The Apprentice Season 2 - The Second Presidency of Donald Trump

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:53 am

RunningMn9 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:35 am
Unagi wrote:To say he is simply an old man with dementia on social media posting insane things is, obviously, not the full story here.

He's the Executive Branch with the other two branches leaving him unchecked. This is not just Grampa Simpson.
Even as the Executive Branch, he says a lot of insane things that turn into nothing. I was just suggesting that for personal mental health reasons, it might help to react to the attempt to rescind pardons that cannot be rescinded, rather than a truth social railing about how he wants to do it.

Whether or not a previously granted pardon can be de-pardoned is a matter for the Judicial branch, not truth social posts.

His angle isn’t that they can be un-pardoned, it’s that the pardon was never done “by Biden” so it didn’t even happen.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:37 am

Holman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:13 am He's trying to shift the media narrative away from the fact that he blatantly violated a court order this weekend.

(A judge ordered the administration to turn in-the-air migrant deportation flights around and return them to the USA. They continued on to El Salvador anyway, with the administration actually claiming that the order didn't apply because the planes were over international waters.)

Two of them.

The camel is fully loaded. Trump is walking up with one more straw. Now we get to see if he's allowed to break the camel's back. If it breaks, it may be gone forever.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:07 pm

Unagi wrote:His angle isn’t that they can be un-pardoned, it’s that the pardon was never done “by Biden” so it didn’t even happen.

Who cares what his angle is? We can’t stop him from thinking about whatever dumb shit enters his stupid pudding brain. That he has an angle doesn’t make it any more likely that it’s true.

Everything he says is going to be enraging. It’s designed to be enraging. Save yourself man.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:42 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:37 am The camel is fully loaded. Trump is walking up with one more straw. Now we get to see if he's allowed to break the camel's back. If it breaks, it may be gone forever.

Honestly, this is what I'm completely focused on. If he's able to openly defy a federal judge (twice?) with zero consequences? Then shut off the lights, we're done; nothing else matters. Not Chuck Schumer's new (cancelled) book tour. Not the abolishment of the Department of Education or the dismantling of public health. We're done.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:24 pm

Regarding autopen, I think it's a reflection of him, as I then start to wonder just how many of Trump's orders have been signed using autopen seeing as it's on his mind. This is a wild take, but aside from the public signings on his inauguration day, I doubt much of anything beyond that is actually signed by him, the rest using autopen.

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:41 pm

WTF is with the DEI reporter loving "the liberal tears".

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:44 pm

Rumpy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:24 pm Regarding autopen, I think it's a reflection of him, as I then start to wonder just how many of Trump's orders have been signed using autopen seeing as it's on his mind. This is a wild take, but aside from the public signings on his inauguration day, I doubt much of anything beyond that is actually signed by him, the rest using autopen.

I'm pretty sure he didn't manually sign each of the J6 pardons.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:44 pm

Biden can pardon people with his mind.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:03 pm

The article I read earlier stated that every President since Jefferson has used some form of mechanical apparatus for signing.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:08 pm

Which makes it only odder that Trump is pointing fingers and making an issue out of it.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:24 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:07 pm
Unagi wrote:His angle isn’t that they can be un-pardoned, it’s that the pardon was never done “by Biden” so it didn’t even happen.
Who cares what his angle is? We can’t stop him from thinking about whatever dumb shit enters his stupid pudding brain. That he has an angle doesn’t make it any more likely that it’s true.

Everything he says is going to be enraging. It’s designed to be enraging. Save yourself man.

What has he done that at one point wasn't just an enraging proposition?

Blanket tariffs
Pardonong all J6ers.
Deport Venezuelans to private prisons in El Salvador
Defy federal judges
Defy Congress
Create DOGE
Appoint [x] to [y]
...

He's telegraphed all these things and then followed through. All just as improbable at one time as revoking pardons. The fact that some of his outlandish promises haven't happened yet doesn't mean that none have. Or will.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:25 pm

Rumpy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:08 pm Which makes it only odder that Trump is pointing fingers and making an issue out of it.

No, it makes it fitting to the pattern and unsurprising. He's now creating his own reality and we are buying it.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:33 pm

Sometimes I feel like his tweets (I won't attribute 'truths' to him) and comments are intended to test the waters. If the idea gets approval from the masses when it's nothing but a random thought, he considers following up. And, sometimes, it catches on and people actually demand it of him. Hell, sometimes various state and federal politicians get caught up and do the dirty work for him.

But if there's a lukewarm reception, he can just let it pass as one of his 'rants.'

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:40 pm

At the very worst, there are some uncomfortable GOP fudds but no real repercussions to anything he says. There is no harm so why not float everything?

Which puts the opposition in an untenable situation:
Either ignore it because it's nonsense and allow it to percolate, or fight it and get called out for taking the bait.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:09 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:03 pm The article I read earlier stated that every President since Jefferson has used some form of mechanical apparatus for signing.

