Octopus Overlords

Tacit? Pretty explicit at this point.

Mafia gonna mafia.

I wonder how long we have until Trump gives Barron a box of matches and sends him to the Reichstag.

Max Peck wrote:Ready for some Freikorps action on the streets?

Trump Warns Antifa: Other Side Is ‘Tougher Than Them,’ And Full of Military and Police

President Trump warned that a coalition of police and military members may mobilize against antifascist protestors.

“They better hope that the opposition to Antifa decides not to mobilize,” Trump told The Daily Caller on Wednesday. “Because if you look, the other side, it’s the military. It’s the police. It’s a lot of very strong, a lot of very tough people. Tougher than them. And smarter than them.”

In the past, white nationalists and other far-right activists have brawled with Antifa members at Trump rallies—resulting in arrests and hospitalizations. But Trump warned that growing opposition to Antifa will be “much stronger” and “potentially much more violent” than the leftist activists.

They should have some kind of outfit or uniform to distinguish themselves from the leftist agitators. Like a brown colored shirt with polished black boots or something. And an armband. And a special salute.

Would circle-jerking be involved in any capacity?

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:42 pm Would circle-jerking be involved in any capacity?

Great. More jobs drumpf is taking away from us here on OO.

$iljanus wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:08 pm They should have some kind of outfit or uniform to distinguish themselves from the leftist agitators. Like a brown colored shirt with polished black boots or something. And an armband. And a special salute.

You know, I half suspect that someone, possibly Bannon before the falling out, told drumpf that he is completely free to follow in the nazis footsteps, because any time someone calls him out for doing nazi-like things, there is immediate backlash. Godwin is your best friend, mr. drumpf. It's like a pre-existing cultural defense when anyone calls someone a nazi. Create brownshirted "private" citizens to keep the peace and then someone calls them "brownshirts" and there you go. 3/4 of the country will say the person is crazy and dismiss them out of ahnd because there can only be 1 hitler, ever.

You're gold, mr prez. Next up? Trains and your enemies: What you should know.

Smoove_B wrote:Would circle-jerking be involved in any capacity?

Well as long as one hand is free to give the Sieg Heil, umm, whatever salute they happen to use then a circle jerk is certainly not out of the question.

Edit: oh wait, is it the Antifa folks who are the circle jerkers? I think I remember a thread that mentioned this. I can't keep up with who's jerking off whom.

$iljanus wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:00 pm

Smoove_B wrote:Would circle-jerking be involved in any capacity?

Well as long as one hand is free to...

OK, so non-competitive circle-jerking then.

$iljanus wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:00 pmEdit: oh wait, is it the Antifa folks who are the circle jerkers? I think I remember a thread that mentioned this. I can't keep up with who's jerking off whom.

No, we are.

Damn it. I'm out of cereal and was going to stop and get some after work, but I don't have my ID with me.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:36 pm

$iljanus wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:00 pmEdit: oh wait, is it the Antifa folks who are the circle jerkers? I think I remember a thread that mentioned this. I can't keep up with who's jerking off whom.

No, we are.

Ahh yes that’s the thread. Good times! And I threw in a brownshirt reference too just like he predicted. I wonder if I throw in a third trigger, he’ll show up like the Candyman. A white Candyman, of course.

hepcat wrote:Damn it. I'm out of cereal and was going to stop and get some after work, but I don't have my ID with me.

"Sir, aren't you a little *old* to be buying Cookie Crisp? I'm afraid I'm going to have to see your ID."

YellowKing wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:53 pm

hepcat wrote:Damn it. I'm out of cereal and was going to stop and get some after work, but I don't have my ID with me.

"Sir, aren't you a little *old* to be buying Cookie Crisp? I'm afraid I'm going to have to see your ID."

You mock but do you really want to live in a world where hooligans make a run on all the sugary cereals leaving only the high fiber cereals on the shelf? Do you? My colon can take only so much fiber!

Trumps a little tweety bird. tweet tweet there a tweet here a tweet tweet tweet

Daehawk wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:55 pm Trumps a little tweety bird. tweet tweet there a tweet here a tweet tweet tweet

Ol' MacDonald would like to have a word with you back behind the barn.

$iljanus wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:49 pm Ahh yes that’s the thread. Good times! And I threw in a brownshirt reference too just like he predicted.

If you read what he wrote a little closer, you'll see that he's calling all of us brownshirts, not that we're going to make accusations about other people being brownshirts. Because you know, dogpiling onto an unpopular viewpoint is absolutely how the nazis got started.

Unagi wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:58 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:55 pm Trumps a little tweety bird. tweet tweet there a tweet here a tweet tweet tweet

Ol' MacDonald would like to have a word with you back behind the barn.

This is for the missing tgb

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/15/us/man-y ... index.html

Trump supporter yells 'Heil Hitler!' during a performance of 'Fiddler on the Roof'

Sad. A man in the balcony of tonight’s performance of Fiddler in Baltimore stands up during intermission and yells, “Heil Hitler,” along with several pro-Trump references. Sick, sick, world!

