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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:10 am
by malchior
I saw my first Clinton ad last night during the Convention. I don't watch much traditional tv so just haven't seen any. I thought the ad with children watching Drumpf saying outrageous things was pretty effective. That said it was repeated several times, I would have expected to see more message diversity at this stage.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:11 am
by Isgrimnur
Gotta save the ad production money for the late game. We've got 3.5 months left. Spending money on people watching the Republican convention isn't exactly playing to undecideds.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:14 am
by Isgrimnur
The Week
It apparently takes people over half a century before they begin to care about the Democratic or Republican National Conventions — or at least about watching them on TV. Nielsen numbers show that for night one of the Republican Convention this year, 14 million of the 23 million people who tuned in were older than the age of 55.
Historically, this trend tends to be true, with most of the viewers of the last three conventions belonging to the 55+ crowd. The numbers came close to being even at the 2012 Democratic convention, when 50 percent of the audience was 55 or older, The Washington Post reports. One exception to the norm was 2008, when Barack Obama accepted his party's nomination; 57 percent of the audience watching was under 55 that year.
Regardless of the numbers tending to skew older, Americans typically love their convention coverage — a report in 2012 found that about two-thirds of Americans watched at least part of the 2008 convention, rivaling Olympic coverage. "It really is a nonsense argument to say no one watches the conventions," University of Oklahoma professor Jill Edy told USA Today. "People who are politically interested already — for them, this is appointment television."
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:16 am
by Isgrimnur
Reuters has a
large article on what few undecideds there are.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:44 am
by Blackhawk
Isgrimnur wrote:
I get their point, but I'm not sure how much relevance I'd give age divisions from traditional TV in the age of the internet.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:51 am
by Smoove_B
Isgrimnur wrote:Reuters has a
large article on what few undecideds there are.
Thanks for posting that because I cannot for the life of me understand the undecided. I can understand "disgusted and not voting" but undecided? It boggles the mind. This quote from one of them, however is very telling:
League’s biggest concerns are immigration reform and national security,
Dude has 3 kids under the age of 6 (well, one yet to be born) and his biggest concerns are immigration and national security?
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:27 am
by malchior
Smoove_B wrote:Dude has 3 kids under the age of 6 (well, one yet to be born) and his biggest concerns are immigration and national security?
Immigrants are like carnies. They are here to steal your children in the night and raise them as one of their own.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:37 am
by Isgrimnur
A colleague mentioned illegal immigration to me today. I countered by asking how much impact it had on his daily life, and he was honest enough to admit that it was none at all. He countered by saying it still wasn't something that should be ignored. I advised him that it was not the position I was taking.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:41 am
by Kraken
Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:06 pm
by Defiant
Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:58 pm
by Kraken
Defiant wrote:Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.
So none recently, but it would hardly be ground-breaking. I wonder why it went out of fashion. Seems like a logical convention function.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:09 pm
by Defiant
Kraken wrote:Defiant wrote:Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.
So none recently, but it would hardly be ground-breaking. I wonder why it went out of fashion. Seems like a logical convention function.
A few thoughts come to mind:
1. It might be released beforehand to try to lengthen the media attention (Announcements before the conventions were generally 2-14 days before the convention). OTOH, it would be kind of awkward to release it during (or right before) the other party's convention.
2. It might be harder to keep it a secret nowadays?
3. A few of the ones above occurred when it wasn't 110% clear who the nominee would be (I'm thinking R64, D72, R76)
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:40 pm
by Jaymann
If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now. Since Drumpf has no actual content, let him keep screaming to his heart's content. If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:59 pm
by RunningMn9
Jaymann wrote:If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now.
For the love of all that is holy, Strident Hillary needs to stay away from the convention at all costs. If that ack-Ack Mars Attack speaking cadence shows up, I will lose all hope.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:21 pm
by YellowKing
RunningMn9 wrote: If that ack-Ack Mars Attack speaking cadence shows up, I will lose all hope.
I LOLed. Damn if that doesn't fit her to a tee.
I watched a bit of the RNC out of morbid curiosity, but I'm not sure I can watch any of the DNC.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:24 pm
by Kraken
Jaymann wrote: If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.
In any debate(s), they will be talking past one another. She will destroy him with reason and facts and he will destroy her with ridicule and accusations, and each side will congratulate itself on its great victory. They just don't speak a common political language.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:32 pm
by El Guapo
Word is that Kaine will be the VP pick.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:44 pm
by hepcat
Trump just announced he'll be picking a second VP. He really hates it when others get media attention.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:44 pm
by Isgrimnur
El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kaine will be the VP pick.
Hello, my friend. Stay awhile and listen...
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:50 pm
by Smoove_B
I bet YK will be thrilled.
Don't blame it on me.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:51 pm
by Ralph-Wiggum
El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:57 pm
by El Guapo
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