He's claiming it wasn't Biden that used the mechanical apparatus for signing.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:12 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:42 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:37 am The camel is fully loaded. Trump is walking up with one more straw. Now we get to see if he's allowed to break the camel's back. If it breaks, it may be gone forever.

Honestly, this is what I'm completely focused on. If he's able to openly defy a federal judge (twice?) with zero consequences? Then shut off the lights, we're done; nothing else matters. Not Chuck Schumer's new (cancelled) book tour. Not the abolishment of the Department of Education or the dismantling of public health. We're done.

Yep, we crossed a very significant red line the last few days. Trump admin is now claiming they have the right without any due process to send anyone they deem fit on a plane and disappear them in private slave labor prisons in countries run by authoritarian governments. There is no longer a hypothetical argument to have, we are living in hell. 5pm hearing on this tonight will be further bread crumbs of just how f'd we are. It is amazing to live in times when something like shuttering the Wilson Center/Kennan Institute or turning off VOA is only registering like a 5 out of 10 scale in the current craziness. Meanwhile, everyone knows something in their fields going on that is absolutely bonkers (hello Smoove). A good friend who works in water is looking the death of the water quality 85-86 regs and a future wave of blue babies and is like meh not much to be freaked out about when comparing to nuclear war and loss of fundamental liberty.

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:48 pm

Look at the crowd numbers Bernie and AOC is getting. Look at the republicans supporting they don’t want this at town halls.

There is a bipartisan thirst for fighting this. The Democrat leadership are not picking their moment. It’s very frustrating.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:50 pm

waitingtoconnect wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:48 pm Look at the crowd numbers Bernie and AOC is getting. There is a thirst for fighting this. The Democrat leadership are not picking their moment. It’s very frustrating.

I'm told the energy at the Bernie crowds is amazing and people who entered with little energy and hope leave with a lot of it. Makes me wish I knew he was coming and that I would have made an effort to go.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:27 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:What has he done that at one point wasn't just an enraging proposition?

Brah. He’s made literally thousands of claims about stuff that was insane, which turned into nothing.

You can say “so far”, but Canada isn’t going to be the 51st state. Greenland isn’t going to invaded. We’re going to have the best economy in history if we elect him.

Maybe he will try to unpardon people, maybe he won’t. But he won’t succeed in unpardoning people because there is no authority granted to a President to evaluate pardons from prior Administrations. There is no legal basis for claiming that autopens invalidate pardons. There is no Biden official blowing the whistle on Sleepy Joe not actually authorizing the pardons. He can blather on about it on Bullshit Social. His cartoonish buffoon of an AG might even try it. It will go about as far as Canada becoming the 51st state.

Or get mad about it I guess? I have no authority to stop you.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:08 pm

"There is no legal basis..."

I hear that a lot lately. Usually when they're ignoring inconvenient legal bases.

I'd add that it's not just Trump blathering randomly. This claim started with the Oversight Project, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation.

Autopen Update
We analyzed Biden's Jan. 19, 2025 "pardons" for:

-Biden Family Members
-Anthony Fauci
-General Milley
-J6 Committee
-Gerald Lundergan

They all have the same exact Biden autopen signature

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:17 pm

Well, I guess react. I dunno.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:17 pm

Autopen signatures are signatures.

If signatures are valid only if done by hand, then I never signed a mortgage. I'd like my money back.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:24 pm

Big sovereign citizen energy, if you ask me.

Regardless, he's a chaos goblin. Everything he says is true, unless it turns out it isn't. Truth doesn't matter; chaos matters. Ignore him at your own peril.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:15 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:42 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:37 am The camel is fully loaded. Trump is walking up with one more straw. Now we get to see if he's allowed to break the camel's back. If it breaks, it may be gone forever.

Honestly, this is what I'm completely focused on. If he's able to openly defy a federal judge (twice?) with zero consequences? Then shut off the lights, we're done; nothing else matters. Not Chuck Schumer's new (cancelled) book tour. Not the abolishment of the Department of Education or the dismantling of public health. We're done.

Yep. If he breaks rule of law then there is nothing left but pitchforks and guillotines.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:10 am

Good news everyone:

After a recent change by the Trump administration, the federal government no longer explicitly prohibits contractors from having segregated restaurants, waiting rooms and drinking fountains.

The segregation clause is one of several identified in a public memo issued by the General Services Administration last month, affecting all civil federal agencies. The memo explains that it is making changes prompted by President Trump's executive order on diversity, equity and inclusion, which repealed an executive order signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965 regarding federal contractors and nondiscrimination. The memo also addresses Trump's executive order on gender identity.

While there are still state and federal laws that outlaw segregation and discrimination that companies need to comply with, legal experts say this change to contracts across the federal government is significant.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:13 am

Living in a post-racism world!