"I initially could not make out what the man was saying, but as more people exited the main theater I could clearly see him making a Hitler salute and yelling 'Heil Hitler!' " Verma told CNN. "Everyone around me appeared quite shaken by the experience, and some people were in tears."
Another audience member, Heather O'Hare, said everyone was shuffling and getting up to go to the restroom during the intermission when she heard the disturbance.
"People in the front orchestra seats started to turn and look up at the balcony, and someone started shouting back: 'Go Home, Nazi!' " she said.

hepcat wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:46 pm Damn it. I'm out of cereal and was going to stop and get some after work, but I don't have my ID with me.

I stopped and got you some on my way home, I'll send my driver over with it in the morning. Don't worry about the money, I got it on sale for $30.

Daehawk wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:38 pm https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/15/us/man-y ... index.html

Trump supporter yells 'Heil Hitler!' during a performance of 'Fiddler on the Roof'

Someone should get him a ticket to The Producers. He'll love that.

He apparently told police he was a Trump hater, not a supporter.

Judge hands CNN victory in its bid to restore Jim Acosta’s White House press pass

In a victory for the cable network and for press access generally, Judge Timothy J. Kelly granted CNN’s motion for a temporary restraining order that will prevent the administration from keeping Acosta off White House grounds.

The thought of that blood clot slipping a little warms my heart.

How soon until drumpf calls into question the impartiality of the judge?

More so, I mean.

edit: Omfg, he's a drumpf appointee? This just keeps getting better and better. Normally I assume due diligence when making appointments, so I don't even pay attention to who made the appointment. Since drumpf is constantly undermining anyone who didn't come into power under his guidance, this is too sweet.

edit: Separately, this is also good for the protection of Free Speech and free press. I guess that's important too.

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:11 pm The thought of that blood clot slipping a little warms my heart.

How soon until drumpf calls into question the impartiality of the judge?

More so, I mean.

edit: Omfg, he's a drumpf appointee? This just keeps getting better and better. Normally I assume due diligence when making appointments, so I don't even pay attention to who made the appointment. Since drumpf is constantly undermining anyone who didn't come into power under his guidance, this is too sweet.

edit: Separately, this is also good for the protection of Free Speech and free press. I guess that's important too.

Honestly, I don't think any of the sub-SCOTUS nominees in the administration were scrubbed for loyalty to Trump. My understanding is that they were all scrubbed by the Federalist Society and people aligned with it, so were scrubbed mainly for loyalty to conservative beliefs. And this doesn't really concern core conservative movement beliefs (low taxes and regulations). Plus you have Fox News aligned with the plaintiffs. So (without knowing the relevant legal principles here well) this doesn't seem shocking to me.

My impression is that the judge ruled on the basis of the lack of due process (the 5th amendment angle) rather than anything to do with free speech per se.

I don't know if it was part of his ruling, but I read that his comments included a statement there is no 1A right for reporters to be permitted to the WH, but once the WH admits them, it has to do so in accordance with 1A principles (in other words, there has to be an objective test for exclusion). Since there's no apparent test administered here, that's why 5A due process rights are involved. That seems about right to me.

He also cast aspersions on the WH's changing reasons for revoking the credentials (first because he assaulted the intern, then because he was hogging the mic), and he also commented on the dubious nature of the video the WH used to support the initial assault allegation.

ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:43 pm (in other words, there has to be an objective test for exclusion). Since there's no apparent test administered here, that's why 5A due process rights are involved. That seems about right to me.

The objective test is easy.

1) Do you support and obey me without question?
2) Will you publish only positive information and facts with regard me? Positive being defined by me on a case by case basis.

Failure to meet both criteria is a failure of the test.

Shrug. I'm confident that drumpf doesn't understand anything but that he's not allowed to kick Acosta out. Even with the "yet" involved, I'll happily imagine him sputtering ineffectually.

I'll just point out that having a stay is still a free speech win, as there have been plenty of times where a judge has let the restriction stand while everything gets sorted out. It's not the war, but it's the first battle, and the free speech side won.

Technically this is a grant of a request for a temporary injunction, and so not a final ruling, right? Though it seems unlikely that the judge will feel differently at a final ruling stage, I imagine.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:15 pm Technically this is a grant of a request for a temporary injunction, and so not a final ruling, right?

That's what these guys are saying. I haven't read the details myself, only what's been posted here.

It's certainly possible that he'll rule in favour of CNN while providing the WH with a road map on how to do it legally *next time*, at which point Acosta will be lured into a trap presumably. Of course it will be a trap set by 5 year olds, so he can probably handle it.

Or they'll just make more effective lies.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:15 pm Technically this is a grant of a request for a temporary injunction, and so not a final ruling, right? Though it seems unlikely that the judge will feel differently at a final ruling stage, I imagine.

