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GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.

Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.

Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

Nixon

Nixon's Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman, wrote that Nixon had confided to him:

I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I've reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We'll just slip the word to them that, "for God's sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can't restrain him when he's angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button" and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.

In October 1969, the Nixon administration indicated to the Soviet Union that "the madman was loose" when the United States military was ordered to full global war readiness alert (unbeknownst to the majority of the American population), and bombers armed with thermonuclear weapons flew patterns near the Soviet border for three consecutive days.

The administration employed the "madman strategy" to force the North Vietnamese government to negotiate an end to the Vietnam War. In July 1969, according to a recently-declassified CIA report, President Nixon may have suggested to South Vietnamese President Thieu that the two paths he was considering were either a nuclear weapons option or setting up a coalition government.

Along the same lines, American diplomats, especially Henry Kissinger, portrayed the 1970 incursion into Cambodia as a symptom of Nixon's supposed instability.

Trump

The theory is believed by some to be a strategy used by U.S. President Donald Trump in dealing with both allied and hostile nations. Jonathan Stevenson argues Trump's strategy may be even less effective than Nixon's because Nixon tried to give the impression that "he'd been pushed too far, implying that he would return to his senses if the Soviets and North Vietnamese gave in." Whereas the North Korean government is unlikely to believe that "Trump would do the same" because his threats are "standard operating procedure", not a temporary emotional reaction.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:12 pm Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to trigger you. My comment was actually tongue in cheek (what a weird saying), but I guess I did a poor job of conveying it. Or I should have used a rolly eye emoji after it.

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.

Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

LordMortis wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm I'm sad for many around me and blame ZCorn.)

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:29 pm You should try drops of greengoo.

It's very liberating.

I literally cannot tell if either/both/neither is engaging in satire.

My sympathies to both in any case. Believe it or not I despise conflict.

Z-Corn wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm I'm sad for many around me and blame ZCorn.)

I know you want to keep up with your shtick, and you'd like to get a rise out of me. If I had ONE MORE drop of GreenGoo in me I'd say, "Fuck you."

But sadly I don't. So I won't.

I will point out for you again I live in Kent County. Not Ottawa County. Your beef is with Ottawa County so how about you keep my name out of your mouth, OK buddy?

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:14 pm I'm kind of hoping he's mentally unraveling as the mounting evidence suggests he's in deep shit and the walls are closing in. Alternatively, I'm more afraid that he's not actually begun to lose it and this is just him operating under his assumptions that everything is super. If that's the case, I'm not sure we'll collectively survive him melting down.

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:29 pm You should try drops of greengoo.

It's very liberating.

I literally cannot tell if either/both/neither is engaging in satire.

My sympathies to both in any case. Believe it or not I despise conflict.

Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 am

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?

Yes. That was for effect. I'm glad you took it that way.

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:54 am

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

Dude, if that's what you're upset about, you need to step away for a bit.

Or maybe this is all performance art?

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 am

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?

Yes. That was for effect. I'm glad you took it that way.

The effect was to make you look bad. I'm glad that's what you were going for?

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:27 am Like I said, everybody gets mad when you smack the developmentally disabled kid.

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.

Combustible Lemur wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:52 am Am I the only one offended for the equating of LM with a special needs kid incapable of self responsibility? FOR SHAME!

Remus West wrote:

Combustible Lemur wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:52 am Am I the only one offended for the equating of LM with a special needs kid incapable of self responsibility? FOR SHAME!

No, you are not, but since I know LM is much smarter than I am and I am no where close to special needs mentality I figure that one will roll right off him and let it go.

Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:58 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.

Hey! West Michigan is a beautiful area. The lake shore is absolutely majestic. Living in South Carolina shouldn't throw stones. West Michigan may have given Devos to the world (sorry already, geez. Trust me I regret that family much more than you) but S.C. gave us Graham among other things so I think we are even.

Unagi nailed it in saying LM was just playing with someone he thought would play back. You, on the other hand, just come across as someone misdirecting their anger from this whole thing. Whatever has you that upset take a deep breath and let go of the anger so you can focus on a better solution than this.

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:04 am

Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:58 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.

Hey! West Michigan is a beautiful area. The lake shore is absolutely majestic. Living in South Carolina shouldn't throw stones. West Michigan may have given Devos to the world (sorry already, geez. Trust me I regret that family much more than you) but S.C. gave us Graham among other things so I think we are even.

Unagi nailed it in saying LM was just playing with someone he thought would play back. You, on the other hand, just come across as someone misdirecting their anger from this whole thing. Whatever has you that upset take a deep breath and let go of the anger so you can focus on a better solution than this.

No anger at all - I was laughing as I typed it. Poking the bee's nest. You really shouldn't shout out your insecurities in this forum.

And I lived in South Bend - I know all about West MI. It has it's moments, but it's not for me.

Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:35 am No worries (or real anger - thus the smiley). IIRC you assisted me in tossing Chaosraven out an airlock playing BSG at Octocon so you have a TON of good will you can burn through.