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:15 am

I'm sure the excuse will be "we're just removing redundant conditions that didn't need to be explicitly defined in the first place." If you still support this administration after all this, you're a racist, plain and simple. You can sugarcoat it, you can hide behind religion, you can say you're only voting with the Rs because of certain pet issues. But at the end of the day you are a purposeful supporter of racism and by my definition, that makes you a fucking racist.

We need to bring back shame in this country, and start calling out people for what they are. I wish the media would do a better job pressing the administration on this stuff and calling them out for what they are instead of dancing around like this is somehow normal.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:17 pm

This all feels like the 1940's again.

It occurs to me that maybe the reason Trump is threatened by Canada is simply by how much more left-leaning and liberal it is and that by simply being neighbours, we're an influence and a source of news that is a threat to his plans, because noooo we can't have a left leaning Country next door giving American ideas to a better way of life, hence his annexation threats. Everyday when I see news like this, it becomes clearer to me.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:21 pm

Coming soon! remake of Mississippi Burning, but the CGI Hackman is just there to give everyone a high five!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:24 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:10 am Good news everyone:

After a recent change by the Trump administration, the federal government no longer explicitly prohibits contractors from having segregated restaurants, waiting rooms and drinking fountains.

The segregation clause is one of several identified in a public memo issued by the General Services Administration last month, affecting all civil federal agencies. The memo explains that it is making changes prompted by President Trump's executive order on diversity, equity and inclusion, which repealed an executive order signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965 regarding federal contractors and nondiscrimination. The memo also addresses Trump's executive order on gender identity.

While there are still state and federal laws that outlaw segregation and discrimination that companies need to comply with, legal experts say this change to contracts across the federal government is significant.

About time. I was tired of sharing a bathroom with all the white folks!

(If my humor made people uncomfortable, blame Trump. He makes everything uncomfortable)

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm

Seeing posts where people are saying Trump is going to label fentanyl as a Weapon of Mass Destruction on March 22nd. I would normally dismiss that as false news, but....

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:51 pm

IceBear wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm Seeing posts where people are saying Trump is going to label fentanyl as a Weapon of Mass Destruction on March 22nd. I would normally dismiss that as false news, but....

That's sounds too far fetched, but declaring fentanyl use/smuggling/etc... a national emergency so he can attempt unfettered fuckery in the name of a national emergency sounds exactly like his playbook.

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:04 pm

Rumpy wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:17 pm This all feels like the 1940's again.

It occurs to me that maybe the reason Trump is threatened by Canada is simply by how much more left-leaning and liberal it is and that by simply being neighbours, we're an influence and a source of news that is a threat to his plans, because noooo we can't have a left leaning Country next door giving American ideas to a better way of life, hence his annexation threats. Everyday when I see news like this, it becomes clearer to me.

I think it’s a Tradeau surmised. They want your delicious oil.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:18 pm

waitingtoconnect wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:04 pm
Rumpy wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:17 pm This all feels like the 1940's again.

It occurs to me that maybe the reason Trump is threatened by Canada is simply by how much more left-leaning and liberal it is and that by simply being neighbours, we're an influence and a source of news that is a threat to his plans, because noooo we can't have a left leaning Country next door giving American ideas to a better way of life, hence his annexation threats. Everyday when I see news like this, it becomes clearer to me.
I think it’s a Tradeau surmised. They want your delicious oil.

I feel it's a bit more complex than that. I mean, I'm sure the oil is part of it, as are the other natural resources and minerals.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:34 pm

IceBear wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm Seeing posts where people are saying Trump is going to label fentanyl as a Weapon of Mass Destruction on March 22nd. I would normally dismiss that as false news, but....

Looking forward to all the raids on hospitals and cancer clinics in the United States too.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:01 pm

Does he really think he's going to pull a Putin and start taking territory?

And with what army? Bonespurs-in-chief should know better than most how easy it is not to serve. Invading Canada would probably be one of the most unpopular wars in history.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:09 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:01 pm Does he really think he's going to pull a Putin and start taking territory?

And with what army? Bonespurs-in-chief should know better than most how easy it is not to serve. Invading Canada would probably be one of the most unpopular wars in history.

It would also test NATO and leave the US alone for at least the rest of my lifetime. I couldn't believe Icebear's reporting was true and now I'm left a sense of even more of the... the I don't even know what to call it... of the GOP that accepts this and then spins it. We totally fell through the looking glass while trying to show emperor orange pulpitine he has no clothes at this point. Not even two months in.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:12 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:34 pm Looking forward to all the raids on hospitals and cancer clinics in the United States too.

I just told my brother (an anesthesiologist) that I'm pretty sure this makes him a terrorist.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:19 pm

Military ops in Canada, my ass. We've repeatedly shown to only have a minuscule amount of fentanyl, and so military troops on our soil outside of joint task forces, would be war.

Meanwhile in Canada, our military has been training for conflict.

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:19 pm

Yeah, I'm terrified of the consequences if he does this. There's no reason other than to attack Canada and Mexico