Yes to everything. This is pretty much what I thought would happen when the news of the suit first happened, and I can't imagine a final ruling would be different based on the facts here. If the WH were smart (hah!), they would just give Acosta back his credentials and never call on him. (FWIW, although CNN is owned by AT&T, I'm in no way involved with this particular litigation.)

they would just give Acosta back his credentials and never call on him.

You'd think that's how it would have played out in the first place and if they were ever called on it be up front. Acosta won't give up the mic once it's in his hands. These meetings a brief and I'm not going to play his game.

LordMortis wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:17 pm

they would just give Acosta back his credentials and never call on him.

You'd think that's how it would have played out in the first place and if they were ever called on it be up front. Acosta won't give up the mic once it's in his hands. These meetings a brief and I'm not going to play his game.

Trump would never be able to crow about 'winning' if he simply took a passive action like not calling on Acosta. Trump has to let everyone see the winning overtly.

Trump entire life is essentially Pee Wee Herman letting the audience know that he "meant to do that" whenever something doesn't go his way.

hepcat wrote:Trump entire life is essentially Pee Wee Herman letting the audience know that he "meant to do that" whenever something doesn't go his way.

"I know you are but what am I?"

OMG....it all makes sense now...

LordMortis wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:17 pm

they would just give Acosta back his credentials and never call on him.

You'd think that's how it would have played out in the first place and if they were ever called on it be up front. Acosta won't give up the mic once it's in his hands. These meetings a brief and I'm not going to play his game.

If that happened, I would expect, eventually, that every member of the WH press corps would just hand the mic to Acosta when drumpf called on anyone. I think they're pretty unified and they know it's a "first they came for the Acosta, and I did not speak out" situation.

I'd like to believe that, and given how the corps banded together when Obama's WH and Fox News got into it several times.

A Treasury Department spokesman described the dispute as a miscommunication – “much ado about absolutely nothing” – that ended with Fox News interviewing Feinberg on camera for the Oct. 22, 2009, nightly news. Fox News reported that the administration “failed in its attempt to exclude Fox News” only after “the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.”

Fox did a bunch of things to reduce Obama's reach to Fox's audience, including not bothering to broadcast his healthcare address to congress. The WH did a few things in retaliation, most of which were peanuts comparatively. Still Obama's administration took several steps to reduce Fox's access.

Chris Wallace wrote: They are the biggest bunch of crybabies I have dealt with in my 30 years in Washington

I'm quite sure he totally still feels that way, absolutely. No bigger crybabies than Obama's Admin.

Anita Dunn wrote: We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent,” Dunn told the Times. “As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”

She also said, when asked about snubbing “Fox News Sunday” with Chris Wallace, “we’re not going to legitimize them as a news organization.”

So yeah, lots of back and forth there.

The Justice Dept. went after a Fox journalist as "co-conspirator" regarding leaks, and many news organizations protested through editorials etc. Several government employees and contractors were charged, but I think the journalist had nothing happen. The Justice Dept. revised its standards on subpeonaing reporters.

My point was mostly that the media (even the MSM, omgwtfbbq?!) defended Fox when they got into it with Obama and Co. I would like to think Fox would do the same in return, and they said they were going to file an amicus brief in support of the CNN lawsuit, so that's something.

Chris Wallace wrote: Fox News supports CNN in its legal effort to regain its White House reporter's press credential," Wallace said. "We intend to file an amicus brief with the U.S. District Court."
Wallace added, "While we don't condone the growing antagonistic tone by both the President and the press at recent media avails, we do support a free press, access and open exchanges for the American people."

So...not biggest crybabies, don't forget both sides, but yeah, I guess, if we have to, we *mumble* support *mumble* CNN in this.

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:18 pm

LordMortis wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:17 pm

they would just give Acosta back his credentials and never call on him.

You'd think that's how it would have played out in the first place and if they were ever called on it be up front. Acosta won't give up the mic once it's in his hands. These meetings a brief and I'm not going to play his game.

Trump would never be able to crow about 'winning' if he simply took a passive action like not calling on Acosta. Trump has to let everyone see the winning overtly.

Right. It's not like journalists are allotted regular turns. Trump calls on Acosta intentionally so that he can belittle CNN, generating MAGA cred with his base.

Acosta and Trump are playing different games: journalism vs demagoguery.

Holman wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:08 pm Trump calls on Acosta intentionally so that he can belittle CNN, generating MAGA cred with his base.

Oh sure, blame the victim.

An update on the current state of affairs:

“We’re talking about border wall, we’re talking about quite a big sum of money, about $5 billion,” the president told reporters Saturday before leaving the White House for a trip to California.

“This would be a very good time to do a shutdown.

Threatening shutdowns in a Republican controlled Congress? But this one is my favorite:

I don’t think it’s going to be necessary, because I think the Democrats will come to their senses, and if they don’t come to their senses, we will continue to win elections,” he added.