He could probably swing some Trump voters.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:54 pm
by LordMortis
Jaymann wrote:If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now. Since Drumpf has no actual content, let him keep screaming to his heart's content. If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/politics/ ... index.html
It's called #TrumpYourself, and after Clinton announced its launch over Twitter on Thursday morning, her followers went to town.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:00 pm
by Moliere
My latest Google search: "who is tim kaine"

Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:56 pm
by Max Peck
So it's officially official, I guess?
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:01 pm
by PLW
Yep.. She tweeted it out a few hours ago.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:03 pm
by Kraken
I haven't read up on him yet. First impression is that she doubled down on her own boring safe establishment vibe, making this election a clear referendum on the status quo.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:45 am
by tgb
Max Peck wrote:So it's officially official, I guess?
Did he sleep in those clothes? He looks like he's just coming off a 3-day bender. That may not necessarily be a bad thing, however.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:56 am
by Rip
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:09 am
by Defiant
Rip wrote:It isn't a good excuse but I do have to acknowledge how far behind some government IT systems are.
Want to launch a nuclear missile? You'll need a floppy disk.
That's according to a new report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), which found that the Pentagon was still using 1970s-era computing systems that require "eight-inch floppy disks."
Yes, floppy disks are still used at our nuclear bases—but there’s a good reason
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:25 am
by YellowKing
From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:43 am
by Defiant
From what little I've read, he seems to meet my top three priorities when it comes to Veep pick:
1. Qualified
2. Capable
3. Qualified and Capable
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:09 pm
by Max Peck
From
what I just read this morning, Kaine almost seems like an anti-Trump, although he's much
more likely to appeal to moderates than progressives.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:19 pm
by tgb
If he can pull in enough anti-Trump voters, that works for me.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:35 pm
by Captain Caveman
YellowKing wrote:From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.
Just saw his speech. I wasn't a huge fan of the pick when I heard about it last night but he more than won me over. Seems like a genuinely warm and decent fellow with a strong record of civil rights. He isn't flashy in the least, which is actually really refreshing in this election. All in all, his speech made me a bit more optimistic after Thursday night's nightmare fuel.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:57 pm
by Alefroth
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:36 pm
by NickAragua
El Guapo wrote:Ralph-Wiggum wrote:El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

He could probably swing some Trump voters.
Tiberium FTW.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:54 pm
by Blackhawk
He'll make NOD great again!
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:26 pm
by Alefroth
Captain Caveman wrote:YellowKing wrote:From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.
Just saw his speech. I wasn't a huge fan of the pick when I heard about it last night but he more than won me over. Seems like a genuinely warm and decent fellow with a strong record of civil rights. He isn't flashy in the least, which is actually really refreshing in this election. All in all, his speech made me a bit more optimistic after Thursday night's nightmare fuel.
I just watched it too, that was a pretty incredible speech. I'm curious to see how Trump will attack him. The only angle I can see is the 'He's coming for your guns' nonsense.
Re: The Hillary Clinton thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:59 pm
by hepcat
Trump tweet
Kaine speech a total snooze fest. Didn't mention size of penis once. Mine bigger!!!