the poor far more than the wealthy (they'll just get in their car and drive a mile to avoid the tax). It on the surface appears to be an almost hilariously bad implementation of a tax as you'll ever see.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:57 pm
by gilraen
Isgrimnur wrote:Holman wrote:The tax, incidentally, is 1.5 cents per ounce, so that buyer with the pictured receipt was picking up 6 liters of that stuff.
Which would be one 'case' of 12-500 ml bottles.
I foresee an advertising opportunity to really push stuff like the Mio and SodaStream concentrates, since you're not paying the tax on all of the water.
Yeah, quite a few drink brands, including Propel, sell their drinks in packets/powder form, so you just mix it in with water. I wouldn't drink that crap if you paid me (I don't need my water to have more salt than a small order of french fries) but if someone really feels that they need it for the "vitamins" - they can help themselves and the environment by not purchasing it by the case.
I definitely see the sticker shock when the tax is 50% of the purchase price, though. That's not good politics OR good economics.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:47 pm
by Moliere
The Nobel Peace Prize winner's final year in office goes out with a bang:

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:49 pm
by Isgrimnur
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:53 pm
by Moliere
malchior wrote:I predict it will spectacularly fail at that regard. It was designed poorly and is far, far too high a tax. Making it a few percent on top would have made it largely invisible. As designed it is high enough to reduce the spend to alternates (or alternate locales) and will hurt local business and under perform. Heck it could reduce sales drastically for other goods and lead to an overall loss of tax revenue. People could think - heck I'm going out of the city anyway to grab soda - might as well do my whole shopping run there. Also this will hit the poor far more than the wealthy (they'll just get in their car and drive a mile to avoid the tax). It on the surface appears to be an almost hilariously bad implementation of a tax as you'll ever see.
It's already a marketing tool:
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:52 am
by Moliere
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:16 pm
by Max Peck
Such scamps...
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:17 pm
by Brian
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:26 pm
by Max Peck
Brian wrote:
Some tasty schadenfreude there, if this is legit.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:34 pm
by Skinypupy
I'm guessing that this exact scenario is being played out more often than we'd care to admit these days.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:35 pm
by RunningMn9
There is no way that's real.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:37 pm
by Skinypupy
RunningMn9 wrote:There is no way that's real.
Why not? Look at the approval percentages when people are asked about ACA vs Obamacare.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:29 pm
by RunningMn9
Because it just can't be. You can't be buying insurance through the ACA while thinking that it's different than "Obamacare". I don't accept that that is possible.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:37 pm
by Skinypupy
RunningMn9 wrote:Because it just can't be. You can't be buying insurance through the ACA while thinking that it's different than "Obamacare". I don't accept that that is possible.
I think you severely underestimate the stupidity of Joe Public.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:41 pm
by Max Peck
I'm with RM9. It's funny as hell, but too good to be true (although it does capture the essential truth of people voting against their own interests because they swallow the party propaganda hook, line and sinker). Barring evidence to the contrary, my money is on hilarious hoax.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:53 pm
by Kraken
Max Peck wrote:I'm with RM9. It's funny as hell, but too good to be true (although it does capture the essential truth of people voting against their own interests because they swallow the party propaganda hook, line and sinker). Barring evidence to the contrary, my money is on hilarious hoax.
In a world where someone can carry a "Keep govt out of my Medicare" sign, anything is possible. Morans are out there. Although that exchange does look suspiciously pat.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:03 am
by LordMortis
RunningMn9 wrote:Because it just can't be. You can't be buying insurance through the ACA while thinking that it's different than "Obamacare". I don't accept that that is possible.
After watching PBS newshour last night, I don't believe you are correct. They had a series of interviews with people on interviews clamoring to get on the exchanges in a panic to get their benefits for 2017 before Obamacare gets the screws put to it who were all concurrently railing on how Obamacare needs to be repealed as the first priority.
I couldn't even follow their trains of thought. The disjunct was so extreme I couldn't process it fast enough to keep up with what they were actually saying.
I can't speak for the truth of the picture. Only the plausibility.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:57 am
by Smoove_B
LordMortis wrote:I can't speak for the truth of the picture. Only the plausibility.
I was looking for the article, but I can't find it. I believe it was from 2015 and it was a series of interviews with people in a few of the southern states that were talking about how their state-sponsored health care plan saved their life but that they hated (with all of their heart) Obamacare. Of course they didn't realize in any capacity that the Affordable Care Act was providing them with health care (through their state-sponsored plan) so of course they looked stupid. I found it to be a depressing take on the situation and a PR failure - but the partisanship of the issue cannot be denied.
What confuses me even more are the people that are currently receiving ACA-related benefits and voted for
Trump because they don't think he really means to repeal the ACA or won't be able to do it:
I heard from Obamacare enrollment counselors who had seen this confusion play out firsthand, too. “When we’re approaching people about getting signed up on health care, one of the first questions they have is, ‘Is this Obamacare?’” says Michael Wynn, one of Oller’s co-workers. “So we would tell them, ‘No, this is not Obamacare. This is a state-run plan.’”
This was a story I heard a lot, but it was not the one that fit the Obamacare enrollees I met. All but one knew full well that the coverage was part of Obamacare. They voted for Trump because they were concerned about other issues — and just couldn’t fathom the idea that this new coverage would be taken away from them.
“I guess I thought that, you know, he would not do this, he would not take health insurance away knowing it would affect so many peoples lives,” says Debbie Mills, an Obamacare enrollee who supported Trump. “I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot pay for insurance?”
Having a situation where you've potentially made a large number of people vote against their own interest? That's impressive. Also, horrifying.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:32 am
by Smoove_B
On topic:

Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:53 pm
by Skinypupy
Smoove_B wrote:On topic:

He doubled down this morning, vowing to block any "deranged liberals" who told him they were the same thing.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:26 pm
by Jag
Brandenberg Gate in Germany. Then and now
It was lit up in memorial from the latest terror attack.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:23 pm
by malchior
Skinypupy wrote:
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. I like he is complaining about fending off a horde of liberals. A quick google search would illuminate your life buck-o.
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:00 am
by Max Peck
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:50 pm
by Defiant
Re: Pictures and Videos for R&P
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:04 pm
by LordMortis
From
who to
why won't this go away? in space of a month or two. Does this make her a meme?
